Brexit is a Mess, how do we Fix it.

originally posted by: eletheiaGood old days??

What planet are you on?

The good old days were just a couple of years ago when we had the best deal in the EU. Now a segment of the population who have been feeling the effects of austerity for too long has taken revenge by voting us out of the European project. Totally unbelievable, those days were good old recent days, everybody I the UK had never had it so good as their time within the EU. Now the lemmings have voted to throw themselves off the cliff. As a committed European who believes in people coming together rather dividing into monkey like groups of separation I will never submit to the nationalism taking hold of that segment of the population. We had it so good, now it's over for us who believed in a Europe of one.

a reply to: Freeborn

I'm happy with the way things are in the UK Freeborn, we have it good here and now this is being threatened by a group of dissolusioned jingoistic nationalist divisional leaning breakaway rebellious people who voted us out of a great economic project. Life goes on and one day we will go back to the EU. It's not a done deal yet

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: eletheiaGood old days??

The good old days were just a couple of years ago when we had the best deal in the EU. Now a segment of the population who have been feeling the effects of austerity for too long has taken revenge by voting us out of the European project. Totally unbelievable, those days were good old recent days, everybody I the UK had never had it so good as their time within the EU. Now the lemmings have voted to throw themselves off the cliff. As a committed European who believes in people coming together rather dividing into monkey like groups of separation I will never submit to the nationalism taking hold of that segment of the population. We had it so good, now it's over for us who believed in a Europe of one.

I must have missed these heady days of blissful happiness. What colour is the sky on your planet?

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter
a reply to: Freeborn

I'm happy with the way things are in the UK Freeborn, we have it good here and now this is being threatened by a group of dissolusioned jingoistic nationalist divisional leaning breakaway rebellious people who voted us out of a great economic project. Life goes on and one day we will go back to the EU. It's not a done deal yet

A "group"? I think you mean a majority of the voting public in the UK.

A "great economic project"?!!!!!!! Are you having a laugh?

a reply to: oldcarpy

well at least I think the EU is good for the free movement of people an there hasnt been any armed conflict in europe since the EU was formed !

That was the first time Europe had fallen quite in over 3000 + years

a reply to: sapien82


No need for an armed conflict, Germany/France have taken over by stealth!

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: oldcarpy

well at least I think the EU is good for the free movement of people an there hasnt been any armed conflict in europe since the EU was formed !

That was the first time Europe had fallen quite in over 3000 + years

Could be more to do with NATO/Warsaw pact nukes than anything else.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: oldcarpy

well at least I think the EU is good for the free movement of people an there hasnt been any armed conflict in europe since the EU was formed !

That was the first time Europe had fallen quite in over 3000 + years

That's because the Americas have bases in every one of your countries and faced down the USSR so you guys could construct your socialist paradises without the need to defend yourselves. Why do that if you can get the Americans to pay for it AND contribute mightily to your economies just by being there? Then there's the big bonus of getting to condemn America for daring to save your azzes. Win/win, schmucks.

a reply to: schuyler


You think that the UK is a "socialist paradise"? We have a Tory Govt and have had one for quite some time now. You Yanks really don't know much about what goes on outside of your borders.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

a reply to: andy06shake


I don't think that anyone who I know who voted leave actually believed that one. But you could post similar tall tales told by Project Fear, too.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

I'm happy with the way things are in the UK Freeborn, we have it good here.....

I don't know whereabouts you're from but its never really been 'good here' in the North East and I've lived here for 53 years!
Sure, some times have been better than others but hardly 'good'.

..... and now this is being threatened by a group of dissolusioned....

Disillusioned is a polite way of describing how I personally feel.

.... jingoistic nationalist divisional leaning.....

So, everyone who voted for Brexit is 'jingoistic'?
And what is exactly is wrong with being Nationalistic?
Seems its ok for the Scots, Welsh, Irish, etc to be 'Nationalistic', what exactly is wrong with this particular brand of 'nationalism'?

.... breakaway rebellious people.....

Rebellious?
Since when was that a crime?
Or how do you see that as being wrong?

Would you rather us just cower down to the undemocratic, unelected EU Commissars and their dictatorial leanings?

Well, under such circumstances I guess I'm proud to be considered 'rebellious'.

.... who voted us out of a great economic project.

See you nearly quite got it there...VOTED out in a democratic referendum.

'Great economic project' even if this were accurate I'd possibly go along with that.....but the thing is political union is a condition of that and that is something I personally don't want....and neither do the majority of Brits.
Remember that VOTE thing?

Life goes on.....

Indeed.
Grow a pair of balls and get on with it.

.....and one day we will go back to the EU.

I hope not.

....It's not a done deal yet

Thanks to the bullying nature of the EU wishing to deny The Right to Self-Determination and the undemocratic attitude of many Remainers who would rather deny the will of the people and subjugate themselves to the EU rather than see the result of a free and democratic referendum be enacted.

For Solo...
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
Nae second referendum for ye bonny lad.

a reply to: sapien82

..... an there hasnt been any armed conflict in europe since the EU was formed !

I think that was more to do with NATO than the EU.

NATO was formed in 1949.
EEC was formed in 1957.
EU was formed in 1993.

NATO was formed in order to ensure peace in Europe.
EEC was formed in order to bring about economic integration between member states in a Free Trade Association.
EU was formed to drive through political union between member states.

The EEC played only a minor role in maintaining peace on the European continent, MAD and NATO ensured peace.
The EU has only played a minor role, if anything the thought of a United European Superpower has only served to threaten nations outside of its membership and thus actually destabilise world affairs.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

As long as there is not a large boom when the clock stops ticking eh?

Then again it's not the bang so much as the whimper that the majority of our nation will need to contend with where the implications of Brexit are concerned.

a reply to: andy06shake
Cheer up mate, you sound like you've given up and it's all doom. I'm excited, sure there will be challenges, but optimism is my gig with everything in life.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: sapien82

..... an there hasnt been any armed conflict in europe since the EU was formed !

I think that was more to do with NATO than the EU.

NATO was formed in 1949.
EEC was formed in 1957.
EU was formed in 1993.

NATO was formed in order to ensure peace in Europe.
EEC was formed in order to bring about economic integration between member states in a Free Trade Association.
EU was formed to drive through political union between member states.

The EEC played only a minor role in maintaining peace on the European continent, MAD and NATO ensured peace.
The EU has only played a minor role, if anything the thought of a United European Superpower has only served to threaten nations outside of its membership and thus actually destabilise world affairs.

The ECSC was formed in 51 with one if it's main aims being to ensure peace through economic cooperation.

It's impossible to quantify how much of relative peace we have had was caused by economic & political cooperation and how much by defence cooperation and the perveiced threat of the USSR.

However it's worth noting that Europe has a long history of military alliances that have rarely if ever guaranteed peace for long.

It's funny for such a ' destabilizing' influence how many country's were and are desperate to join.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

What can i say, where politics are concerned i tend to be a glass half empty type of fellow at the best of times.

Considering the dog and pony show sham window dressing for the masses notion that democracy turns out to be.

Brexit will be what it will be, no stopping it now or so it seems, end of the day it's the bankers, corporations and there political puppets that will profit whilst the rest of us are shafted and bent over the proverbial barrel.

So nothing new there if somewhat more localized to a fashion. LoL

a reply to: andy06shake
Maybe it's a regional thing, nothing really changes here except how many people come from other places to spend their money. Tourism is the main sector here and it trickles through to everyone in the end. When it's a good summer then the winter is less bleak financially for everyone.
This year has been fantastic, one of the best I've known. German and French tourist cars everywhere, I've spoken to loads and it's because the £ is cheap, it's a case of winners and losers and this year we are winning.

We have had many poor summer seasons and everyone is skint for the rest of the year, many...and we are a forgotten corner of the island which gets bugger all UK investment compared to say Scotland.
...but still my society is always half glass full, if we were miserable and half glass empty with sad faces nobody would come to visit.

...and again, on immigration, we will definitely have a fast track overseas worker visa scheme in place because the government knows we have to. The tourist industry would collapse without it, and tourism is hard foreign cash.

a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

Based on a recent visit to Cornwall what you really need is some infrastructure spending on roads.

Not sure if you guys know but your meant to be able to have cars go in both directions without someone having to drive into a hedge.