President Trump is Cancelling the Illegal ObamaCare CSR Insurance Company Payments

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the idea... We all pay for our healthcare, and we all get it.

You don't have a say in my healthcare, and I won't comment on yours.

How does single payer mean I have any say in your health care? Single payer is simply a better deal. Instead of paying hundreds of dollars a month for premiums that don't even cover your healthcare, plus co-pays, plus prescriptions, plus doctor visits, hospital, surgery, etc.... You pay one thing, usually a tax, and it covers everything. No more wondering wha the insurance will cover. It's covered. Period. It's a better deal for your money.

You don't know what I pay and it's none of your goddamned business!

Jesus!

What part of, "You do your healthcare and I do mine" don't you ####ing understand?

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the idea... We all pay for our healthcare, and we all get it.

You don't have a say in my healthcare, and I won't comment on yours.

How does single payer mean I have any say in your health care? Single payer is simply a better deal. Instead of paying hundreds of dollars a month for premiums that don't even cover your healthcare, plus co-pays, plus prescriptions, plus doctor visits, hospital, surgery, etc.... You pay one thing, usually a tax, and it covers everything. No more wondering wha the insurance will cover. It's covered. Period. It's a better deal for your money.

Yep. The cost of insurance is outrageous, and it doesn't even come close to paying everything. If not for my employer, I'd be paying 2K a month for a family of 4. And I still end up with multi-thousand dollar bills from time to time.

All it takes is one big bill to bankrupt a family.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

Jesus!

Jesus would support Single Payer.

What part of, "You do your healthcare and I do mine" don't you ####ing understand?

The part where you end up trying to treat cancer with Chia seeds.

a reply to: MOMof3

I don't know why Trump wanted to be president.

He is all about winning and "me." That's why, and he did it. "I wanted to be president," and he did. And now reality sets in.

I don't understand it. Do they not have loved ones? Why would you want them to live in a mentally ill and diseased society?

Most people don't see past their immediate selfishness. As long as they and theirs are taken care of it's ok, and this applies to most everyone, regardless of politics; also, because they "did it themselves" to hell with everyone else if they can't. Unfortunately, not everyone can rise to the top, and people suffer. As long as Citizen X is comfortable, why should he care about anyone else?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Is there am anchor tied to your ass preventing you and those so generous from spreading your money around voluntarily? If not, then what's your beef here?

Yeah it's about return on investment. I'll put my money into a Single Payer system because that's a solid return.

You know what's a sh*t investment? Putting hundreds of dollars a month into insurance only to be told your not covered when you really need it.

originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: DBCowboy

That's the idea... We all pay for our healthcare, and we all get it.

You don't have a say in my healthcare, and I won't comment on yours.

How does single payer mean I have any say in your health care? Single payer is simply a better deal. Instead of paying hundreds of dollars a month for premiums that don't even cover your healthcare, plus co-pays, plus prescriptions, plus doctor visits, hospital, surgery, etc.... You pay one thing, usually a tax, and it covers everything. No more wondering wha the insurance will cover. It's covered. Period. It's a better deal for your money.

Yep. The cost of insurance is outrageous, and it doesn't even come close to paying everything. If not for my employer, I'd be paying 2K a month for a family of 4. And I still end up with multi-thousand dollar bills from time to time.

All it takes is one big bill to bankrupt a family.

I posted this on another thread, a few months ago.

I had employer health insurance for around $12 a week. I left that job, and to continue same coverage via COBRA, it was almost $600/month. ACA: $300. ACA w/ subsidy: $100.

a reply to: Dudemo5

When you ask the government to take care of your healthcare, you're asking me for money.

Because the only money government has, is what they take from working people like me.

You're not taking care of your healthcare needs if you need me to pay for it.

Take care of your own damned needs.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Dudemo5

When you ask the government to take care of your healthcare, you're asking me for money.

You're paying anyway. I don't have to ask.

We don't turn people away from the ER when they show up. They get treated. Then, when they can't pay, the hospitals end up reimbursed with your tax dollars.

Because the only money government has, is what they take from working people like me.

You mean working people like US.

You're not taking care of your healthcare needs if you need me to pay for it.

I don't need you. Why are you trying to make this personal? By the way, if you don't like it, perhaps you could move to one of the other major industrialized countries that doesn't have socialized medicine....

Take care of your own damned needs.

All it takes is one big bill to tank a family. A month ago, my four year old son had a severe asthma attack. his blood oxygen level dropped down to 80%. He could not breathe.

We did the only thing we COULD do. We took him to the emergency room.

I'll be paying that bill off for months, even though I have insurance.

When a family member has a medical emergency we are required, both by law and morality, to get them help, no matter what it costs.

And clearly society as a whole agrees, which is why we don't turn people away at the ER.

And why you end up paying for it anyway.

a reply to: Dudemo5

It's your responsibility and don't think for an instant you aren't the only one who has family that needs it.

It's just that most of US don't ####ing whine about it and ask others to ####ing pay for it!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Dudemo5

When you ask the government to take care of your healthcare, you're asking me for money.

Because the only money government has, is what they take from working people like me.

You're not taking care of your healthcare needs if you need me to pay for it.

Take care of your own damned needs.

You also become a ward of the state ...If that is what you want, (if you can't take care of your own needs), then go for it.

Know that it will lead to (and already has) the government regulating what you eat. How you live. The air you breathe. (yes ...Obamacare is basically a tax on breathing)

I prefer to live differently and make my own decisions.

Some who curse the government in one breath, and support these measures in another, would rather leave their lives up to the government.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Dudemo5

It's your responsibility and don't think for an instant you aren't the only one who has family that needs it.

I DON'T need it. I make six figures. I have a very good health care plan. I can afford my own bills. Again, this isn't a personal conversation about individuals. It's a sociological conversation about what we value as a people. In other words, it's about our experiences and values IN AGGREGATE.

It's just that most of US don't ####ing whine about it and ask others to ####ing pay for it!

You're the one whining and carrying on like a child. How about you stop?

P.S.

Like I said, you pay for it anyway. The main reason it's not enough is because of the insurance business, which would behoove us all to dismantle.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Dudemo5

It's your responsibility and don't think for an instant you aren't the only one who has family that needs it.

It's just that most of US don't ####ing whine about it and ask others to ####ing pay for it!

It's not whining, it's called better solutions.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Better solutions are not me paying for your healthcare.

It's called socialism.

Own it and pray for it all you want.

I'll fight it.

originally posted by: bender151
a reply to: carewemust

He does this and opens the market to allow more competition. Smart. Also, the money never should have been given away in the first place. 7 billion a year in non appropriated funds. That's Obama for ya! Then the left cries that Trump is writing law with executive orders lol.

It was scheduled to be $10 Billion for 2018. What's really sick (but not surprising) is that health insurance companies were overestimating how much money they needed, to cover the deductibles for those clients who were poor enough to receive the Cost Sharing Reduction (CSR) benefit. Their bills to the U.S. government were based on the Congressional Budget Office estimate that 21 million people would be eligible for CSR by 2016, when in fact, only 7 million were.

But get this. Even with insurance companies ripping-off the government/taxpayers like this, they still lost tons of money in the last 3 years. So much so, that 8 out of 10 health insurance companies who started with ObamaCare in 2013, will be gone from that program by the end of this year. They were still losing money, due to so many sick/expensive customers. (Ex. One teenager in Iowa has had a $1.2 million dollar medical bill every month, for the past 3 years. Iowa only has 1 health insurance company for 2018. Coincidence? Nope.)

originally posted by: Jubilation T Cornpone

I prefer to live differently and make my own decisions.

I agree.

The whole "you do your healthcare and I'll do mine" doesn't work.

The reason it doesn't work is because society insists on having a say in whether a person is required by law to get treated. These expectations are placed upon hospitals (they are not free to turn everyone away) and citizens (for example, parents aren't free to let their children die via medical neglect).

But the result of these two sociological realities is that our tax dollars are ALREADY being used to support healthcare costs.

It seems to me we should eliminate the profit incentive of the middle man (in this case, the do-nothing insurance industry, that provides zero value in this equation) and make the whole thing more affordable for all of us.

originally posted by: Dudemo5

I DON'T need it. I make six figures.

You are so cool.

Stop asking for socialist solutions then, rich boi.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Better solutions are not me paying for your healthcare.

You already pay for it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Dudemo5

I DON'T need it. I make six figures.

You are so cool.

Stop asking for socialist solutions then, rich boi.

Stop whining like a child.

I'm not asking for socialist solutions. I'm expressing my belief that socialized medicine is cheaper and better for society as a whole.

originally posted by: Dudemo5

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Dudemo5

It's your responsibility and don't think for an instant you aren't the only one who has family that needs it.

I DON'T need it. I make six figures. I have a very good health care plan. I can afford my own bills. Again, this isn't a personal conversation about individuals. It's a sociological conversation about what we value as a people. In other words, it's about our experiences and values IN AGGREGATE.

Agreed. I also make six figures - and pay for supposedly the "best" insurance. On that great insurance, I had a sudden intense pain in my abdomen. Not the kind of thing you can ignore even if you want to. I went to the emergency room... they put me on a bed, gave me some pain meds, let me lay there for 2 hours and sent me home with advice to drink lots of water. No prescription. I spoke to a doctor for all of 1 min. The bill was $2000.

Single payer is a better deal.