Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: ScepticScot
Are you going to answer my questions or just continue to talk BS?

I would be interested in how this wasn't meant as an insult

'probably have but you are so entrenched in your EU-loving mentality, that you consciously or unconsciously ignore it)!'

Actually that's a bit of a lie as I expect that I won't really be interested as I suspect your answer will be boring evasive nonsense. Still might be pleasantly surprised.

Now I have answered your question can you actually give an example of the EU punishing the UK?

Just watched the news, where a reporter was at a NEW fruit and vegetable

market.

The owner of the market was pointing to the fruit and veg from mainly Spain

and France which he said if we had a 'hard Brexit' would not be there to sell.


Therefor we in the UK may not have the 'variety' to purchase, but we would

have 'home grown' and from other countries outside of the EU fruit and veg.


Bottom line being ....... We may not have the variety of fruit and veg ..... But

what are the EU exporting countries going to do


With no income from exports and rotting produce

a reply to: eletheia

Even post hard brexit we will still trade with the EU. It will just become more expensive to do so.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Nice selective quoting. Why didn't you include the first two words of my sentence? In fact, you should have quoted my whole paragraph...

Only because you haven't seen or heard it (or you probably have but you are so entrenched in your EU-loving mentality, that you consciously or unconsciously ignore it)!

If you find that insulting then I can't help you I'm afraid.
I thought the Scottish people were much tougher than that.

Me being evasive? The pot calling the kettle black, comes to mind.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: eletheia

Even post hard brexit we will still trade with the EU. It will just become more expensive to do so.

We dont have to buy if the price isnt right .......

Even supermarkets have to lower their prices when sell by dates

get close .... Thats when I buy expensive tropical fruit.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: ScepticScot
Nice selective quoting. Why didn't you include the first two words of my sentence? In fact, you should have quoted my whole paragraph...

Only because you haven't seen or heard it (or you probably have but you are so entrenched in your EU-loving mentality, that you consciously or unconsciously ignore it)!

If you find that insulting then I can't help you I'm afraid.
I thought the Scottish people were much tougher than that.

Me being evasive? The pot calling the kettle black, comes to mind.

In what way do you think including the extra words changes the meaning?

I said you were attempting to be insulting, lack of ability doesn't remove the intent. Since you haven't offered any other explanation I stick by that and that you don't even have the balls to acknowledge it.

Still no examples of the EU punishing the UK I see.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: eletheia

Even post hard brexit we will still trade with the EU. It will just become more expensive to do so.

We dont have to buy if the price isnt right .......

Even supermarkets have to lower their prices when sell by dates

get close ....

Thats when I buy expensive tropical fruit.

We don't have to buy , it just means goods become more expensive. So either we pay more or go without.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

We don't have to buy , it just means goods become more expensive. So either we pay more or go without.

Do you buy things (food cloths toys furniture anything) regardless of price?

If so you are more foolish than I thought.

When something is out of reach price wise there are always alternatives.

I think its called budgeting

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

We don't have to buy , it just means goods become more expensive. So either we pay more or go without.

Do you buy things (food cloths toys furniture anything) regardless of price?

If so you are more foolish than I thought.

When something is out of reach price wise there are always alternatives.

I think its called budgeting

If there were goods of same price and quality available we would already be buying them. If the price of imports from EU goes up then we either pay more, buy less or buy worse. . Its really that simple.

You just have to say # it , and if you have a garden grow your own , we have a decent climate here for growers !
If you have garden space or even an allotment , get your fingers oot and get them dirty !

I know veg is seasonal and we dont always get all our veg from the UK because of that reason , but we can substitute variety for quantity at the home grown level .

I'm planning to grow my own and turn my garden into a vegetable plot , with a tiny wee bit grass to relax on when the summer comes!

I want to try and recduce my dependence on government to absolutely zero

originally posted by: sapien82
You just have to say # it , and if you have a garden grow your own , we have a decent climate here for growers !
If you have garden space or even an allotment , get your fingers oot and get them dirty !

I know veg is seasonal and we dont always get all our veg from the UK because of that reason , but we can substitute variety for quantity at the home grown level .

I'm planning to grow my own and turn my garden into a vegetable plot , with a tiny wee bit grass to relax on when the summer comes!

I want to try and recduce my dependence on government to absolutely zero

When I lived at home a few years ago I used to grow all sorts of fruit and vegtables in the garden. We lived off them for years.
A few seeds and some forward thinking goes a long way.

I would love to reduce my dependence on the government a lot more but they don't make it easy.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: ScepticScot
Nice selective quoting. Why didn't you include the first two words of my sentence? In fact, you should have quoted my whole paragraph...

Only because you haven't seen or heard it (or you probably have but you are so entrenched in your EU-loving mentality, that you consciously or unconsciously ignore it)!

If you find that insulting then I can't help you I'm afraid.
I thought the Scottish people were much tougher than that.

Me being evasive? The pot calling the kettle black, comes to mind.

In what way do you think including the extra words changes the meaning?

Another example of you being evasive. You can't keep answering questions with questions.

I said you were attempting to be insulting, lack of ability doesn't remove the intent. Since you haven't offered any other explanation I stick by that and that you don't even have the balls to acknowledge it.

Seriously, no one in this thread cares if you found my words insulting or not.

Still no examples of the EU punishing the UK I see.

You have been given examples. Anyway, I CBA to continue with this, we obviously are not going to agree and will just go around in circles wasting both our time.

originally posted by: 83Liberty

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: ScepticScot
Nice selective quoting. Why didn't you include the first two words of my sentence? In fact, you should have quoted my whole paragraph...

Only because you haven't seen or heard it (or you probably have but you are so entrenched in your EU-loving mentality, that you consciously or unconsciously ignore it)!

If you find that insulting then I can't help you I'm afraid.
I thought the Scottish people were much tougher than that.

Me being evasive? The pot calling the kettle black, comes to mind.

In what way do you think including the extra words changes the meaning?

Another example of you being evasive. You can't keep answering questions with questions.

I said you were attempting to be insulting, lack of ability doesn't remove the intent. Since you haven't offered any other explanation I stick by that and that you don't even have the balls to acknowledge it.

Seriously, no one in this thread cares if you found my words insulting or not.

Still no examples of the EU punishing the UK I see.

You have been given examples. Anyway, I CBA to continue with this, we obviously are not going to agree and will just go around in circles wasting both our time.

It was pointing out that your claim of quote mining was wrong because using the full paragraph in no way changes what you said.

Also not insulted, just pointing out you are attempting to use insults rather than actually engage with anything being said.

Given examples that don't actually back up the initial claim. At any point you have an example of the EU punishing the UK feel free to share.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm just sat here wondering, surely if the EU didn't want the UK to leave , they would offer us some sort of reason to keep staying , like if we are that important to the EU as we are led to believe , then surely they would go come on friends don't leave us stay with us , and we can make things better together !

Since that's what we are always told in the UK we are better together!

It simply appears that the EU are not bothered either way if we stay or go!

so I guess one could call it punishment that they are not begging us to stay and instead are quite ambivalent or not too bothered about it !

a reply to: rhynouk

it's a great way to be !
I just need to get my finger oot and make some time for the garden so that when the new season comes I will be ready to sow!

I wonder what would happen if the UK requested a financial audit of Brussels to "ensure we paid what we owed".
I imagine that the risk of expenses and other financial scandals would be cause for a rapid change in the EU's approach to negotiations.

What do you guys/girls think?

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm just sat here wondering, surely if the EU didn't want the UK to leave , they would offer us some sort of reason to keep staying , like if we are that important to the EU as we are led to believe , then surely they would go come on friends don't leave us stay with us , and we can make things better together !

Since that's what we are always told in the UK we are better together!

It simply appears that the EU are not bothered either way if we stay or go!

so I guess one could call it punishment that they are not begging us to stay and instead are quite ambivalent or not too bothered about it !

I think its been made quite clear by the EU that they want the UK to stay, and the UK already has one of the best deals on membership of any EU state.

I think its been made clear by the UK government that leave means leave. So I am not sure what if anything the EU could offer?

As a genuine question what do you think would have been a signifhcant enough offer to make the UK stay.

originally posted by: Axius
I wonder what would happen if the UK requested a financial audit of Brussels to "ensure we paid what we owed".
I imagine that the risk of expenses and other financial scandals would be cause for a rapid change in the EU's approach to negotiations.

What do you guys/girls think?

The EU already is audited every year.

originally posted by: Axius
I wonder what would happen if the UK requested a financial audit of Brussels to "ensure we paid what we owed".
I imagine that the risk of expenses and other financial scandals would be cause for a rapid change in the EU's approach to negotiations.

What do you guys/girls think?

Welcome to ATS




The EU wasn't audited for years ..... they claim to have been in recent

years, I have my doubts there's no transparency.

Its a closed costly club to belong to always reminds me of the words

from the song *Hotel California* .........

I had to find the passage back to the place I was before
'Relax' said the night man,
'We are programmed to receive.
You can check out any time you like,
But you can never leave!'

a reply to: ScepticScot

I am not sure , really , I thought we already had it pretty nice in the EU , free movement some more legal freedoms for the individual , protection from unity , no more regional conflicts !

Shared cultures

but of course I am not a big business so I don't really require much from the EU as a citizen !

maybe just easy access for going on holidays is really pretty much what any of us need !

Those who work overseas its different they need a few things from the EU.