North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official end to war

a reply to: Xcathdra

Finally!

I hope this doesn't go bad.
If it does it could get really bad...

Hmmm this is bad news for the MIC though...

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Xcathdra

Finally!

I hope this doesn't go bad.
If it does it could get really bad...

Hmmm this is bad news for the MIC though...

I hope so too, bud... this just smells fishy. I don't think it will end up very good for us.

And I'm joking here, but if it does go bad, according to this thread at least we will know who to blame... the man who made it all happen, the Pres!

I know, I know... he had nothing to do with it regardless of the outcome, but not everyone realizes that.

a reply to: Kharron

Personally I wouldn't blame anyone if it goes bad.
I'd just blame human nature, society and culture.

We are a disagreeable, angry, foolish, and violent lot.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Xtrozero

As I had to point out to another poster today already, I beg to differ.

Just as there is only one correct spelling of the word Aluminium (the one found in the UK version of English), the definition of left and right from a political perspective, do not change just because one happens to be on the American continent, as opposed to being stood upon the British Isles. The ability of the common person to correctly identify left and right does, but the definitions do not.

Put another way, there is the way we think about these things this side of the ocean (UK, Europe and so on, where the paradigm originated), and the wrong way, and only those two options.

I like your simple definition of left and right yet there seems to be a problem, here in America at least. The myriad '-isms'. It drives me nuts sometimes.

For example I just found out the other day that according to some here on ATS Liberals are evil warmongers! LOL I can't remember how many times I've had to look up definitions, like liberalism, just to see if they had changed because of some twisted version described on this site.

Oh, and... American Leftist here. I would be thrilled to see the Korean War end regardless the amount of influence by Donald Trump.

Even if the war in Korea ends, Kim Jong-Un apologizes and opens all borders allowing Koreans to reunite Trump will still be an idiot.

originally posted by: DoubleDNH

I really feel bad for you if you sincerely believe this garbage. The VAST majority of the "left" lives their lives just like you do and wants what's best for the country. They may have a different viewpoint on issues than you but good lord.. your comments are asinine and ignorant at best.

I agree to a point just as the vast majority of the right are not Trumpeters as is suggested. Most on both sides just work their jobs to take care of their families, but that is not what we see in Congress as the vast majority there are very divided into partisanship. It is also not what we see as 2018/2020 approaches with future nominations.

As we move on to the media and Hollywood with all that money, power and talent we sure do not see it there either. Average joes, as you suggest most of us are, start to believe in all that crap and who the hell do you think votes all this partisanship into office, who supports Hollywood to do what they do?

I do find it funny that the vast majority of what is spewed hourly from media has basically zero impact to our daily lives.

BTW do you think Trump should be impeached?

originally posted by: chrismarco
a reply to: Xcathdra

Very exciting to at a minimum see North Koreans enjoy some of the technological advances that are benefiting the rest of the world...or I hope it eventually heads in that direction...

Like fire and the wheel...

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Kharron

Personally I wouldn't blame anyone if it goes bad.
I'd just blame human nature, society and culture.

We are a disagreeable, angry, foolish, and violent lot.

We're talking global politics here, nothing is left to accident, and human nature is at its worst. Whatever happens or doesn't happen has been planned and worked towards for a while now. It is a part of a larger global plan.

But I agree with you, it would be silly to blame one person for it, or to laud one person for it -- especially if that person wasn't even involved.

originally posted by: cenpuppie
a reply to: Xcathdra

Because they dont like it when Trump is successful. In case you missed it the left was going nuts on Trump for his stance on N. Korea, claiming it would start a new war.

your insanity is affecting your judgement man.

1) the leaders of the left doesn't know what they want, for all intents and purposes the democratic party is non-defunct. that says nothing about the people. you need to differentiate that.

2) as for the right, see number one. they did the exact same thing, would you like the links for Foxnews?

3) Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this. it was both the koreas that decided to sit down and talk. but please take all the credit if you want, i know it helps you folks sleep at night.

The leaders of both don't want Trump to succeed.

Why did they decide to sit down and talk now, and why would it might actually come to fruition now, as opposed to the last few years and decades? What changed?

originally posted by: Devino


Even if the war in Korea ends, Kim Jong-Un apologizes and opens all borders allowing Koreans to reunite Trump will still be an idiot.

I think that sums up my previous posts... No matter how successful this administration is "Trump will still be an idiot". He is quickly passing Obama in successes, so I'm not sure what that makes Obama then...lol

a reply to: Xcathdra

Scanning SoKo English news sites, no word of this.

originally posted by: fleabit

originally posted by: CajunMetal
I’m amazed that it’s the ‘lefty’ issue that’s caught on in this thread and not the endlessly fascinating question as to where that leaves the US military and it’s interests.

It's more important to many folks here, to embarrass, make fun of, and ridicule others of a different mindset, than the pesky little news that a major conflict that affects the U.S. (soldier-wise), and much of Asia.

It's not ridicule but rather calling out the obvious attempt to further the political divide between left and right. Personally I'm tired of it. American left and right have more in common than many care to admit.

What's wrong with a little embarrassment? Shamming people into doing the right thing actually works. Humility can be a great teacher.

a reply to: Xtrozero

He [Trump] is quickly passing Obama in successes, so I'm not sure what that makes Obama then...lol

Good Lord, if that were only true!

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Why did they decide to sit down and talk now, and why would it might actually come to fruition now, as opposed to the last few years and decades? What changed?

I'd say it's because Baby Kim can now reach the U.S. Going to war and breaking #, then charging the owners of said # to fix it again is a great business model.
Except when they can break our #. That's when # gets serious.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454


Why did they decide to sit down and talk now, and why would it might actually come to fruition now, as opposed to the last few years and decades? What changed?

I ask the same question...why not under Obama's 8 years of world Kum ba yah leadership? Why not under Bush's Fire and Fury, why not under anyone else in the last 60 years?

Why did France join us in this latest chemical attack repercussion? You all know that France that doesn't agree with the US on just about everything, why now?

The narrative that Trump is not a world leader seems to be incorrect by the actual actions of the world.

originally posted by: Devino
a reply to: Xtrozero

He [Trump] is quickly passing Obama in successes, so I'm not sure what that makes Obama then...lol

Good Lord, if that were only true!

A failed Obamacare and 800 billion wasted on, who really knows, stimulus plan in Obama's first two year, its not like Trump really needs to work hard at it..

It is hard for me to believe the DMZ will change. If the borders did open the south would be flooded with people fleeing the north mixed with a lot of spies. The silent war would continue in the shadows.

China supports NK to keep a buffer zone between US allies and themselves the whole damn thing is far more complicated than most people can imagine.

sounds like great news but why does the cynical sceptic in me worry about a united korea and aspirations of greatness in the region?

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
sounds like great news but why does the cynical sceptic in me worry about a united korea and aspirations of greatness in the region?

Because there's a cloud in the middle of every silver lining?

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
Why did they decide to sit down and talk now, and why would it might actually come to fruition now, as opposed to the last few years and decades? What changed?

I'd say it's because Baby Kim can now reach the U.S. Going to war and breaking #, then charging the owners of said # to fix it again is a great business model.
Except when they can break our #. That's when # gets serious.

That doesn't jive with his past behavior and rhetoric. Seems like if he had that advantage he'd be pressing it for a larger piece of the Korean pie, or sanctions being lifted etc. Only reason I say that is because from what I've read, his ability to hit the US was speculation.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
It is hard for me to believe the DMZ will change. If the borders did open the south would be flooded with people fleeing the north mixed with a lot of spies. The silent war would continue in the shadows.

China supports NK to keep a buffer zone between US allies and themselves the whole damn thing is far more complicated than most people can imagine.

It is more about lifting sanctions and allowing support and trade to NK from SK even if the people part is limited. Old Kim wants to go to Paris in the Spring, and a million other things that he can't as he lives out his life in a prison. If the war was over then as you suggest a new era of cold war type engagement would start, BUT the people there would be fed, AND maybe they would start to experience a small taste of what the rest of the world sees as basic living.