Kit Green, the Alien Autopsy and the Men Who Stared at Notes

originally posted by: Blue Shift

I do like the part where the Richard Dreyfuss character pretty much bails on his wife and kids. I mean, they run away because his a bliterhing madman, but he seems okay with it, and it actually improves his mood.

One of Spielberg's greatest regrets when he became older, settled, more family-orientated and boringly 'sensible' compared to his 20s (when he arguably created his best, most enduring and iconic work), is that he allowed the Neary character to abandon his family and leave the planet. Today, he'd have Neary, his wife and all his kids (and probably relatives, too) 'walking into the light' for a proper family outing, all differences forgotten.

In other words, Spielberg would abandon realism for Disney-esque puke. Similarly, his 'sensible' self decided to CGI out the cops' guns in 'ET -The Extraterrestrial' (1982) for all future releases. Just as George Lucas's equally dull New Man persona decided that Han Solo never fired first after all in the 'Star Wars' cantina scene. John Wayne would spit in George's eye for doing that.

Leave your original work ALONE, grandpas! After all, would you draw a 'tache on the Mona Lisa?


Meanwhile, back in the birdcage...

I don’t think it matters what these government operators believe, it matters that their interest IS NOT in any kind of legitimate study of the genuine ufo mystery...Yet they have infested the field with their nefarious agendas.

Of course, they may have some interest in it as human beings but the point is these guys are on a government sinister agenda.

Understand and NEVER forget they are brainwashed in a Military/Intelligence/Complex system of Nazi-like agendas. I’m not saying their Nazis but Nazi-like, in other words, a government first and human beings last agenda.

They're programmed to deceive, lie, and worse, and don’t have any interest in objective science or seeking real knowledge.

My basic belief and I believe it’s backed up by evidence, is that the IC has deliberately flooded the American UFO experience with deliberate (and there’s no other word to describe it )BullSh_. The goal is to suppress ufo legitimate research and interest.

BTW, the interest in other countries is proof they don’t or didn’t even need to do this since ufo interest is marginal at best everywhere in the world and they are still as ignorant as we are in what UFOs are really all about.

It’s a deliberate and very successful agenda. One might think these silly movies like CETK and the other endeavors such as Star Trek, Star Wars, the X-files and all the other UFO/alien entertainment films, TV and movies might be examples of something that is counterintuitive to this notion I put forth, but if you think deeper one can easily see that these entertainment-based vehicles are in-fact confusing the matter.

That and along with the long years of the infiltration by the IC of the ufo community with their disinformation programs is clearly demonstrating that what they're doing is clouding the issue by flooding it with noxious fumes of intellectual confusion.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Would you believe that a Spielberg funded the autopsy footage?

Not the one most know and love of course, Volker Spielberg to be more precise.

Volker;

I want to be left alone. I'm a collector, I want to be out, and I want to have no contact with nobody regarding this matter because this is my personal thing....Simply I'm not interested. You see, the whole matter is of no interest to me, I have made up my mind. I have my belief and that's it. And I got what I want. I'm happy and that's it." "What have I to do with this?

As to my knowledge, I'll keep all the cans, yes, as to my knowledge, that's all I can tell you. Well, as to my knowledge I am, uh, possess all the film reels. Whether this is true or not, that's not up to me to judge, but that is my belief, yes."

Source

The source of these comments is from 1997 when santilli was still selling the idea that the footage was real, which it isn't.

Volker Spielberg from hamburg! There's a smell of rather large German sausages in the air...again!

a reply to: Willtell

My basic belief and I believe it’s backed up by evidence, is that the IC has deliberately flooded the American UFO experience with deliberate (and there’s no other word to describe it )BullSh_. The goal is to suppress ufo legitimate research and interest.

I think you are right Will. UFO cases (beyond meaningless lights in the sky) in the rest of the world are much rarer than in the USA. But I also think there were/are other agendas played out that use the UFO subject. As I've said many times before, there is a great reluctance to actually throw out ANY cases that have since been explained beyond reasonable doubt because of the massive UFOtainment industry as well. No one wants to kill their signature case to get on the talk circuit. Then there are the new age crowd who want their cult like beliefs bundled in with UFO stories too. And America is home to many stupid cults. So once the ball was rolling it all got out of control.

Beyond that they've obviously used UFO stories to hide black projects. Not just up in the skies either. Recent statements have openly admitted that Skinwalker ranch was used for human experimentation studies.

A ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study.

Source

And this one too. If you translate 'UFO' as meaning 'non-lethal weapons tests' then the picture becomes clearer.

One of the major successes of BAASS was in adopting the novel approach of utilizing the human body as a readout system for dissecting interactions with the UFO phenomenon....

The BAASS approach was to view the human body as a readout system for UFO effects by utilizing forensic technology, the tools of immunology, cell biology, genomics and neuroanatomy for in depth study of the effects of UFOs on humans. This approach marked a dramatic shift away from the traditional norms of relying on eyewitness testimony as the central evidentiary arm in UFO investigations. The approach aimed to bypass UFO deception and manipulation of human perception by utilizing molecular forensics to decipher the biological consequences of the phenomenon.

The result of applying this new approach was a revolution in delineating the threat level of UFOs.

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They've been doing this stuff for decades on us mere peasants...

Here in the UK (and we only know up to 1979)

....tests involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro-organisms over vast swaths of the population without the public being told.

With the government thankfully confirming;

Independent reports by eminent scientists have shown there was no danger to public health from these releases which were carried out to protect the public.

You'll be glad to know your own government were trying to protect US citizens in a similar manner.

First it was germs and chemicals, then later it was microwave radiation.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Would you believe that a Spielberg funded the autopsy footage?

Not the one most know and love of course, Volker Spielberg to be more precise.

Ha! Yes, I did learn about the eccentric Herr Volker whilst perusing the background to the AA.

Some of his quotes are bizarre, especially the Garbo-esque "I want to be left alone"... not to mention his casual 'joke' about the Holocaust being a hoax when he realised he was in the company of a Jewish person (so much for "not mentioning the war", as Basil Fawlty would say).

Volker Spielberg from hamburg! There's a smell of rather large German sausages in the air...again!

Yes, Volker is a Hamburger. Which reminds me of the JFK blooper, "Ich bin ein Berliner" - which of course means:

I am a Donut.

a reply to: mirageman

All the pieces and evidentiary items of human-use experimentation fit snugly, and even obviously, after all the information is gathered and collated.

And now TTSA has become an innovative tool for collecting unwitting "experiencers" desperate for answers and told how "special" they are. Creepy.

a reply to: mirageman

One of your links above didn't retrieve the page so I searched the text:

A ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study.

Found this article and found it a good read. Is this the link you referenced? Opens slow for me, so y'all might have to wait a few:

AATIP PENTAGON UFO STUDY: COMPLETE UPDATE by Tim Doyle

Nothing totally new for those following closely here but ties a lot together nicely and is a good primer for those who aren't up to speed.

originally posted by: The GUT
... an innovative tool for collecting unwitting "experiencers" desperate for answers and told how "special" they are. Creepy.

Creepy with an extra layer of creep on top.



"Gee, Doc... so does my special DNA mean I can walk on water and wear really cool sandals?"

"Not quite, John, but you can rent one of the halos behind me for a dollar."

I rewatched CEotTK again recently to see how it fares against today’s outlook or version of events. Clearly the alien subject is ripe for a more realistic, non-Hollywood take. It will never get made though. I’m seriously thinking of writing a screenplay due to the lack of decent movies these days.
If Hollywood do it again big-bucks, then I’d want a full Tarkovsky mind bender with a bit of Lynch, Garland and Villeneuve thrown in. What we’ll get is delicate-teens-on-a-soul-searching-mission.
I’m off to buy some instant mash.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit



CB you've messed up and need to remove or close your italics tag at the end of your last post.

[ /i ]

Otherwise we are condemned to a whole page left wallowing in italics.

a reply to: The GUT

Yes Tim Doyle has dissected the TTSA story fairly well.

But the link is slow but valid GUT.

It refers to the original LasVegasNow report. However it is one website that is not compatible with EU privacy laws and so my fellow European citizens cannot read it. Using the Wayback Machine not only preserves it for posterity but also is a handy workaround without resorting to other technical jiggery pokery. It removes the offending scripts that run in the background.

But I digress. The report was written by award winning journalist George Knapp. Just to expand a little for people who don't want to click on yet more links (I know it's a pain on smart phones and other handheld devices)

[Re; AAWSAP contact] ......The agreement with DIA did not mention UFOs at all. It used more generic terms such as future threats and breakthrough technologies, and specified 12 focal points including, lift, propulsion, materials, versions of stealth as well as human interface and human effects, meaning Bigelow's team would study people who reported unusual experiences beyond seeing UFOs.

A ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study.
The study produced volumes of highly technical scientific reports including projections about warp drives and antigravity propulsion.

"These studies are so loaded with information," Sen. Reid said. "One thing we learned is over the decades a lot of things happen there's no explanation for. Well there are now. But at the Pentagon, there was pushback. Some worried the study would become an embarrassment if the word got out. Others opposed it on religious grounds. Bigelow funded it himself for a year but AAWSAP came to an end after 2011."

Whilst one interpretation of future threats could be "from ETs coming here" (despite the fact that history suggests they aren't particularly a threat if any UFOs are ET spacecraft). I think you can see that if you forget UFOs and see the cover story being non-lethal weaponry or other related research then it paints an entirely different picture.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: mirageman

All the pieces and evidentiary items of human-use experimentation fit snugly, and even obviously, after all the information is gathered and collated.

And now TTSA has become an innovative tool for collecting unwitting "experiencers" desperate for answers and told how "special" they are. Creepy.

That last sentence left me feeling like something similar i read a little while back. Took me a few mins but found it in your MIB & Aviary thread

This paragraph in particular;

Especially in the last three decades, a great deal of time, energy and resources have been expended on implanting the Contact Scenario into the collective consciousness. Whatever the objective of such a conspiracy, it is clear that those behind it are playing for very high stakes.

(Taken from a Conspiracy-Times article - Link now dead)

I think for the new narrative and agenda just replace a couple of words;

"Especially in the last few years, a great deal of time, energy and resources have been expended on implanting the 'threat' Scenario into the collective consciousness. Whatever the objective of such a conspiracy, it is clear that those behind it are playing for very high stakes.

Same playbook, slightly different words....

I think nearly all of it is BS, but it's the "why" I am most interested in.

Is everything still wonky? CB ya plonker lol

originally posted by: pigsy2400
I think nearly all of it is BS, but it's the "why" I am most interested in.

Is everything still wonky? CB ya plonker lol

Allo. Oh, everything's fine now, then... (too late to edit anyway.) That's weird. Despite MM's advice, the italics were indeed closed, otherwise the text in my post could not have appeared in italics - if that makes sense.

HOWEVER, when I used to lurk on ATS last year before joining, whole pages would often appear in italics, but then revert to normal if the screen was refreshed. Sounds like a case of the site being sometimes allergic to italics - a job for the tech gang, maybe?

Or is a bird playing with us? Hey, I thought it was decent gag, Doc.

Firesnake - I won't quote your italics-ridden post in case it all cocks up again, but regarding a more "realistic, non-Hollywood take" of CEOT3K, wouldn't 'Arrival' (2016) fit your bill? It has its flaws but I think Tarkovsky would have approved.

Spielberg's epic stands up amazingly well today. It's also worth remembering that most of the UFO incidents portrayed are based on real cases - eg the opening radar room dialogue; the police chase; and - COUGH - the climactic landing inspired by the infamous tall-tale of the Holloman AFB landing of 1971 (there's a lovely rumour that you can hear someone in the crowd murmuring "Hey, this is just like that 1971 landing...", but not sure if it's true).

And Hynek's in there puffing on his pipe, alongside Truffaut playing (under a different name) Jacques Vallee, who advised Spielberg that an IDH was more likely than an ETH - but despite mutual agreement, an IDH was judged too enigmatic for 1977 audiences, but would it work today? Dunno, give it another ten years, I reckon. As Vallee himself said, the phenomenon...

adapts to its environment, like the cinema does. Think of the movie industry as a meta-system. We just need to find the projector.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Gee, Doc... so does my special DNA mean I can walk on water and wear really cool sandals?" 

If you do some homework you will discover Jim and John already knew things re their alleged " different" DNA well before Green and Dolan popped up. The how what and why I cannot answer, but I do know the men were already aware .

😉

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

If you do some homework you will discover Jim and John already knew things re their alleged " different" DNA well before Green and Dolan popped up. The how what and why I cannot answer, but I do know the men were already aware .

😉

You're such a tease, Baa.

There is Jim's 2016 admission/claim that he declined an offer to have his DNA tested because he did not want to be "bought and paid" for...

... in return for full VA disability. All I had to do was to submit to a Medical, DNA, and testing examination by the Stanford Research Institute Research department, along with a list of other things... It was a question of integrity for me, and unfortunately, one of the other Rendlesham witnesses took them up on their offer.

Following their collaborative 2015 book with Pope, this seems to be a point when things turned sour between the two men. But if two personnel received VA disability, and it wasn't Jimbo (despite what TTSA claim), who was the other? Bustinza, who does claim to have been injured by the light on Night Three? Or was there only one compensatee after all?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Lol. I am serious when I mention what I did. It does beg all sorts of questions but thus far its pretty well tucked out of sight all that. The evidence is there which demonstrates the men knew things prior to Kit appearing on the scene. Didn't John come up with some story on the radio re Kit and Nolan . John at least got his wish to get DNA testing of which he had wanted.

Now re the pay out story, according to Osborn it is written in detail in the new book. I don't know what the story is at this stage CB. But I certainly hear you re the rest.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

We'll see which of the three volumes(!) of Ozzy's work will explain it, then.



Meanwhile, re this italics issue, I understand that although the page looks fine to me (and presumably some others, too), it remains in italics for others using different devices. I wrongly thought I had 'closed' the italics in my original post since on any other NORMAL forum, they would not otherwise appear at all, and of course would NOT affect other people's posts.

So humble apologies to all those affected.

And a two-fingered salute to ATS's inept coding.