Trump Admits he Punked his Supporters on Mexico Paying for the Wall

Trumpers smart enough to know what is happening, and continue to support him, just to stick it to those they hate, are the real enemies of the country. And humanity.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: smurfy

One wrong clearly does not justify another. Just sayin.

Trump has been as advertised and nobody should be surprised by his actions. For anyone to use his behavior to justify their own dangerous bad behavior is beyond rational and entirely criminal.

People in the inner circle, need to be held to a high standard and how they feel about their current boss should not change that.

The Washington Post has become the haven for people with no moral compass and could give a crap less about their own country or the harm they may do with their actions. There is no credible way to defend it.

That's fair enough up to a point, but I don't think it's as simple as that. We can't even assume that it is a WH staffer at all, that's just one possibility, and given that there are ongoing investigations of a serious nature, it may have been deemed prudent that intel too, have in their hands on any telephone transcripts for analysis in regard to the WH.
I can see why, intel needs to be above all the noise that the public, and the like of our forum, and the media makes every time Trump opens his gub..like the way he complained about signing the Russian sanctions for instance, he should have just signed it and kept his own counsel, but he didn't, and that only made more noise...congress did it for badness, conversely Trump is hiding something with his complaint, all according who you talk too, and the media as well.
Now we know Mueller is convening a *Supreme Court to allow him to have sworn testimony, witnesses and the like, we will have even more noise, more buzz, even if it means nothing on it's own. Intel would want to be above all that, but in the know.

*In edit, I meant to say, Grand Jury.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
a reply to: gortex

He has still kept more promises than a normal politician or past presidents. Just the fact that he attempted to get mexico to pay was worth it to me.

He has kept nine promises. Not really worth bragging about.
Promise Kept rulings on Trump-O-Meter

Cool, 3 more and he'll pass Obama's total for his entire 8 years in office!

After 8 years, here are the promises Obama kept - and the ones he didn't

No doubt Trump has brought a lot of this on himself. I'll leave it at our country deserves better than to have people privy to sensitive information who can't be trusted.

I'd imagine many if not most leaks are coming from trusted, career civil servants who have decided their own partisan views are more important than the country that trusts them. If their loyalty is dependent on who won the last election, they pose a risk to the country as a whole.

a reply to: Blaine91555

That would be my guess, too.

a reply to: Xtrozero

The real story here then if it was all true would be the leaking of classified messages from a Yankee White clearance level.

No , the real story here is the story the whys and wherefores are secondary.

originally posted by: gortex
No , the real story here is the story the whys and wherefores are secondary.

Well since you are the OP are you saying the real story is that Trump was suggesting they should say "we will work it out" over both sides just saying neither will pay for it...BIG STORY You might as well file this next to Rachel Maddow's big Trump tax leak where in the end he paid 38 million that year...lol

You need to see the real problem not your I hate Trump perspective...here is the same story but done correctly...

Real Story

a reply to: thesaneone

One has the skills to begin with or not..Trump does not lead..he bullys

a reply to: gortex

You do forget the WaPo owner has a multi-million dollar contract with the CIA. The same CIA that has been trying, alongside some other implanted stooges of the Obama administration, to depose President Trump even before he was the POTUS.

Of course President Trump would have to find some compromise with foreign officials.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Are you saying that the transcripts are Fake News ?

He used the wall and making the Mexicans pay for it as a rallying call for his supporters , a dog whistle.
Now it turns out that it's not important who pays for it as long as President Nieto stopped saying he won't pay Trump will do a back room deal to get both of them off the hook , the Mexico will pay for it rhetoric was just food for the crowd and to make himself look like a tough guy.

Your President can't be believed he is like a used car salesman , tell you what you want to hear then sell you a banger.

a reply to: joshysway

by any means necessary...isn't that the way to do things?

Mr. X said so.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: gortex
No , the real story here is the story the whys and wherefores are secondary.

Well since you are the OP are you saying the real story is that Trump was suggesting they should say "we will work it out" over both sides just saying neither will pay for it...BIG STORY You might as well file this next to Rachel Maddow's big Trump tax leak where in the end he paid 38 million that year...lol

You need to see the real problem not your I hate Trump perspective...here is the same story but done correctly...

Real Story

That thread tries to link to the transcripts themselves, that link works easily from the WP site.
As for who pays for the wall, (whatever that works out like) America is paying for it as of now, so until anything else comes up, America is paying for it..full stop, notwithstanding that it won't be the as described in the Trump catalogue.
As for who leaked what, we don't know, it need not be the WH, it could be intel..perhaps for good reason in their perspective, it could be anyone who was privvy at the conversation in the US, in Australia, in Mexico..or, as Trump likes to say, perhaps Russia, maybe China.

As for hating Trump, I don't think the OP particularly hates anyone...dislike perhaps, I certainly dislike Trump, he's a low life piece of human excreta as far as I'm concerned, and he looks down on ordinary people, not concerned about them as many here like to think, and has serious personality issues...the old saying goes, you can watch thief, you can't watch a liar...though mind you, someone, or some entity is doing the US a favour in exposing Trump for his unending lies and hyperbole...remember, much of the stuff about the 'phone calls was reported long ago, but was played down as rubbish by many, even here, the transcripts however tell us it wasn't. Now Mueller is convening this Grand Jury, let's just say I contend Mueller is now following the money...would you like to step in and say it's rubbish? or even that Trump is masterminding a long trail of fiction just to embarrass the powers that be?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


Yes he has about a half-century's worth of experience in deal making, and you pretend like he doesn't know what he is talking about.

His dad knew, Donald's experience is in debt making, for himself, and probably quite a few others.

a reply to: gortex

Yes this is being taken out of context... There are many ways to make the Mexicans pay for the wall without forcing them. For a long time a tax on Mexican imports was thought to be one of several possible ways.

Trump-Mexico relations hit new low after 20% border wall tax mooted

The United States has frozen assets of Mexican nationals, tied to the drug cartels, which could be used to pay for the wall.

Exclusive: Trump Camp Mulls Using Seized Cartel Assets to Pay for Wall

As to your question, yes these phone calls are the latest use of the left to try to defame President Trump... Just like the "Russian colusion BS" which even after Obama's appointees like Comey said "there was no evidence of collusion" the left kept claiming "there is evidence of collusion" and the left kept making up BS claims with no corroboration of those claims whatsoever...

What Trump says in these transcripts is accurate, and actually shows his adeptness at being a leader and a deal-maker, which is why he was elected. The disturbing thing is that these transcripts have been leaked, it really damages the U.S., and will make it very difficult for any foreign leader to have a frank conversation with Trump. These people out to damage Trump couldn't care less that they are harming the country in the process. I don't know if laws have been broken, but if so, I hope they are prosecuted to fullest extent.

originally posted by: joshysway
Trumpers smart enough to know what is happening, and continue to support him, just to stick it to those they hate, are the real enemies of the country. And humanity.

Aaaaahhh...so "either agree with me and my left-wing ideology or you are an enemy of the Untied States"?... Such false rhetoric is one of the many "fascist" ways that the left are trying to force people to bow down to... The same thing with left-wing corporations like google, Fakebook, Yahoo, etc, etc hiring left-wing groups and agencies which claim that just being conservative makes you a racist, a fascist, etc, etc...

Fascism was invented by left-wing dictators like Hitler, and Mussolini, and the antics of the left these days shows it to be a fact to this day.

Trump as a deal maker. LOL.

Hopefully he can make a deal to keep himself out of jail.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: gortex

Yes this is being taken out of context... There are many ways to make the Mexicans pay for the wall without forcing them. For a long time a tax on Mexican imports was thought to be one of several possible ways.

Trump-Mexico relations hit new low after 20% border wall tax mooted

The United States has frozen assets of Mexican nationals, tied to the drug cartels, which could be used to pay for the wall.

Exclusive: Trump Camp Mulls Using Seized Cartel Assets to Pay for Wall

As to your question, yes these phone calls are the latest use of the left to try to defame President Trump... Just like the "Russian colusion BS" which even after Obama's appointees like Comey said "there was no evidence of collusion" the left kept claiming "there is evidence of collusion" and the left kept making up BS claims with no corroboration of those claims whatsoever...

Why just Mexico then, why not all criminals, are the US, Russia, Europe, south America, Canada in general criminals nicer? loads-a-money too!

But then that might make the 'Mexico' thing just silly right?
Yuh see, you are supposed to think on your feet when pressy...not on your arese.

originally posted by: smurfy
would you like to step in and say it's rubbish? or even that Trump is masterminding a long trail of fiction just to embarrass the powers that be?

I'm going to say show me the true facts... I'm not here to defend Trump, I think we should let the man be President until other things come to light if at all. It will be hard to convince me that Russia was working hand in hand with Trump to get the win...even if Russia was involved in all kinds of DNC, RNC voting boxes type of crap...that is what they do, that is what we do...

originally posted by: smurfy

Why just Mexico then, why not all criminals, are the US, Russia, Europe, south America, Canada in general criminals nicer? loads-a-money too!

But then that might make the 'Mexico' thing just silly right?
Yuh see, you are supposed to think on your feet when pressy...not on your arese.

Errr... I have no idea what in the world you are talking about.

First try to make an intelligent and concise argument if you want people to respond with a counter-argument.