North and South Korea reportedly set to announce official end to war

It would be awesome that North Korea and South Korea put aside their differences, embrace each other. But it won't go easy, and not necessarily due to them. War is business and any sign of peace will have vermin scurrying about trying to undermine it. America likes having a strong force there.

If it is not North Korea the villain is going to be someone else. Not to say that I am not happy about this turn of events, especially for the millions living in the region.., but it starts to scratch me that ''warning'' at the back of my head... ''Who's going to take NK's place?'.

a reply to: sapien82

I think a bigger part of the problem with Laos Cambodia and Vietnam is that the mines are everywhere and in random locations, atleast the DMZ is a specific area, even if a large one

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Xcathdra

About time really.

Stuff being one of the unlucky sods that undertake the task of the removal of about a million landmines all the same, i hope the hazard pays worth it!

Robot!!! Drone minesweeps can fly over the ground, detect chemicals or metal and then drop flags.

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: FlyingFox

I think Mike Diva is more liberal than me; he has blue hair at least, haha. And he's worked in Hollywood. I'm saying, just because someone is not rabidly opposing Trump doesn't make them not-liberal. Not sure if I'd call that video counterculture, either. That kind of hyper-ironical style with memes and 80's nostalgia is pretty mainstream. But of course compared to CNN or something, it's counterculture for sure.

On the other hand, we have...



Somewhat less creative.

The South Korean president itself said that Trump helped with the talks with Kim Jon Un. CIA director was in the talks with Kim Jon Un last week. You guys just don't wanna see the truth, that Trump is soothing the relations. Your minds are just made it up, be careful to read just what you want to see. Congrats you just turned into a zombie

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Pyle
Anyone have any information on the supposed collapse of NK's nuclear testing site and the start of these peace talks? Is it possible the cause is do to NK losing its nuclear capability?

Whatever works.

True but if their Nuke program is dead this may be done in good faith, but if it is still active NK could be using these coming talks as a way of legitimizing their government and nuke program at the same time.

I am all for a formal end of the war but we also need to make sure a dictator isnt made stronger for it.

I don't believe it. Too good to be true. Rather it senses of a big big trap.

originally posted by: Astrophysicist
The South Korean president itself said that Trump helped with the talks with Kim Jon Un. CIA director was in the talks with Kim Jon Un last week. You guys just don't wanna see the truth, that Trump is soothing the relations. Your minds are just made it up, be careful to read just what you want to see. Congrats you just turned into a zombie

Is it normal and healthy for the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency to have a good relationship with a dictator who has threatened to nuke the United States? Doesn't that strike any of you Conspiracy Theorists as being just a bit creepy?

originally posted by: DJW001

Is it normal and healthy for the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency to have a good relationship with a dictator who has threatened to nuke the United States? Doesn't that strike any of you Conspiracy Theorists as being just a bit creepy?

Huh. And I thought it was just me.

Either way, I'm cautiously optimistic about the proceedings... but yeah. It's a tad creepy.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Astrophysicist
The South Korean president itself said that Trump helped with the talks with Kim Jon Un. CIA director was in the talks with Kim Jon Un last week. You guys just don't wanna see the truth, that Trump is soothing the relations. Your minds are just made it up, be careful to read just what you want to see. Congrats you just turned into a zombie

Is it normal and healthy for the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency to have a good relationship with a dictator who has threatened to nuke the United States? Doesn't that strike any of you Conspiracy Theorists as being just a bit creepy?

Trump is going to have a huge win here if this happens. So....im kinda picking up what your putting down here.

Add to it the Russia dealio with Syria.

He has stumbled into somehow being prodigious on foreign policy. And it smells manufactured.

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Is it normal and healthy for the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency to have a good relationship with a dictator who has threatened to nuke the United States? ...

It makes absolutely no sense at all. You didn't even need the last half of your sentence. It is not normal (or healthy) to have the Director of the CIA to be serving in the role of a diplomat at all, regardless of who he's meeting with! This is a function of the Dept of State, the President or his VP (or possibly a designee, but not the Dir of the CIA).

Think about it, what is this person going to be able to say? "Come hither, little Kim, let me tell you a great secret?" (wink-wink)

Doesn't that strike any of you Conspiracy Theorists as being just a bit creepy?

Not only just creepy, but wrong and quite frankly very disturbing! The CIA causes enough trouble already without letting them start doing the nation's bidding behind closed doors. Since it's inception the CIA has started far more wars than it has ended. Why should Korea be any different? What, do they need some drugs there? Perhaps they have some to sell. The CIA is apparently pretty good at that, and then starting a nice big fat juicy war in return.

Keep the CIA out of negotiations with N. Korea!

originally posted by: TheGOAT

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: TheGOAT

if he did indeed broker the peace deal i will say kudos, i wish the right could have been as appreciative as i was when obama extended a peace branch to iran and cuba, obama did a lot of things i was not happy with but i was happy with him trying to bring iran and cuba in to the modern world.

Obama didn't extend any peace branch, he handed Iran billion of dollars in cold hard cash. That's about it.

IT WAS THEIR CASH....

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Xtrozero

I am saying that the US is NOT permitted to come up with its own definition for these things. They are actually universal, its just that certain people are too bloody thickheaded to understand them correctly. Left and right do NOT change meaning, just because one happens to have arrived in the United States of America and to suggest otherwise, indicates a total abandonment of reason. These ideas, this paradigm, was developed specifically for the purpose of defining the politics of the entire world, so that people involved in politics could more rapidly understand a given situation, no matter where they were from, no matter where they happened to be.

That means that like the laws governing physics and mathematics, they do not change just because one happens to be living a great deal of distance from the origin point of the mode of thought involved.

You are kind of lecturing me on basic ideas that you seem to think is all you need to meet your definition as to what left represents. I can say you are wrong too since with the left/right definition they were at first aligned with whether you were for the king (right) or wanted to limit the king's power (left), and I'm sure that is not what you see as left.

Those ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism I agree are basic left fundamentals, but then by your reasoning all of these on the left spectrum of anarchists, communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats, left-libertarians, progressives, social liberals, racial equality and unionism, to name a few, are seen as the same too since they all fall under "left". When I say American left is not EU left I'm not suggesting different basic fundamentals as much as where everyone is placed within the political spectrum.


BTW Physics and math are concrete...politics is abstract... big differences there my friend. 2 +2 is not always 4 in politics...

originally posted by: Egoismyname
If it is not North Korea the villain is going to be someone else. Not to say that I am not happy about this turn of events, especially for the millions living in the region.., but it starts to scratch me that ''warning'' at the back of my head... ''Who's going to take NK's place?'.

I say 70 years is enough time for them.

I'm hoping the next one is in a warmer place with nice beaches...

North Korea has dropped its long-held demand that the United States withdraw forces from South Korea in exchange for denuclearization, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said Thursday.

The United States has about 28,000 troops stationed in South Korea, a presence that has long irked North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

However, in the burgeoning spirit of openness and diplomacy, Moon said Kim is willing to give up US troops' removal as a precondition for discussions over denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula.

"North Korea has expressed willingness to give up its nuclear p

Source

a reply to: Chickensalad

Wow... thats major.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Chickensalad

Wow... thats major.

That's what I thought.
I think Kim is watching his options slowly diminish.

President Donald Trump has given his "blessing" for North and South Korea to discuss the end of the Korean War amid a diplomatic push to end the North Korean nuclear standoff. One problem: There can be no real talks without the involvement of the other countries that fought the 1950-53 war, and especially the United States.

The reason is that South Korea wasn't a direct signatory to the armistice that stopped the fighting but left the Korean Peninsula still technically in a state of war.

The armistice was signed by the U.S.-led United Nations Command, North Korea and China. South Korea was a member of the U.N. Command but was not a direct signatory.

abcnews.go.com - Korean leaders can discuss peace, but can't end Korean War.

Peace is a good thing. Being in a perpetual state of war is not good for a nation's mental health. However long and how many billions (not to mention lives), this "war" has gone on, an end cannot come soon enough.

But this is a UN matter between them, China, and North Korea. It sure is easy to start a war but even tougher to end one. Legal matters (who owes who what amount; how will reprimands be made; who gets blamed for what part? Do they follow today's law or as it was at the armistice? etc.) are the start of a long process. This war did not start in my lifetime. I doubt that all those questions will be answered by the end of it either!

Again, end of hostilities, our troops home, a safer world, the end of nuclear weapon proliferation, a unified Korea where families can finally see each other after all these decades,... all good things! Great things, really!

Until all three parties sign on the dotted line to make it official, it ain't over 'til its over.

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In defence of my fellow americans, the slide away from reason is a product of the environment. While I agree fully with your logic here, the modern americans are indoctrinated with the falsehood of causation correlation at every turn. The dividing lines used in America to control the populace emphasizes the overjustification of judgement and labels. We are specifically taught to use blame to justify immorality, inequality and horror. This causes us to develop only our own perspective, think of it like a defence mechanism. And the bulk of us are kept so busy trying to succeed in this system we don't have a lot of time for critical thinking. So please don't judge us to harshly, when the world we witness is pushed by capitalists to tell us how to think, (six companies own all media, and fear sells.) The commoner is pushed into false dichotomy. I personally hope that everything works out and lasting peace can be achieved but I have to make sure I get to work on time so I can eat, and my food is more important for survival. (And yes I understand personal responsibility fixes this but I don't see a lot of that on the ground over here)