Trump Admits he Punked his Supporters on Mexico Paying for the Wall

a reply to: introvert

As the leader of the party, he couldn't get the GOP to pass anything in regards to Obamacare. The GOP is pushing back on the transgender issue and he has GOP senators openly saying they are glad Kelly is in as CoS to help put some order in to the admin.

That does not indicate strong leadership when you can't get the party in power, which you are the leader of, on your side.

It doesn't indicate weak leadership either. What I think it does indicate is that Nevertrumpers and TheResistence have their dirty little hands in everything.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're still blaming it on Trump, rather than the people doing it and trying to take the conversation away from the fact that these leaks are a dangerous thing. They are accountable for their own actions and crimes and Trump is no excuse.

It reminds me of how criminals always seem to have an excuse they use to justify their own crimes and deflect responsibility.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You're still blaming it on Trump, rather than the people doing it and trying to take the conversation away from the fact that these leaks are a dangerous thing. They are accountable for their own actions and crimes and Trump is no excuse.

It reminds me of how criminals always seem to have an excuse they use to justify their own crimes and deflect responsibility.

Because it is his fault. As I said earlier, Obama didn't foster this kind of work environment. Bush didn't foster this kind of work environment. You're right I don't care about the leakers, but even if I did it doesn't matter. Going after the leakers is only chopping off the auxiliary heads of the hydra. You need to go after the root of the problem. Otherwise this is just a never ending job. Deweeding the WH of leakers.

Plus I view prosecuting leakers as "shooting the messenger". Clearly they are singing a message of a larger problem that needs fixing before the leaking needs fixing.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


A tweet or opinion piece is not an adequete measure of work environment.

Tell that to Trump...he says it is official White house business, but if you wish to contradict.....'The President'...no! more, tell him that the White House official business that he says is official, is quite possibly a load of propagandist shiite, and you say so.

a reply to: smurfy

One wrong clearly does not justify another. Just sayin.

Trump has been as advertised and nobody should be surprised by his actions. For anyone to use his behavior to justify their own dangerous bad behavior is beyond rational and entirely criminal.

People in the inner circle, need to be held to a high standard and how they feel about their current boss should not change that.

The Washington Post has become the haven for people with no moral compass and could give a crap less about their own country or the harm they may do with their actions. There is no credible way to defend it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are right to say the repeal and replace has been an utter failure so far. I suspect the same will happen to tax-reform.

His appointees have been stymied at nearly every instance, his cabinet agencies and state department severely understaffed, his administration has done fairly well without them. It is nearly impossible to implement and regulate an agenda without that staff. But he no less has made considerable changes to border security, immigration reform, dismantling the EPA, and deregulating Obama-era policies. Sure these are policy changes and not legislation, but that's amazing considering that by this time most of Obama's, Bush's and Clinton's appointees were approved.

originally posted by: gortex
The Washington Post has obtained transcripts of the phone calls between the President and leaders of Mexico and Australia, the transcripts are said to confirm his call with the Australian President didn't go well and show Trump used the prospect of building a wall and Mexico paying for it as a political tool to rally the faithful.

So how does the Washington Post get transcripts of 3 presidents over secured lines?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If they were doing the same when Obama was in office, would your opinion be the same?

These are not hero's doing the leaking. They have put their own interests above that of the country. Anyone defending them is doing the same. This partisan madness is dangerous and if they would do it for partisan reasons, how cheaply could they be bought and paid for by our countries enemies. Clearly they have no morals, nor do they give a damn about the consequences. It's not really a stretch to assume they would also sell information to enrich themselves.

Imagine how quickly the rats would scatter if someone leaked the names of all those who are doing the leaking.

Who created the climate where these untrustworthy people could make it inside the White House? This did not happen during Trump's administration.

a reply to: gortex

No. Really? ...did no one of his supporters figure that out? Somehow I doubt it. Many can see smoke and mirrors for what they are, given half a chance.

After all, she didn't win, did she?

Those who did believe that... Well. Y'know, P.T. Barnum had a quote about that.

There's a sucker born every minute. P.T. Barnum

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The fact that you don't see that as a reflection of Trump's poor leadership just shows your partisanship.

but that's amazing considering that by this time most of Obama's, Bush's and Clinton's appointees were approved.

That brings up another point. The reason most of Trump's appointees haven't been approved is because he hasn't nominated most of them. Only a few are being held up by the Senate currently.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Now that's a very good question, isn't it?? ...and one that deserves a bit of investigation, as it's somewhat worrisome to my mind.

Either there's a dangerous leak among the bureaucratic secretarial/office staff/secret service, or it's being made up out of whole cloth. Either one isn't exactly cool.

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Krazysh0t

If they were doing the same when Obama was in office, would your opinion be the same?

Obama DID have leakers and I wasn't calling for their arrest. In fact I still think that Snowden is a national hero.

These are not hero's doing the leaking. They have put their own interests above that of the country. Anyone defending them is doing the same. This partisan madness is dangerous and if they would do it for partisan reasons, how cheaply could they be bought and paid for by our countries enemies. Clearly they have no morals, nor do they give a damn about the consequences. It's not really a stretch to assume they would also sell information to enrich themselves.

I'm not defending them. I'm explaining why their behavior exists. I just like the fact they are leaking. The more dysfunctional Trump's administration becomes the less they get accomplished which translates to less American precedents being shat all over.

Imagine how quickly the rats would scatter if someone leaked the names of all those who are doing the leaking.

They'll just be replaced with new leakers.

Who created the climate where these untrustworthy people could make it inside the White House? This did not happen during Trump's administration.

Trump did. He replaced most of the WH staff with his own people.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

As the leader of the party, he couldn't get the GOP to pass anything in regards to Obamacare. The GOP is pushing back on the transgender issue and he has GOP senators openly saying they are glad Kelly is in as CoS to help put some order in to the admin.

That does not indicate strong leadership when you can't get the party in power, which you are the leader of, on your side.

It doesn't indicate weak leadership either. What I think it does indicate is that Nevertrumpers and TheResistence have their dirty little hands in everything.

That is your opinion. I don't find it reasonable that the GOP would sabotage their chance to deal with Obamacare just because they don't like Trump.

He's not leading the charge to do so in an effective manner. Which is my opinion.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

As I said earlier, Obama didn't foster this kind of work environment. Bush didn't foster this kind of work environment.

That's because those two plus most presidents have been groomed for the position.

originally posted by: randomthoughts12
Feel free to link some bold face lies and I will see if it changes my mind.

Just this past week:

Trump told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published Wednesday, “I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them.”

“We are unaware of any such call,” the Boy Scouts responded in a statement. It specified that neither Boy Scout President Randall Stephenson nor Chief Scout Executive Mike Surbaugh placed such a call.

Also:

Sanders was responding to questions about a statement from the Mexican government denying what Trump described as a recent phone call with Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto. Trump said earlier this week that Pena Nieto called him to praise his immigration policies.

I mean, the President said these were phone calls but when both the Boy Scouts and the Mexican government said there were no phone calls, the Press Secretary turns around and says, 'no they were in person.'

Does the President know the difference between a phone call and an in-person conversation? Was he lying?

Even in these phone conversations, he's just a con-man. He, to me, only wanted to run for president to further his image and name. He didn't want to win, he wanted to expand his income base by saying things that people wanted to hear and it just worked for him. I remember in the days before the election hearing reports of a new conservative news organization being formed, this was expected to be something called 'Trump TV' but, then he won and that was the end of it.

a reply to: Xtrozero

As far as I'm aware transcripts are made of official communications for the record so I guess it's those they've obtained , how they got them is a question I'm sure being asked by President Trump and Mr Kelly.

originally posted by: seagull

Either there's a dangerous leak among the bureaucratic secretarial/office staff/secret service, or it's being made up out of whole cloth. Either one isn't exactly cool.

I'm thinking this is in line with "anonymous sources said" I have transcripts of Putin talking to Hillary about their love child they made in 1994...here let me type it up real quick...

originally posted by: gortex

As far as I'm aware transcripts are made of official communications for the record so I guess it's those they've obtained , how they got them is a question I'm sure being asked by President Trump and Mr Kelly.

First, did the conversations even take place, Second, how do we determine what are official transcripts or just made up for the narrative. This sounds way to convenient... In the end, will the wall get built and how much will Mexico pay for it. Remember there are many ways to pay and not just writing a check which I would think is the least likely way. What if Trump puts a wall tariff on all products coming from south of the border from any country there...we are also just talking about 15 to 20 billion...not a lot in Big Government.

a reply to: Xtrozero

First, did the conversations even take place

Yes , they are the conversations Trump had after he was inaugurated , the transcripts confirms details already leaked , they would also seem to confirm that Bigly is actually big-league as the administration said.

You have some pretty tough hombres in Mexico that you may need help with, and we are willing to help you with that big-league.
www.bbc.co.uk...

Second, how do we determine what are official transcripts or just made up for the narrative.

Given the propensity of leaks flowing from this administration I see no reason to doubt their authenticity.

originally posted by: gortex
Given the propensity of leaks flowing from this administration I see no reason to doubt their authenticity.

The real story here then if it was all true would be the leaking of classified messages from a Yankee White clearance level. The wall is a story in four years that we can say whether it was built or not and by what funds...

But then of course the narrative is "Trump Admits he Punked his Supporters on Mexico Paying for the Wall"