Kit Green, the Alien Autopsy and the Men Who Stared at Notes

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I don't know if it shall CB. The book is now advertised on Popes page so I see. Jim shows the reviews so far.

No clue re those Italics.
Mine seems normal now but yours does not.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

No clue re those Italics.
Mine seems normal now but yours does not.

Yes, it's a case of pot-luck and a bloody mess, and despite it being an ATS coding glitch, I'll probably be spat on and grumbled about for the rest of the thread... Oh well, live and learn, etc.

As they say...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Spielberg's epic stands up amazingly well today. It's also worth remembering that most of the UFO incidents portrayed are based on real cases - eg the opening radar room dialogue; the police chase; and - COUGH - the climactic landing inspired by the infamous tall-tale of the Holloman AFB landing of 1971 (there's a lovely rumour that you can hear someone in the crowd murmuring "Hey, this is just like that 1971 landing...", but not sure if it's true).

Except for CB, if any humans get that close to that mothership they would be (according to all data and experience) crispy creamed and fried for an alien fried menu.

And maybe that musical piece would work with John Lewis and the Modern Jazz Quartet but I doubt any aliens...

Anyone wondering when Dolan will be re-scheduling his official chat with Dr. Green?

Obviously the conditions have to be ideal and at precise interviewing temperature as all reputable journalists know?

I have my suspicions it will never happen. People will just forget about it. Then a document will be leaked sometime in the future.

a reply to: mirageman

Then a document will be leaked sometime in the future.

This

Sometime down the line a copy of the transcript RD typed up after the "warm up" but before Kit said "No".

It will contain strange email addresses, outrageous claims and space-time vacuum cleaner manipulation details.

Expect it to appear on Reddit and 4Chan replacement sites in about 17 years time.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

And maybe that musical piece would work with John Lewis and the Modern Jazz Quartet but I doubt any aliens...

Lol. It was so "Whaaa...daaa...ffffff....?" and unlikely, that it paradoxically seemed to work fine for me.

Alternatively, would Lady Gaga get those Greys boogying on down today...?





PS: TO ALL POSTERS: I may still be in the 'italics dog-house', but I have notified a mod to either amend that earlier post or delete it altogether. Best I can do. It wasn't that funny anyway, was it?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

It wasn't that funny anyway, was it?

answer: If you gotta ask.....



Italics not been a problem for me, it's all appeared normal

a reply to: mirageman
The US is a big and open place. In the UK the government can, to this day, make a story disappear from all news outlets.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep

Lol. I am serious when I mention what I did. It does beg all sorts of questions but thus far its pretty well tucked out of sight all that. The evidence is there which demonstrates the men knew things prior to Kit appearing on the scene.

Where is that info found, Baa? You said if we've done our homework and all but I can only find Burroughs interview talking about with Kit and the doctors that kind of fooled him and said they had it already but that referenced THEIR testing at THAT time didn't it?

originally posted by: Sublant
a reply to: mirageman
The US is a big and open place. In the UK the government can, to this day, make a story disappear from all news outlets.

Have you SEEN our current government?

This bunch of bozos can't organise an orgy in a knocking shop, let alone spook news outlets.

a reply to: The GUT

The DNA stuff has been floating around years. As far as Kit etc and the hows. That may well be true as John describes it have no idea. I only know about what was thought re their alleged special DNA in 2010. Seemingly they would have liked testing done but too expensive. Bit of luck then John got it confirmed egh? I messaged you the details as dont want to go off topic here etc.

😉

originally posted by: mirageman
Anyone wondering when Dolan will be re-scheduling his official chat with Dr. Green?

Obviously the conditions have to be ideal and at precise interviewing temperature as all reputable journalists know?

I have my suspicions it will never happen. People will just forget about it. Then a document will be leaked sometime in the future.

You can be sure I'm not forgetting. Its stinky?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

There will be no rescheduling. I think our friend from Manchester may be able to confirm this, according to his own deadline.

Pages 190 - 205 of Forbidden Science 4 are quite interesting and the timing of me reading through that part considering some of our recent conversations in this thread around Kit Greens belief are noted.

So back in 1974; Kit essentially asks Vallee "if they have a UFO program where the # are they hiding it"

Skip forward to 1994-5 - some twenty years later and it appears that Kit is still looking for UFO related programs within the USG but it at this point where the two seemingly opposing views we have discussed are drawn together;

If we are to believe the writings of Vallee; Kit believes two things in relation to Ufology;

1) There is a good possibility that the US Government has a UFO program and its probably hidden deep away somewhere and he and his friends have been looking for it for 40 odd years. Vallee does toss up the idea that Kit has been involved in these programs but can't be sure himself of information he is told that lays out that theory.

2) That people that believe in UFOs or that claim to see them or have "encounters" that cover all kinds; are possibly quite quite mad and suffer from delusion and other mental illnesses but are still able to function normally within society.

I found this interesting as we have only recently discussed how can someone seemingly have such opposing views...well it turns out he believes both. There aint nothing wrong with that and its nice to have some form of confirmation at least of this...

Back to the Alien Autopsy side of things.... it seems that the idea of having either images, photos or film reels of dead aliens is nothing new and goes back way further than the Spryos/Santilli nonsense too.

Could these earlier cases or rumors of people being shown "alien bodies" explain away some of the emails contents? Specifically the "three briefings" that Kit supposedly had - 2 of which predate the Santilli film.

a reply to: pigsy2400

Sounds to me they will be looking another 40 years.

originally posted by: pigsy2400

1) There is a good possibility that the US Government has a UFO program and its probably hidden deep away somewhere and he and his friends have been looking for it for 40 odd years. Vallee does toss up the idea that Kit has been involved in these programs but can't be sure himself of information he is told that lays out that theory.

2) That people that believe in UFOs or that claim to see them or have "encounters" that cover all kinds; are possibly quite quite mad and suffer from delusion and other mental illnesses but are still able to function normally within society.

I found this interesting as we have only recently discussed how can someone seemingly have such opposing views...well it turns out he believes both. There aint nothing wrong with that and its nice to have some form of confirmation at least of this...

Agreed, but where does that leave Kit? Would he diagnose himself with paraphrenia?

Back to the Alien Autopsy side of things.... it seems that the idea of having either images, photos or film reels of dead aliens is nothing new and goes back way further than the Spryos/Santilli nonsense too.

Could these earlier cases or rumors of people being shown "alien bodies" explain away some of the emails contents? Specifically the "three briefings" that Kit supposedly had - 2 of which predate the Santilli film.

Those "meetings" sound suspicious to me. Especially (if I have this right) the one where he was approached but doesn't know if it was official or not.

How could he accept a meeting like that and not ask for a clear answer? And not having a clear answer on that would he go against his security clearance and be accepting classified information with no need to know?

If Kit really has been digging that way, with the stories of it even being public knowledge for years now, I think his security clearance would be in jeopardy. Like gone. it doesn't seem to compute.

According to Vallee in his diaries, the FS series, Kit Green had no formal job duty as a CIA officer to study UFOs. He was doing that, by the CIA's allowance, on the side like a part-time job.

Obviously, as many of my posts indicate, I believe the CIA mainly and other IC groups have deliberately infested the UFO community. Though I don’t think it’s on a level like the FBI infiltration of the Communist Party, or that the IC community thinks it’s a problem like Russian spies or that serious that they would, for instance, assassinate somebody and do the sinister things they do on other more serious levels. In other words, ufology to them is not that serious than say, the way they handled the black panthers and many other groups through cointelpro, where people died through the actions of the FBI and other IC groups.

I do recall in FS4 Vallee and his two CIA buddies, Green and Puthoff, and even John Alexander were looking for some secret government ufo group that they heard existed. They, according to the book, never found this secret group.

originally posted by: Willtell

I do recall in FS4 Vallee and his two CIA buddies, Green and Puthoff, and even John Alexander were looking for some secret government ufo group that they heard existed. They, according to the book, never found this secret group.

Keyhoe also said something to the effect of an invisible group if im not mistaken. He called them the silent group or something like that. As did wilburt smith somewhere. As for john Alexander, wasnt he lately saying theres no such group?

a reply to: IMSAM

John Alexander; the guy who "loves" Non-Lethal Weapons...and is one that has changed his tune many times on different subjects when different information comes out / to light.

some have mentioned it before but the groups that have existed may very be just a continuation of the same group under a different name with familiar faces involved. ATP/NIDS/BASS/AAWSAP/AATIP/TTSA.

All in their efforts to search for "the box".
I think Valee's comments in 1978 are quite interesting and fitting in regards to multiple threads here on ATS:

Palo Alto. Thursday 22 November 1979.

I have cured myself of the fascination I once felt for the Intelligence community. The realization came when I observed how easily they were fooled by others and fooled themselves. Perhaps they are the ones who can't face the real world and have to invent their own secret games to make sense of it.

Time to get back on track in terms of the title of the thread...

I have been looking into the "leaked" emails themselves and picking apart some small bits of information from them and just having a look to see if there is anything I can find about some of these finer details.

Dr Charles Stahl mentioned in the NIDs emails as well as escorting Kit to this facility where the “alien tissue samples” were stored?

Who is Dr Charles Stahl?

CHARLES J. STAHL, III M.D. U.S. NAVY?S FIRST FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST Dr. Charles J. Stahl, III, age 85, passed away on the first of March 2016, in Johnson City, Tennessee after a progressive illness. He was of the Christian faith. Son of Myrtle Esher Stahl and Charles J. Stahl, Jr, Dr. Stahl was born in Philadelphia. He was raised in Harleysville, PA where he was a lifeguard and the town?s first Eagle Scout, and graduated from Souderton High School class of 1948. Dr. Stahl graduated from Ursinus College, Collegeville, PA in 1952 and graduated from Jefferson Medical College, Philadelphia in 1956 as a Doctor of Medicine. Dr. Stahl was commissioned as an Ensign in the United States Navy, Medical Corps, in 1953 and served for 27 years, retiring as a Captain (06) in 1980. Dr. Stahl became the U.S. Navy?s first Forensic Pathologist in 1962, serving at the Philadelphia Naval Hospital and on the Island of Guam. He became the Chief of Forensic Pathology, Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, Washington, D.C. where he led many medical-legal investigations including the deaths of the three NASA astronauts aboard Apollo I and the Robert F. Kennedy Assassination.

An expert on ballistics, he consulted with federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies including the FBI, ATF, and NCIS. He was the Chairman of the Department of Laboratory Medicine at the National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, MD. During his service, Dr. Stahl received many military honors, and decorations, including the Legion of Merit, the Joint Service Commendation Medal, and the Navy Unit Commendation. Dr. Stahl is honored at the Johnson City-Washington County Veterans Memorial, Johnson City, TN. After retirement from the Navy, Dr. Stahl was appointed Chief of Laboratory Service at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Johnson City, TN; Assistant Chief Medical Examiner, State of Tennessee; and Professor of Pathology at the Quillen College of Medicine, East Tennessee State University.

Dr. Stahl was honored for his service to law enforcement by Resolution of the Johnson City Board of Commissioners and appointed an Honorary Captain with the Johnson City Police Department in 1985. Dr. Stahl continued to serve the Department of Veterans Affairs as the Chief of Staff of the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Dayton, OH, Deputy Medical Inspector for the Department of Veterans Affairs and concluded his forty-year career as the Armed Forces Medical Examiner, Washington, D.C. from 1992-1996.

Dr. Stahl received the Department of Veterans Affairs Distinguished Career Award, the Helpern Laureate Award from the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS) in 1994, and named an AAFS Distinguished Fellow in 1995. Dr. Stahl authored journal articles and served on numerous professional boards, panels, and associations during his career including the Board of Trustees, Thomas Jefferson University, past president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, and as a member of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. He was inducted into the Souderton High School Hall of Fame in 2008 and recognized as the 2000 Ursinus College Annual Alumni Award honoree.

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Quite a distinguished career by all accounts...