Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Kevin2024

It's been my opinion for some time, that it's non-us researchers who know more about UAP's .....

That's probably an oversimplification Kev.

From any 'military intelligence' angle Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (you can probably add Israel and South Africa in there as well) all work very closely together to snoop on the rest of the world. What they really know about UFOs I suspect is compartmentalized. If it ever gets pooled together then it could be interesting but somehow doubt we've got alien bodies on ice somewhere.

However from a researchers point of view I think it's important to point out there are some good guys in the US. You've probably guessed from the OP that I have great respect for Jack Brewer and his UFO Trail Blog, Jim Oberg and Tim Printy are uber-skeptics but they back up their cases very well. On the other hand I also have time for Kevin Randle and Richard Dolan. What spoils it is the myriad of personalities in UFOtainment or 'spooks' poisoning the well who live in America.

Generally speaking ufology elsewhere is a little more conservative and less prone to hyperbole with the exception of a certain Mexican guy I could mention!

originally posted by: Kevin2024
a reply to: 1ofthe9
I think ultimately their plan to find the next super RV'er will fail, because even
if they get the genetic/brain markers down, there is a SOCIAL ASPECT of letting
yourself be infected with little esoteric larvae, who then use your body as part
of their life-cycle (or conversely, it's equally possible that you form the ltitle
lifeform like a self-built, internally hosted egregore --- honestly I don't know
which of two possibilities is the one that happens).

I've noticed that there seems to be two schools of thought among our government friends.

1) Everyone is capable of RVing/weird feats with training. This seems to be the opinion of John Alexander, or at least, that's what I got from his book.
2) These abilities are genetic, and some people are basically naturals at it (Pat Price). The Soviets and Kit Green seem to be of this school of thought.

I think it's interesting to see how opinions differ. I've noticed one or two times where the larvae thing seems to be on the tip of their tongues (Alexander at Hutchison's lab, Green at Livermore), but neither of them really touch on this.

edit: also re: non-US research - one place that rarely gets discussed is China... I have found some pretty interesting stuff about Dr. Tsien that could be of interest.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Kevin2024

It's been my opinion for some time, that it's non-us researchers who know more about UAP's .....

That's probably an oversimplification Kev.

I should have said "maybe" instead of "probably".

But I was making the same point, that America is full of disinformation and noisy buffoons,
who would NOT be missed, except by the people buying their crack coc aine (disinformation)
from them for a monthly subscription fee.

Kev

a reply to: Kevin2024

You wouldn't be speaking about "Mirth Files" by any chance would you Kev?

a reply to: 1ofthe9

I have a third opinion...

Now yes, genetic factors are huge.. for example people with high-functioning autistm
might be more prone.. or maybe people who are descendants of Atilla the Hun say..
(like some sioux indians are).

but what it all boils down to, is a person has to have a very flexible sense of self..

Now I studied some advaitists (not two, but one) who are like Jesus freaks without Jesus..
they are 'all is one' freaks... and some of them are like 50 killowatt arc lamps of raw
"spiritual" (whatever that means) power. I know one. They can rewire susciptible
people's brains across the continent.

I'm not really talking "spirituality" per se, as you know.. I'm talking more about
things like in the book "Electric UFO's" by Budden, but call it spirituality if you
want...

In that book, Mr Budden explained the markers for these type of capabilities, and he
was correct.. I've seen the markers many times over in "spiritual seekers" like I was.

One of the main ones, is to have a "broken personality" (to have been a severe abuse
victim like I was) or to be an Advaitist, or someone like that.. who has such a light
self footprint, that there is room for another "proxy self" to form, which has more
access to the brains capabiltiies and/or EM-like potential. (the brain doesn't do
much EM.. but it might not take much either).

I've been researching this since I was 8 years old.. and I'm 56 years old now.

I had wanted to either prove/partially prove/or disprove some of my experience/theories
in a lab, but it doesn't appear that will be happening. I had originally started my multi-million
dollar home business, to fund this myself if necessary.. but life didn't allow me to spend that
cash on research, before ex-wives and other factors drained it mostly away.

Even dark physics sorcerers are scared to go where I've been, and they may not research
it. You have to let a part of yourself "die" you know.. most don't have the stomach for it.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Kevin2024

You wouldn't be speaking about "Mirth Files" by any chance would you Kev?

No!

Have a link? I could use a laugh.

a reply to: Kevin2024

Yeah, the US, being the new Rome, is even worried about opposition from the skies

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Kevin2024

Yeah, the US, being the new Rome, is even worried about opposition from the skies

Well supposedly the US is trying to convince China and Russia that there's weird stuff
to investigate, to tie them into knots and slow down their overtaking the US
as the world's last superpower (until China claims that role).

i think that's overthinking things a bit much, and I hope that "US Intelligence"
isn't actually that dim and petty. But who knows?

a reply to: Kevin2024

I'll give you a clue.

Someone who tells anyone who will listen about the different aliens visiting Earth, the hybrid program, the abductions, even MJ12 and SERPO are true. Crop circles, which mainly occur in England and any emergency services driver in Wiltshire will be able to tell you are made by people - not aliens in spaceships, are also created by aliens.

But no one in radio or TV land dare tackle her about it. Instead they praise her research. What is it about this women that no one has the testicles to tell her to shut up, stop making everything up and about her and calling her bluff?

The bovine excretion she spouts and is allowed to spread without any challenge on TV and radio is rather suspicious.



I suspect that if she hasn't gone mad from eating too much prion infected beef then she is actually on the payroll of the magicians.

Frankly, I haven't bothered with this thread because I'm convinced anything Delonge is involved with is dis- or mis- info and (IMHO) not worth the effort of following up on. That is not to say anything disparaging about the OP, it is obvious MM has put a lot of work and presented solid information in this thread.

All that being said, as per a PM I received:

a reply to: The GUT

So keeping in mind questions of National Security and the numerous connections to the Intelligence Community to this "disclosure" effort, do we have any idea of the breadth of Bigelow's current projects with the various government entities? Types and dollar figures?

Good day to you good sir!

Not having gone though the entire thread as of yet, I did mange an initial scratch and sniff to find the following:

NNH13CH31C $17.8 M contract with Bigelow Aerospace, Llc in North Las Vegas, NV

Contract ID: NNH13CH31C

Award Type: Definitive Contract (Award)

Set Aside: None

Period of Performance: 12/20/12 - 12/19/17 (5 years)

NNH13CH31C: UNDER THIS CONTRACT, THE CONTRACTOR SHALL CONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE AND OPERATE THE BIGELOW EXPANDABLE ACTIVITY MODULE (BEAM) ON-BOARD THE INTERNATIONAL SPACE STATION (ISS). THIS EFFORT IS FOR PHASE 2 OF THE BEAM ISS DEMONSTRATION MODULE PROJECT, AND ESTABLISHES THE REQUIREMENTS, PERFORMANCE METRICS, COSTS, AND MANAGEMENT OF THE EFFORT THAT WILL BE USED TO DESIGN, DELIVER, AND OPERATE THE BEAM.

Inside Gov

And

NNH15CN82C $745 k contract with Bigelow Aerospace, Llc in North Las Vegas, NV

Contract ID: NNH15CN82C

Award Type: Definitive Contract (Award)

Set Aside: None

Period of Performance: 7/31/15 - 8/31/17 (2 years)

NNH15CN82C: THE FOCUS OF THIS CONTRACT FOR NEXTSTEP CONCEPUTAL STUDIES LEVERAGING THE B330 EHM IN NASA'S NEXT SPACE TECHNOLOGIES FOR EXPLORATION PARTNERSHIP. THIS CONTRACT IS A RESULT OF A BROAD AGENCY ANNOUNCEMENT NNH15ZCQ001K. THE CONTRACTOR WILL INVESTIGATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF CONCEPT OF OPERATIONS STUDIES, TECHNICAL INVESTIGATIONS, AND EXCHANGES WITH NASA THAT RESULT IN A ENGINEERING UNITS, A QUALIFICATION MODEL, AND PROTOFLIGHT EHMS. THE CONTRACTOR WILL PARTICIPATE IN TECHNICAL INTERCHANGE AND CONCEPT REVIEW MEETINGS THAT RESULT IN INFORMATION AND SHARING OPPORTUNITIES.

Inside Gov

Another potential avenue to explore:

WASHINGTON — Space Systems Loral, seeking to expand its government business, has named a longtime Bigelow Aerospace executive as its new head of Washington operations.

SSL announced May 9 that it has hired Michael Gold, formerly director of D.C. operations and business growth for Bigelow Aerospace, as its new vice president of Washington operations. Gold, the company said in a statement, will help the company build up a Washington presence as it seeks to do more business with U.S. government agencies.

“Expanding our DC-area office demonstrates our commitment to further build on the work we are doing with U.S. government agencies,” said John Celli, president of SSL, in a statement. “Michael Gold brings a wealth of experience with both civil and defense organizations and will strengthen our ability to make a contribution to government programs.”

Spacenews

When I have more time, I will make a point to go through the OP links in more detail and see if I can shake out anything further.

Fact:

The Usual Suspects, or what some call the Aviary, have for decades been meandering around the UFO community and luring people into false expectations of UFO truths


Fact:

Whatever these government people are doing they don’t care that their exposed.


FACT: They have been attached to numerous UFO hoaxes over the decades, only to reanimate at intervals of UFO interest to proceed with new hoaxes


Fact: They seem to operate by always attaching themselves to UFO researchers, or as Grant Cameron calls them, Messiahs.


Opinion: I believe, and I’ve studied this a long time, they merely exist to destabilize the UFO community for various reasons having to do with some distorted sense of security.

Opinion: Kit Green, one of The Usual Suspects, is merely a government psychologist who thinks he’s manipulating the deluded or studying the deluded.

Their also afraid of cults and Messiahs being created, from a security angle.

Speculation: Why all of a sudden they have allowed somewhat positive press on UFOs, may have I believe, something to do with the creation of the TTS academy.

Extrapolation:

Most of the US government security apparatus exists to keep the status quo intact: No massive invasion (physical or mental) of foreign religions, foreign ideologies other than capatilism, and even “foreign” aliens.

This crew, The Usual Suspects, is the security apparatuses team to keep this foreign, UFO/Alien phenomenon down.

They have succeeded in spades.

In the US there will never be any huge social phenomenon like a new religion, UFO based or not, because the security apparatus will make sure any social group outside of Anglo/capatilism stays marginal, and that includes space aliens. Sure, they’ll be cults and sects here and there but they’ll get infinitesimal pieces of the huge American pie.

One reason they may be allowing a milder press regarding UFOs is they’ve finally realized, regarding cult and social movements formation, that the American pie is so solidified into western capatilism as their God, all other gods don’t have a prayer to carve out any substantial piece of the American pie.

The American culture is cemented

Once one knows the reason for the American security complex, its not far to comprehend the motivation behind their occult and open activities

a reply to: Kevin2024

Well supposedly the US is trying to convince China and Russia that there's weird stuff ....

I hope that "US Intelligence" isn't actually that dim and petty. But who knows?

It's not just the US. We have the clever boys and girls at GCHQ, MOSSAD, CSIS, ASIS, NZSIS, SASS and other friendly 'spooks' all on the same side. What doesn't seem to happen, is that any of those people in those organisations go around looking at woo stuff, it somehow leaks out to the public and they end up talking about it in public.

So the agenda of the intel services in the United States has to be somewhat different than that of the Commonwealth nations, Western Europe and Israel. The question is why?

a reply to: mirageman

That's a clever graphic. I didn't know she was that powerful and protected.

I view her as a pathetic hack and that opinion took about 15 mintues to form.
(5 minutes to form, and 10 minutes to triple check that I was being fair to her).

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Thank you ever so much, JC. You are an ATS treasure in my book, Sir.

In light of this most recent explosion of UNPRECEDENTED ET-friendly MSM coverage--and with Team Bigelow/Aviary once again all up in it--it can only behoove us "seekers" to get as clear a picture as possible on whom, or what, we're dealing with.

Now, who is Michael Gold (besides being then new VP of Washington operations) my mind asks? Maybe neither here nor there, then again...

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

isn't posting PM's, even with permission, against the terms and conditions?
I'm not giving you a hard time, I'm looking out for you.

a reply to: Kevin2024

He didn't post the pm, Kev. He said he got one. It was from me asking for his help and his help is much appreciated.

a reply to: Kevin2024

I appreciate that.

To be clear, I did not post any of the PM, only the fact that there was one sent in which it was requested that I take a look at particular aspect to this thread. Plus, what he said.



a reply to: The GUT

You are most certainly welcome!

a reply to: Willtell

Your post seems to have some merit.

But whatever else they are supposed to be doing, even if it's shady business, most of the scientists
involved really DO believe in some form of the supernatural/xdim aliens/new science.
I'm 100% certain, as I know some of these people.

Kit Green may go on about mental illness a lot, but you know what? He's correct!
With sprinkles on top. It's not only UFO and conspiracy nuts, but most of the religious
and fervent political people too.

I'll buy all sorts of suppression and distortion campaigns as a general premise, but
when you've got a fervent scientist involved.. they aren't trying to disprove
"real UFO's" in most cases.. they really do want to discover new science.

Kev

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Kevin2024

He didn't post the pm, Kev. He said he got one. It was from me asking for his help and his help is much appreciated.

Great. we need all the talented help we can get.

a reply to: mirageman

Do you have a theory?

I'm out of my depth on this question.

You and others are master spook hunters / documenters, I just sit on the sidelines
and greatly appreciate your work.

I'm more of a metaphysics / pseudoscience spitballer guy, as you know.

BTW, question, do you see much of a change since the Kenneth Arnold days
to this day? Any patterns?

Let's discount the TDL nonsense for a moment.

Thanks for your opinion.

Kev