Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree with every single word of that, mate

For the last 2 hours May has been addressing the house and questions and no one supports her technical deal !

everyone is asking for another referendum!

a reply to: Freeborn

Agreed. As for BJ, the look of surprise on his face when the vote actually went for Brexit.....

Or Brexsh*t as it is now turning out. Let's just have a hard Brexit and tell the EU to get stuffed.

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree its time to move forward from party politics!
its nothing but division , yes we need opposing views and politicians from across the spectrum, but not pitted against each other in teams we can all flag wave for! and stop any progression!

I agree, lets build a new Britain !

King arthur style

a reply to: SprocketUK

Never have the failings of the current system been so glaringly obvious and open for all to see.

I know the Remainers are feeling a bit put out even let down.
I understand that and sort of respect that.

But I know if the vote had gone the other way I would have respected the will of the people and moved on for the common good.

It is so clear that we have a common enemy and a golden opportunity to seize the moment, work together and start changing this nation into something we can all be proud of free from the restraints and shackles that held most of us back in the past.

We have a chance to rid ourselves of outdated electoral and parliamentary procedures and more importantly those who use these processes for their own personal gain and the maintenance of an amoral and corrupt system that benefits a select inherent few and self-appointed intelligentsia.

Enough of my ramblings, I'm off to re-read more John Lilburne and Gerrard Winstanley before watching some #e TV....then it'll be pub o'clock time!

a reply to: Freeborn

hear hear !

aye enjoy the read and the pub mate

a reply to: sapien82

Its great that you agree we need to unite and move forward together.

Another referendum?
Maybe as long as its only on the details of the Brexit deal and not on overturning the previous referendum.
But that will only prolong the process....death by a thousand cuts, when one hefty swing of the axe would sever all ties far more efficiently!

I'm all for hard Brexit....the EU will come running to us for a deal before long.

Why would they come running? A country with a very small manufacturing base and no natural resources doesn’t seem to have anything anyone would want. a reply to: Freeborn

a reply to: soundguy

I think that they will still be keen to sell us their BMW's, Mercs, VW's. Renault's, Citroen's, white goods, electrical goods etc, etc.

We do import quite a bit of stuff from the EU, even though we are such a crap country, apparently, according to you thank you very much.

At least we are not owned by China.

a reply to: soundguy

No natural resources?

Scotland generates 50% of its energy by renewables and we plan to be 100% by 2030 we can sell our excess to 3rd parties overseas , we still have our oil and natural gas so we are told !, and we still have our coal ( coal is big , according to donald )

we still have some resources , Im sure we will be fine
the best resource we have is the people though !

a reply to: Freeborn

Another referendum on leaving the EU is the war cry of most of the house for the past 2 hours !

they have said repeatedly that the will of the people has not been adhered to as the leading party havent provided us with a solution !

Mp's across the house have raised the point of the public deciding yet again!

each time May refuses and wont call an election either due to the resignations the rest of the house appear not to have any confidence in the tory party to lead the UK through brexit !

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Freeborn

Another referendum on leaving the EU is the war cry of most of the house for the past 2 hours !

they have said repeatedly that the will of the people has not been adhered to as the leading party havent provided us with a solution !

Mp's across the house have raised the point of the public deciding yet again!

each time May refuses and wont call an election either due to the resignations the rest of the house appear not to have any confidence in the tory party to lead the UK through brexit !

very nice
don't like the outcome, lets vote again
will there be votes until they get the desired outcome?

a reply to: shooterbrody

You understand and have summed up the situation perfectly, I'm afraid.

a reply to: shooterbrody

I am not sure completely but it appears there is no support for May's technical deal at present!
not enough answers by her party on brexit.

The majority dont support May , many have asked that the will of the people be brought into it since a deal hasnt been struck or one that suits the interests of Britains!

I dont think another ref on brexit should go ahead , because we have already voted and the people voted to leave!
we just have to stick to our democratic ideals and honor it and just make the bloody best of it !

Fair play to May though , she has stood there for 2 hours answering questions many of them the same!
I dont particularly like any tory party member but I do feel a wee bit sorry for May !

a reply to: sapien82

Agree Mrs May was brave this morning and dogged. This deal would actually work in a few years with complete freedom.
Time may just allow some enough I hope to think about what happens if Corbyn was to gain or a re-vote and ending up staying in the EU which in my opinion would be totally Embarrassing for the should be proud and great and independent UK.

a reply to: sapien82

Looks like the Tory knives are out and that May's days are numbered.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

Looks like the Tory knives are out and that May's days are numbered.

Yup...over 60 Tory MPs now calling for her resignation (letters of no confidence handed in), threshold level more than passed - more a matter of hours than days it seems.

A second referendum and new leader may ease things, but fundamentally I can't envision any situation where the Commons, Lords and EU can agree on anything, there's too much money, beauracy and politics involved.

EDIT: May holding a press conference at 5pm, if there's an insignia/crest on then she's gone (think it may be a final futile adress for order myself but there are rumours of big things).

a reply to: bastion

Im not too clued up , so there vote of no confidence, does that force the tory party to call for a general election ?

and could that then mean a second referendum if the house votes again with a new interim government in place ?

is there enough time to call this between now and brexit ?

Our government need to get a grip!

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: bastion

Im not too clued up , so there vote of no confidence, does that force the tory party to call for a general election ?

No, they can hang on with a new leader if they have the majority support of Tory and DUP MP's.
It is a Tory/DUP party issue not a Parliament concern.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

and if they cant decided and its hung , do they need to force a general election ?

Im just sitting here listening to the veterans strategy ,and the earlier Brexit deal , it seems defense is a huge issue that we are not decided on!

What I can see is clear is that UK politicians love war , and love the military , are there any who are against conflict , corbyn i know , but any others!

Seems all the MP's love it , and they love war , they just banged on for an hour solid about PTSD , trauma,suicide rates in servicemen and women and veterans of war!

none of them think that its damaging our society , and putting even more pressure on the NHS
and keep banging on about defense, defense from who ?

I honestly do not agree with war and conflict, look at how many people are killed as a result
its nothing more than state sanctioned murder!