Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Kevin2024

It's bedtime in Blighty Kev.

We can catch up tomorrow.

Wow this is just about the best thread i have ever read on ATS and is the exact reason i used to spend hours into the night reading up on threads on here, most of it is above my head but wow love it

This is what ATS is all about non of that political nonsense

mirageman

This thread is not about Russia being involved with Roswell and it really has no relevance either.

Actually, the paragraph you quote is relevant within the context of the whole post I made. The Russia/Roswell thing is as you say not directly linked to the topic of this thread, but is indirectly relevant to the points I made in the whole post.

From reading the discussions, you all seem pretty grounded to reality and not taken in by flights of imaginative fancy, or afflicted by paraphrenia, which is a sort of filling in the blanks with flights of fancy in children, a normative behaviour, but in adults is considered a chronic psychosis.

All my postings to this thread will orbit around the premise I made in the opening of my first post here...

When UFO researchers become more of a deeper mystery than the subject itself, suspicion quite rightly, has to be raised.

For all we know, the UFO subject could be just one long ongoing psychological study of the general public, on how it reacts to 'strangeness' occurring within their normal routine? The imputations of such a study (if it were real) can only be speculated on. The rest of the post from which you quoted is all hypothetical. I prefer posters to think about the things they write about, and any claims that they make, and just exactly what it would entail for their claims to be true. If they did that, they would see through the fog of obfuscation, and deny any grounding of 'strangeness' in their life. Scepticism is not a lifestyle stance, its a self-inculcated mindful defence through the analysis of what others claim, no matter who makes the claim, or how qualified they are.

Apparently Bigelow had an experience of a UFO when he was quite young, and it would seem that that experience has been driving him (obsessively so) on a personal level ever since. He's looking (as an experient) for its validation, as a business man he may be looking for profitable avenues of new technology? He certainly seems to have a bee in his bonnet regarding the ufo subject.

Delonge and Co are just a circus, and from my own perspective lack all credibility as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't trust them with a cup of coffee.

Boy we got all the cynics and skeptics out of the woodwork!

And I bet the IC agents looking for reactions

Keep em guesing

a reply to: elysiumfire

For all we know, the UFO subject could be just one long ongoing psychological study of the general public, on how it reacts to 'strangeness' occurring within their normal routine?

In the US yeah, but the foreign UFO experiences illustrate something unknown is going on.

The US cases have been polluted by the security services in the US.

mm, I think should have also added

Road to TTS academy


It should be clear this new ‘disclosure” is based on TDL’s exploitation.

Sometimes we get too bogged down in talking about all these aviary, Usual Suspects, crew. That’s all right it’s a part of the whole or hole, more precisely, but this issue far transcends these agents of the security complex… We know who they are and what they’ve done and are doing now. Though, Bigelow is still a mystery

TDL is transparent, he’s a name he attaches to ghost written books and now he’s got 5 ghosts behind him in his TTS Academy.

Now it stands to reason that these security agents have an agenda to spread hoaxes and also spread themselves so we’ll be distracted from something. What, is the question….?

Are they really hiding something behind the smoke screen of themselves and their hoaxes?

Are we barking up the wrong tree in the UFO search for answers by always being distracted by these characters and the intrigue of their antics ?

Probably so

originally posted by: Willtell
Boy we got all the cynics and skeptics out of the woodwork!

And I bet the IC agents looking for reactions

Keep em guesing

Yeah, who invited the Skeptics to our Official Disclosure parade? That's not how this was supposed to go at ALL!


Sorry guys, the cat has left the bag. And by 'cat' I mean 'lens flare'. And now all that's left is to find out who this Delonge fellow REALLY is...

*pulls off mask*

...why it's Old Man Bigelow, the owner of the haunted amusement park!


Jinkies, indeed.

a reply to: Iridomyrmex

I've been enjoying your posts, Iridomyrmex. Delonge and To The Stars Academy, etc., seem to have really captured your attention. Like all of it as far as ATS is concerned.

May I politely and sincerely ask what it is about this particular bit of, ahem, "Disclosure" that has motivated your interest? Asking for a friend.

Do you happen to have any insight into any of the players discussed here? Please say yes.

originally posted by: Kevin2024

But whatever else they are supposed to be doing, even if it's shady business, most of the scientists
involved really DO believe in some form of the supernatural/xdim aliens/new science.
I'm 100% certain, as I know some of these people.

Kit Green may go on about mental illness a lot, but you know what? He's correct!
With sprinkles on top. It's not only UFO and conspiracy nuts, but most of the religious
and fervent political people too.

Would that make Kit a Paraphrenic then?

“The whole subject,” Jim says in wonderfully measured speech, “is composed of three components: delusion, sociological groupthink, and a kernel of truth.” Jim then reminds that he is first and foremost a medical scientist. “My interest in this subject is much, much more professional than it is personal. That is, 90 to 95% of all persons who are engaged fully with this [UFO] subject are psychiatrically ill, and by that I mean that they are on medication or should be.” Jim elaborates that “viral memes,”[see below] in which disturbed people seek validation in numbers on the web, is, or should be, a growing public health concern. That said, Jim nonetheless has a real interest in UFO’s, and seemingly with good reason.

Makes me wonder what kind of medication he's on...or should be.

a reply to: The GUT

Well you know, the "person in charge" who sets the standards is never "crazy".
It's always everyone else.

And if you asked any of these "guys" whether they believed in "X", they will probably say
that they think the possibility exists, but it would need to be confirmed.

Yet they spend their entire lives chasing after this stuff, which tends to make a lie of
their clinically detatched answers..

The following is a reply I posted in another thread a few weeks ago. It seems as or more pertinent here. Any opinion is appreciated.

A few questions I have in regards to the genesis of the AATIProgram .

What did Senator Harry Reid receive in the ‘quid pro quo’ with Robert Bigelow.

Reid has no business initiating this program with out receiving some kind of personal gain.

It also just happened to be initiated in the first year of Reid’s most influential and powerful position in his career ‘ US Senate Majority Leader’.

Reid has been criticized in the past for directly benefiting his 5 sons whom are all political lobbyists . The latest being his youngest son Josh who was handed the 200k a year state sponsored position of City Attorney of Henderson , Nevada in a 4-0 vote appointment for an already chaired position ( LA Times).

Not that my major concerns are about the underhanded happenings that had to take place to start this program. but I do think the truth is the best road to travel and transparency is required to assure information gleaned from this program and in future endeavors is not tainted.

I also wonder where is Bigelow in all this. My opinion is that this entire program is Bigelow. He initiated it through Reid.

This is his baby.

Bigelow had to have outlined the architecture of the program. Reid was in no position to outline specifics of how the program would work and distribution of funding.

My guess is that Bigelow may even had recommended Elizondo for the lead position ( through possible DOD contractor conversations). Why was Elizondo selected for the position? His education/ Work history lead nothing to aeronautics. He was selected because Bigelow had to have known he was a go getter. And would take the position seriously with even an eye to be a part of TTS after the program expired which I still think TTS is puppetted by Bigelow behind the scenes.

I believe AATIP to be bogus.

So Harry Reid and two other senators did this. Very convenient the two senators who supposed to sponsor this are not here to talk about it. Theodore Stevens and Senators Daniel Inouye are both dead!

This operation is about TTS academy. They have plans for that group and everything in this story revolves around them, not this FAKE AATIP program.

22 million dollars is a meager sum to study something like this for five years, it’s pure, I believe, BS and made up.

Read this nonsense and tell me this was a real program

It was secret but not classified.

Has any others come forth and said they were in this program only some guy saying it didn’t work too well.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP)[1] was a secret investigatory effort funded by the United States government to study unidentified flying objects, but it was not classified. It was first made public on December 16, 2017. The program began in 2007, with funding of $22 million over the five years until the available appropriations were ended in 2012.[2][3] The program began in the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency.[4] Although the official AATIP program has ended, a related group of interested professionals have extended the effort in a nonprofit organization called, 'To the Stars Academy of Arts & Science.'[5]

As for these videos, there's no chain of evidence where they even came from.

AATIP, and those videos, which amount to crumbs from the UFO research material, are all a gift to TTS Acadamy so they could get off to a big start

Why are they doing this, I have no idea what plans they have for this group.

Keep looking

Ran across this and, yeah, they're some pretty good questions for Mr. Elizondo. Not that he'll be answering them anytime soon, but it's a good example of the kind of questions that suggest answers.

Top questions and doubts about UFO whistleblower, Luis Elizondo

a reply to: The GUT

Mr. Elizondo was the first certain indication to me that this was all made up.

I would just ask him if he was still on the US payroll


At least were learning from the past.

a reply to: mirageman

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the quotes of me are accurate.
I think I have solved the mystery of the UFO technology .
Jack Sarfatti

My few thoughts on this entire saga (great thread, by the way):

• Robert Bigelow is up to something, and I very much doubt it's anything good. If half the stuff that George Knapp reports as happening at Skinwalker Ranch was true, that alone would be enough to blow the entire question of paranormal phenomena wide open. His buying the site and NIDS suddenly going dark is highly suspicious, and that's without even starting on the financial connections and MUFON tampering.
  
• Believe very little of anything associated with abduction, and specifically just ignore David Jacobs. He's at best a hack with an agenda to push, and several more serious allegations of misconduct have come up in relation to him. John Mack was an excellent researcher, but I'm not sure he ever endorsed the abduction theory as entirely true (been a while since I read his book). Something traumatic is definitely happening to these people, or some of them at least, but what that something is remains unclear.
  
• Tom DeLonge and this whole TTS Academy thing stinks of a fading celebrity getting involved with a sketchy snake oil marketing group. Mark my words, that's going nowhere except late-night TV infomercials.
  
• Whatever Bob Lazar was working with (assuming any part of his story is real) wasn't element-115, and those carbon rods were just carbon rods, and maybe a Simpsons reference joke. Several research groups have synthesized element-115 (named moscovium) and the stuff doesn't hover, or do anything much else but produce absurd amounts of radiation.
  

originally posted by: JackSarfatti
a reply to: mirageman

Check me out on Twitter, Facebook, Google+, academia.edu, Wikipedia, Stardrive.org
the quotes of me are accurate.
I think I have solved the mystery of the UFO technology .
Jack Sarfatti

good lord

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: JackSarfatti
a reply to: mirageman

Check me out on Twitter, Facebook, Google+, academia.edu, Wikipedia, Stardrive.org
the quotes of me are accurate.
I think I have solved the mystery of the UFO technology .
Jack Sarfatti

good lord

I think I talked to Jack about 15 years ago. You can talk to most true believers, whether their belief system
is the occult or fringe science. They just want someone to listen to them.

Why "good lord" ?

Kev

originally posted by: ShadeWolf
My few thoughts on this entire saga (great thread, by the way):

• Robert Bigelow is up to something, and I very much doubt it's anything good. If half the stuff that George Knapp reports as happening at Skinwalker Ranch was true, that alone would be enough to blow the entire question of paranormal phenomena wide open. His buying the site and NIDS suddenly going dark is highly suspicious, and that's without even starting on the financial connections and MUFON tampering.
  
• Believe very little of anything associated with abduction, and specifically just ignore David Jacobs. He's at best a hack with an agenda to push, and several more serious allegations of misconduct have come up in relation to him. John Mack was an excellent researcher, but I'm not sure he ever endorsed the abduction theory as entirely true (been a while since I read his book). Something traumatic is definitely happening to these people, or some of them at least, but what that something is remains unclear.
  
• Tom DeLonge and this whole TTS Academy thing stinks of a fading celebrity getting involved with a sketchy snake oil marketing group. Mark my words, that's going nowhere except late-night TV infomercials.
  
• Whatever Bob Lazar was working with (assuming any part of his story is real) wasn't element-115, and those carbon rods were just carbon rods, and maybe a Simpsons reference joke. Several research groups have synthesized element-115 (named moscovium) and the stuff doesn't hover, or do anything much else but produce absurd amounts of radiation.
  

I suspect that the majority of the major contributors in this thread would agree with you.