Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Are you aware how spot on you are? The difference is the programming.

You can imagine dna as processor and the housing, the phone is the "animal". Naturally a bacteria is something like Motorola Dyna TAC 8000X and a human would be a Samsung Galaxy S8, the app we are running couldn't run on a bacteria, but it gets closer with the evolution.

The question is of course if consciousness is a biological property?

And how the hell does it work? Makes me so angry, stupid consciousness wtf is that thing? Where does it come from? Why is a bit of currence running through grease making me ask all those questions?

a reply to: Peeple

Are you sure that life bursting from your ovaries as a cell isn't punching you in the brain to release it as a mother in programming code, that a feeling of lactose arises and at the height of release that one is typically filled with that as a culmination almost filled with that life force oneself to copulate or make that choice as not onself like the god of wine said to take over people as a personification when drunk?

Or the bacterial flora in your gut driving your eating and drinking habits? Or the cleanliness of your area or lack there of an immune response to grow stronger or weaker? That all of these little specialized "cells" are transmitting and releasing billions of messages like a huge neural network as a somatic processor?

Constantly phazing changing and shifting in response? Who is in charge? The thought? Then why pause and become confused or second guess? You were in charge were you not? where did that mind go? Or was there some firing in the body that commanded unheard to drop it?

Inner and outer macro/micro cosim how is it any different? In that reality that is a programming or prompt?

Mine simply sits there flashing... C: like 12:00 noon but no one to meet in some show down of stupidity.

sp/

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I don't know what to believe or what's the right way to handle it, but I am confident it's a lot more complicated. Actively working on living in a vegetative state, never thinking, unattached means no feelings too, seems a waste of life.
And that's from someone who has a 4 on a 1-5 scale of suicidal.
The way to approach it has to be the opposite, high alert point everything at as much as you can think. Explore it, work through it write it down, accept the mirror and the zoo both will never go away.
That's the fundamental flaw of modern psychology it's not holistic enough. The problem is people don't think enough. Life lessons, not things to run away from. Like the hikikomori it's a social problem, causing psychological issues. The Japanese have a name for all those things, which is the right way to go because otherwise you throw a label on them and treat the problem according to that, but it's more than the one label. It is also a fit with other labels. More fluid.
Your no attachment thing is good to centre ourself an exercise to anker that bit of consciousness which despite sometimes running on autopilot is a part of you, is you, is awake, aware, connecting the dots, wishing, dreaming, imagining, ... thinking.

Consciousness has quantum qualities, if you will, being at two places at the same time. It likes coherence, that's why we perceive time.

Which makes me wonder, is it tunneling effect when uv-rays, which are still photons, move through glass?

I've got the smarts to work the system, wish me luck.

a reply to: Peeple

Sure they can go away impermanence also covers that; but when one falls into a state of complete equipoise it is still relative to one's awareness. All cells etc. in the body awake and aware so this cycle of existence since all is "mind" whether awkened ot not is one continuious being that NEVER leaves the present moment.

So what does that mean? Killing yourself will not get you anywhere except in another dimension of being... those attached come right along with you due to the karmic bonds... so what changes in suicide? More start watching your every move... lol even more so in the many vast realms when you can sit cycle through decay wrap back around and reform exactly as you were previously with of course all of the practice and resolve that it takes to achieve such a thing. Of course others de this even in ignorance so there are a lot of of unknowns to thank and pay hommage too.

Consider the following: en.wikipedia.org...

I authored a thread in the philosophy section describing all of these in a skim sort of fashion... Bardo and constant becoming or something of that nature...

You have a yabyum or consort of male/female energy in truth we all do the craving and desire is for that physicality that once was always present... mediation slowly and surely goes back to that.

Remember me speaking of nuns sitting and whoa where did this baby come from? They were sitting meditating and in a realm or state as listed in the above link passed through them long enough to go through an entire passage of intercourse, preganancy and birth and yet attachment to form? Seemed to be right back where they were but where the feck did this baby come from? The consort passed right on through and yet in unawareness of being in all states of being in awareness? Thats where.

So why are monks nuns and other texts advising sitting in one spot with resolve and meditating as much as possible both day and night? To enter of course into the yab yum that does not make one feel incomplete... so if a nun was sitting for a long time and regretted being a nun out of missing child birth? That concept alone can be cause for the concieving of one and in the relativity of all pervasive time and space such will manifest. Because we are in that constant flow or union we once were in as beings.

Sure that may scare a lot of women away from meditation; but if mr./mrs. perfect manifests out of thin air as your missing piece and vice versa? Then maybe just the opposite would occur...

Fragmented from those conceptual bubbles I speak of in that post is like shattering that mirror into a bunch of selves.

General Weirdness

Last week a thread popped up about spiders (over here). I had already posted my Thoughts on a Spiderweb article here and posted a link over there as well. The next day, an article shows up proving spiders can count! Then there are spiders underwater. I also keep seeing article mentioning "web" ("cobweb", "spider web", "web of intrigue", "world wide web", etc.). And also, spider silk (I made a thread on artificial spider silk a while back). Today, this article showed up: Spider walks like an ant and raises front legs to mimic ant antenna.

Next came this topic: Arecibo Message (the one sent by humans and the possible reply). The one sent by humans used prime numbers, "23 x 73", specifically. Look! "23" yet again. This was briefly mentioned in an article on prime numbers and I used "the web" to go to Wikipedia to find this out! What is Arecibo but a giant antenna?!

Next topic is "quantum gravity". It has popped up in the most random places! Reading about black holes... there is mention. Reading about quantum mechanics... there it is again. Reading about math... glancing blow to an idea in physics which of course leads back to "what is quantum gravity?"

The James Webb Space Telescope launches next year. I wonder if this is all some cosmic joke on me. The hints seem like hammer blows.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

*salutes at General Weirdness
I just thought: no chance could also be interpretated as "chance= French luck", is that what you native speakers think of if you say no chance? Not, right? But it's pretty and I doubt chance (=coincidence).
After that piece of flow, let's roll on...

I keep trying to stitch it all together, maybe then a key will present itself, but it holds so many unknowns.

What's consciousness that seems to be a very important question, is it above the brain action? Is it ordering the brain into action, so to speak?
Where does it sit? Does it sit somewhere specific or is it just in and around our body?
Also what was first, the mushroom, god or evolution? If brains of birds have a quantum consciousness, why shouldn't ours too? But what extra sense could that be? I doubt it's navigation or telepathy.
Are these "aliens" from a mirror world of ours and we are only loosely connected through consciousness?
Is it maybe magic (the focusing of willpower on appearances etc) that opens some portals? Or shamanic rituals, or...
Sometimes one is big enough and a mirror person can slide through, that's why so many report encounters with humanoids. Maybe.
Does everybody have a mirrored person? Is that this soul thing?
And the greys? How do they fit in? UFOs?
It just refuses to make sense

a reply to: Peeple

Is that all?! Those are easy questions!

If brains of birds have a quantum consciousness, why shouldn't ours too? But what extra sense could that be? I doubt it's navigation or telepathy.

Peeple

This is one I thought about the other day! I read about the earth's magnetic field is caused by the crystalline arrangement in the core between iron and nickel. They create a hexagonal structure that reminded me of purple bronze molecules. I then thought, "if this is due to quantum mechanics, is this what birds are tuned into?" I also asked the same question, "What is the human mind's quantum tuning?" What wavelength to de get? Besides the Shumann resonance that is.

Then I started thinking about gravity, DNA, and dark matter. See, I'm of no help! I have just as many questions. Which lead me to think of this...

Dark matter is "entangled" (in a sense) with regular matter through an undetected dimension. The effect is so weak that it takes more DM to get particles together but after a certain level (is that the “quanta” in quantum gravity?), macroscopic gravity, and the Newtonian universe, takes over because matter “pays more attention” to matter than to DM.

Black holes are where matter moves away from the “center” the DM is attracted to when a star goes nova. Magnetic and plasma energy levels are strong enough to decohere DM from regular matter. With less matter to interact with, DM keeps searching for matter at the center, creating a singularity.

Quantum foam would be nothing more than unattached DM flailing around in all directions. Quasi particles bubbling into existence and back out down at the quantum level.

--TEOT's own musing and probably totally wrong, as usual

This is the kind of thing I ponder when "get on a roll" and see where the questions I ask take me. I was pondering, "What is gravity and how can you control it?" If it works the way I just described, you could make an "envelope" around a ship so those interactions do not take place. See, I want off this planet and if I have to invent it myself then I will!

There are false leads in the maze of life! What is the rule? Always turn left? Sinister it is then!!

Keep asking those questions Peeps!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Most here have probably already seen some of those haptic compass belt studies. (Basically a belt that vibrates when subject is facing north.

Anyway, the interesting part(s) to me were: 1) What happened after the belts were taken off and 2) The expansion of perception beyond simply locating north.

There are plenty of interesting articles, but I couldn't find a good video for the life of me. The ones that are out there aren't terrible, just can't find the one I liked. *shrugs*

If I even have a point, which I probably don't, its that we tend to have a "God of the Gaps" approach to the unknown ("quantum"). Its really cool stuff, psychologically, but I sometimes feel that we are exploring the framework and math of our perception of events rather than the events themselves. Arguably, we can't do anything else. Or, even if there is a distinction, it might be irrelevant in real world application.

Sometimes though, the key to that next jump lies squarely in the middle of what is already known. Hiding in plain sight.

And even if we do see that "Magic Eye" stereographic image, it can take generations to connect it to the visual static from which it originated.

Blah blah blah. I do feel, rather strongly at that, that one of those next terraces involves manipulating "mundane" events and behavior with different flows of time. I'm definitely not an advocate of the concept that time is solely a human construct, at least no more than any of our science or math. But, if it is understood as the relative movement between bodies, so to speak, then said manipulation could occur with the right setup.

It wouldn't be "quantum" in the standard sense, but I am definitely convinced that further study into topics like frame dragging, or even just the general topic of frames of reference will provide a point of leverage to really start digging into some fascinating stuff.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
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a reply to: Serdgiam

Oh you guys that is wonderful. Here's pretty exactly my thoughts yesterday.


And fundamental question really is what's the egg and what's the hen and what was first? Matter? Consciousness?
I don't buy for a second this "all is one" bs, if consciousness exists independent from matter to whatever extent we have every reason to believe it is just as splintered and chaotic on a smaller scale, predictable from a greater distance etc..
But since the laws of physics and logic don't seem to apply for the time before the big bang why shouldn't it be that consciousness as property of the next smaller level, sub-quantum information bits, existed before and gave birth to everything, since matter then only existed as potential it inherited all 11 dimensions.
Which then started to have fun of course and did what all stuff does, from order to entropy. All dimensions grow in complexity simultaneously.

Of course "consciousness in a sub quantum particle" is very different from the meatloaded human perspective. All exist in 11 dimensions at the same time or "know someone" from there and have contact.
....I ramble again, sorry.
Dark matter is just a veil. You want to bet?

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

DM is maybe a huge misnomer. Membrane touch points, maybe? Think about Markarian 335 & the corona (plasma) ejection of x-rays.
I don't exactly have any smart bit on it, just headscratching why ionised gas turns into high energy/short wavelength bursts if it touches a black hole.
As no expert that seems to be potentially... interesting. Gas, to light takes energy somehow the black hole has to have been giving energy to the corona, a lot. So maybe energy is escaping from dm?

a reply to: Serdgiam

I was thinking about "frame dragging" and how it can/does/might apply. Like I said it was just an idea that I have not really flushed out yet.

The word "quantum" is vastly misused and not wholly appreciated. In some manner it is quite specific having to do with a certain length at that level of measurement. How it all interacts with macro world is still not really known but we are catching glimpses here and there. There are also the "what happens if we just stick with QM" stories around (retrocausality) as well as pushing back the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle link.

All that without even getting consciousness involved! Wild times we live in! Fun to speculate and ponder things!

a reply to: Peeple

My next inkling was that dark matter (DM) locks itself together like graphene in this known universe. Graphene is good at conveying energy along its surface. What if DM is kind of like a "converter" or sorts. Matter falls in and is "squeezed" to "jelly" with its X-ray (ex Ray?) ghost spouting back into Newton's Universe (NU) from the poles. Does everything in NU spin? Seems so. Anyway, somehow, against all odds, yet behaving oddly, x-rays seem to emit from black holes.

A singularity spinning near (faster than?) the speed of light converts matter to energy beams. Matter is neither created or destroyed simply flung off in a direction that the nuclear force cannot keep together. Hum. I think I need beer when contemplating this stuff! And access to my library to look things up... this is all just "spitting chalk" right now. I have no clear understanding and am working at cleaning up stuff here at work.

So I may be gone for the rest of the day. :bummer:

You draw a nice egg! My drawing capabilities stop at stick figures (like Reverbs'!! Except his are better!). Not sure what it means either. Thanks for the share!

I have no idea (I just typed, "aedi" wth does that mean? lol. Am I backwards? Thinking backwards?) why I thought of DM and NU. I may have been triggered (not the everyday ATS politico way ether!) by something I read... IDK. Just seem like something to kick around a bit.



General Weirdness

Waking up yesterday (??) I heard a (male, I think) voice say, "Get in front of technology".

Not sure what it means. Seems to fit into the conversation though. And I'm not eggs-aggerating!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

You made me remember this. Interesting reminds me of something important....

You're so smart. I will also as always have to let it sink in before I can answer.
tbc...




"Coincidence" let me to a dark place:

Which was what brought me to ATS originally. Madonna. There it's out there I love her and always did. One of the first books I read was her biography. She is just awesome. Awe-inspiring good with a huge momentum and...
I am definitely certain this outfit is no coincidence either. Nothing she does is coincidence, a sharp strong "presence" aura wise or however you want to call it. I get that many are intimidated by that especially now that she's older and less subject to sexual desire. But that's a minority for which nobody stands up.
#Mighty-old-witches-lifes-matter

Fun stuff

Summer of fish & chips on arte (german/French tv) Muse in Rome, later Pulp documentary, good thing I know how to turn off the smoke detector.


Aww I didn't know that one

free me
free me from this world

originally posted by: Serdgiam
I'm definitely not an advocate of the concept that time is solely a human construct, at least no more than any of our science or math. But, if it is understood as the relative movement between bodies, so to speak, then said manipulation could occur with the right setup.

Time, as the "relative movement between bodies" is obviously not a human construct unless you go full-on Holographic Universe, and even then, you'd be misunderstanding a point or three. How we measure, qualify and quantify time, is entirely a human construct though. As are science and math. All three are means we have developed to help understand reality and to aid in agreeing on certain aspects of reality, they do not exist independent of us though, the measurement of time, scientific method and mathematics only serve human reality.

originally posted by: Serdgiam
It wouldn't be "quantum" in the standard sense, but I am definitely convinced that further study into topics like frame dragging, or even just the general topic of frames of reference will provide a point of leverage to really start digging into some fascinating stuff.

Indeed.

a reply to: Peeple

I think that "consciousness" is probably one of the better concepts for approaching that realm of things. It might have some inaccurate baggage, but what doesn't?

We seem to work by categorization and labels. In my mind, this has some inherent limitations, but it also seems "part of the design" (so to speak). Maybe there is a reason for that?

As for "all is one" type stuff, I think its accurate to a point. Kind of like all the stuff in my house is part of the same "one," my house. My own issue comes in when "all is one" jumps to meaning "its all the same." Not.. so.. convinced.. that is accurate.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Now, jump to frame compression.

To an observer, how would it appear to see the frames of the event compressed? Depending on what we were observing, and how we were observing it, it might just appear that we have an event that "breaks" the laws of physics. And, perhaps, it actually does in the observers frame of reference. What interesting possibilities..

What would it mean for us to find such a process and invent a device which can utilize it? I suppose, as a foundation, it would imply that each frame has all of the energy of the universe. It might also imply that the effect of a relative body amplifies energy potential according to the length of time it is "in the picture."

a reply to: Anaana

The reason I mentioned that is because I have seen an increasing number of people making the claim that "time," as a representative concept or otherwise, is solely in the realm of human perception. As if the cosmos itself started dancing when humans arrived and will cease when we are gone.

Even if that is the case, it would seem that as long as we are "here," time is as relevant as gravity. Sure, we must understand them through the human context, which almost certainly has unique properties of its own, but I doubt that observer process dictates the totality of the events observed.

I truly believe the next big jump in human understanding is going to be big. On levels that will not only open new doors, but will redefine the space we are already within.

Coffee!

a reply to: Serdgiam

There is an Old Mother Shipton prophecy that goes something like, that a time will come when we will only know the seasons by the turning of the leaves. I never really got it, to me the seasons have always been denoted by the trees, so perhaps that time that she prophesied is the time that I was born into. Certainly, in terms of such things, calendars and almanacs, in the last couple of decades began to fail farmers, they've adapted, but the increase in rainfall led to more that a few instances of crops rotting in the fields due to excessive rain preventing harvest. Climate change has meant that all over the world, farmers and growers are having to do things differently and not follow time-honoured traditions.

Science has revealed to us the genomes of a growing number of plants, and we can identify the specific genes responsible for germination, and have identified that the light/dark-cycle of the mother is imprinted on the seed, and that this triggers germination. We come similarly equipped. As does every other life form on this planet. Even rocks have "memory" of the time they were created, or more specifically, super-heated. Time is very much a part of the Universal experience, but time as we have measured, quantified and qualified it, as humans, in an attempt to order our place within time and the Universe, in my opinion, gets in the way of us seeing (or feeling) that universality.

Tea!