The Nimitz story in the former OMF forum

What is the general consensus, regarding the ufo event itself?.

I for one think the event happened....... Theres a Lot in the story to suggest it may have been 'ours' and what was witnessed was a clandestine test of sorts. The original release here was, i believe, a very genuine attempt by tft to get the info out in the firm belief of it being a ufo event... But times have moved on now and i cant help think that people involved with delonge know otherwise, but are selling it as a genuine ufo event to make dollar..... As a lot of previous ufology dudes have.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Thanks. I also found the info about it in the old thread here you bumped and went to archive.org and got a copy from 2007.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Perhaps you could clear something up for us Isaac as a legal professional?

All members of the US miltary are bound by The Uniform Code of Military Justice

To me, and of course others on the forum, the duplication of US government digital materials and subsequent reproduction and distribution of them online appear to be at best a murky grey era. But given what his video may portray then this appears to potentially be a violation of the above code.

What is your interpretation of the legal position here?

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: pigsy2400

Difference was TTSA's released was SANCTIONED BY THE PENTAGON....

Ohh you might wanna check that....

originally posted by: mirageman

What is your interpretation of the legal position here?

Not my country or my area of expertise (nor am I being paid...), so I wouldn't really want to venture much of a view - other than, as I've said to TFTR, if I were him I'd hesitate about jumping into anything.

Heck, I am sufficiently risk averse that I use a pseudonym just to avoid any ridicule that I might get from clients or colleagues in a rather old fashioned profession - so I'd certainly use a pseudonym for public participation in ufology in the circumstances surrounding TFTR.

a reply to: KansasGirl

I wonder why people here on ATS are so interested in this guy's legal troubles after 12 years...

Strange...

You know..you can't say certain things directly. Or at least I won't for reasons that have to do with being humane.

I know the history of UFO deceptions as well as anyone here, believe me.

And I know the facts we uncovered in this thread...and others. That’s called empirical evidence.

I don’t really want to discuss anymore this man's legal issues of what he did 12 years ago

I just don’t know why people here are so interested in debating that and worrying this guy

These things speak for themselves to people who can see.

You either can see or you don't see

And I'll say what I want to say...if you want to debate it bring it on...
I would, though, leave this guy alone

a reply to: Willtell

TFT isn't worried at this point. I trust him on that. He's enjoying watching the discussion develop and go in all kinds of directions. He's busy with family stuffs today. I don't think he'd mind me relaying that. He'll jump back in if and when he's ready.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: IsaacKoi

Thank you Issac for moving the conversation along...
Just one more piece of data: Newly released by BlackVault.....

Pentagon states that the videos SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RELEASED

Gov still believes Vidoes should not have been released

You sure seem to know JUST when to bring things up, RIGHT before something is going to happen with whatever you're bringing up.

You happen to mention the TFT thing, and what do you know, a few minutes later, who shows up here? TFT!

You bring up the issue of "the Pentagon sanctioned the release of those videos!" and juuuuust a few minutes later, it comes out that "The Pentagon didn't sanction the release of those videos!" (Most of us here on this board already knew that those videos were never officially released by any Pentagon or military or government entity eons ago)

Wow your timings sure are lucky aren't they? Must be a "neuroscientist" thing.

a reply to: IsaacKoi

Heck, I am sufficiently risk averse that I use a pseudonym just to avoid any ridicule...

But Isaac you've expressed your own interest in tracking down TFT and him/her sharing this information with you in this very thread..

Apart from several versions of the video file (including a longer version), thefinaltheory also stated he had a Powerpoint presentation that hasn't been posted yet....

Maybe. That's why ElevenAugust, me and a few others have spent quite a bit of time looking for him...

Even if he had the other material, that person may not have retained it. Even if he still has it, he may not be willing to share.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So surely, whether you were being paid or not, you have decided this situation is risk averse when dealing with 'potentially risky' US Navy material and searching out individuals for information like this online?

Your close involvement here suggests you have grounds for believing there are no legal problems. Nor does your pursuit of the identities of the persons and the files involved suggest this is of any risk to your own professional and personal reputation.

I find this most curious.

I don't think people are worried about him as much as wondering how easy it could be to get around Navy security. That's not good if those doing it are helping enemies (with or with knowledge of it) or enemies them self.

I would be more concerned for TFT's legal status if I thought this whole thing - the video, the original "leak", the incident itself, the whole formation and mission statement of TTSA - wasn't a steaming pile of bull#.

a reply to: mirageman

It is all fair to ask you, Isaac. You do deep dives into folks personal information (the example of TFT and Cometa works for now) and in that incidence played some pretty hard ball.

Considering you are, from the standpoint of the IC, surely someone who would seem to have at least been vetted in relation to the kinds of information you solicit.

Further, you seem to have developed some degree of working relationship with folk we have lots of questions about.

So, I'm thinking we're within the bounds of the rules of play in the ufological arena. Turnabout is fair play and all that. No offense. Just legitimate questions.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
I would be more concerned for TFT's legal status if I thought this whole thing - the video, the original "leak", the incident itself, the whole formation and mission statement of TTSA - wasn't a steaming pile of bull#.

Boom.

I just wanna hear if there is ANYTHING else he can remember not on the video that may shed light on the anomaly.

I'll check back in a year or two lol.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
I would be more concerned for TFT's legal status if I thought this whole thing - the video, the original "leak", the incident itself, the whole formation and mission statement of TTSA - wasn't a steaming pile of bull#.

True dat. Better OUT than IN, as the saying goes; alternatively: Publish and be Damned (or screamed at by the young guns). So here's my raw assertion so far.

I still don't know what to make of the whys and wherefores of TFT's 2007 contribution, but it's amazing how vague optimism for the overall Nimitz circus can quickly start crashing and burning. We've been here many times before (well, not me personally, but I've seen the wreckage trail of the past on ATS, eg the SERPO hoax and its associated TTSA goons), yet we still initially hold out a shaky branch of hope. Natural instincts soon take over. Ep 1 of 'Unidentified' was an immediate red-alert after never having dug deeply into the Nimitz case until Elizondo was prepared to show his full hand.

As soon as the irrational shadowy X-Filing of the female witness began, my heart sank like a stone, but TTSA know that hordes of WannaBelievers and unquestioning, even aggressive young guns will somehow make their endeavours worthwhile, so win-win... but Truth loses. The US military wins because they have their juicy UFO cover-story, which props up TTSA, too. Perfect.

Military tech distraction (for the future, not just Nov 2004) and UFOtainment profits are the name of the age-old game. All this Nimitz entertainment must be like hardcore pornography for seasoned self-proclaimed scammers like Dick Doty.

I hope I'm WRONG, of course; I'll just shove that in as a flyweight afterthought.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: KansasGirl

I wonder why people here on ATS are so interested in this guy's legal troubles after 12 years...

Strange...

You know..you can't say certain things directly. Or at least I won't for reasons that have to do with being humane.

I know the history of UFO deceptions as well as anyone here, believe me.

And I know the facts we uncovered in this thread...and others. That’s called empirical evidence.

I don’t really want to discuss anymore this man's legal issues of what he did 12 years ago

I just don’t know why people here are so interested in debating that and worrying this guy

These things speak for themselves to people who can see.

You either can see or you don't see

And I'll say what I want to say...if you want to debate it bring it on...
I would, though, leave this guy alone

Thank you.

It looks like thefinaltheory was banned. (the missing profile data). Is this true?

Just curious...

TFT, I have a few questions:

Did you ever post the video anywhere else online?

Ever been contacted by anyone official to get your take on the case?

If you were passionate about getting this info out why did you disappear after this one attempt on ATS? Why not try again?

Observations of an Actual UFO
thefinaltheory
posted on Feb, 3 2007 @ 00:33

I burnt all these files to a disk and stashed it somewhere, unfortunently I dont have it anymore....I've forgotten where i put it... though i think it might be out of state at a close relatives house...ugh...

well here is what the video was:

It was taken directly from the cockpit camera...

Yet you had the video and files the next day to be post here?

a reply to: KansasGirl

Hi KansasGirl,
My comments are respectfully posted below:

A "Top Secret military server?" How do you know that particular server was classified Top Secret?

This was a classified server. I won't go into details others can verify this point.

You either know a lot more about the intimate circumstamces on that boat than you're letting on

No...I don't know more than the rest of the public... however somehow my brilliant neuroscientist mind was able to
conjure TFT out of the blue.....so yes I do trust almost everything my neuroscientist mind is able to come up with......