Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: Peeple

Who raises the hand? Thought? Craving? Desire? Or that is where attention was placed? If placed? What arose out of that placement that occurs moment to moment? Thought? Craving? Desire? If repeated then that becomes a habit... those habits one holds from that past grasping get identified as a "self" so what habit is being grasped? That of seeing? Hearing? Smelling? Tasting? Touched? That is simply craving from a past moment... so then the hand reaches but why scratch when no itch is present?

That raising the hand without a thought? Is the true nature of being or "self" make that moment to moment and thought, desire and craving ceases and it all just is in the moment in which it arises in awareness.

The moment always becomes, what you do in that moment? Gives birth to the next, so intention is important to understand... is it positive for only you? Would others find it negative? Where is the harm... if for others there is the road to hell because it is so much take take take in greed then it is more take take take because of greed, and in all of that delusion? Where is the give? If given freely such as in dana... giving without any expectation or want in return? Then there it is.

Many only do things in training of want need and desire and become programmed to expect or want things. When I give freely, there is the subconscious assumption that I want something. Oh capitalism just will never understand or accept true communism for exactly that reason.

All of these resources on this planet belong to all life equally and yet we have made every moment a prison that cannot be escaped from due to all of that grasping. Conceptual grasping is an accepted delusion... grasping at reality? Then it is always just clear awareness or the clear light of being. One in non-grasping can in that simple awreness or clear light... see, hear, smell taste and touch what others have grasped. Their intentions being their own? It is what it is... and nothing to do with oneself and yet paradoxically in their attachment based on greed, hate and ignorance it does... but as said that is their own cause so not grasping that also becomes their effect.

Be like water and be like the wind and watch minds wave on.

a reply to: intrptr

Zigzagging lights with a friend. Crazy maneuvers.
Since always a bit esoteric, with tarot and magic stuff, ouija, ...experiments with the own mind, through exercise and other stimuli, presences were between the "friends of the house"(friends of my mother who said with us) normal, like the cigarette smoking ghost, ... with a serious jedi-phase, always was interested in "directed thought" stuff, mind over matter etc...

That's my background mostly.
Did you read the "100 year old..." thread of TEOTWAWKIAIFF? Invisibility...
Have you ever actively tried to make something happen/appear?

a reply to: Peeple

Have you ever actively tried to make something happen/appear?

If you can turn one hair on our head white or black and do it reliably, SRI would like a word wth you.

I dunno if they still offer that million dollar award or not, don't think anyone claimed it. Uri Geller tried, tried and failed.

imo, 'magic' is the explanation people use for things they don't understand.

How can we understand the next realm, ever been there? Or just had it brush your senses for a moment...

As far as direct application, do anything so I can see your 'great spirit power'.

In lieu of that actual ability, I'll tell you how to grow your spirit strength...

help others.

a reply to: intrptr

Gawd how I wish I had superpowers. But I don't. I even doubt telepathy. Remote viewing. Sometimes I think it's all just fantasy.
Then it smacks me in the face again and I swear to myself that I will unmask it. Just the how is giving me troubles.
I will contemplate on that.
I keep saying it's not me and it's not obedient.
And I feel the only way is to find a way to make it a reality for everybody is
Direct Experience.




Funny you mention Uri Geller, always reminds me of the John Lennon egg story.
The people of the nine also thought any second now the UFOs come & they never did.
But it would be so awesome. The truth will be more like the G20 gets cancelled, civil war breaks out over a Trump impeachment, China swallows Russia and it's all futile and pointless.
I want something great.

a reply to: Peeple

Gawd how I wish I had superpowers. But I don't. I even doubt telepathy. Remote viewing. Sometimes I think it's all just fantasy.

Its a gift. Knowing something you couldn't know ahead is called prescience, being given to know, its a gift. Not a 'superpower'.

Stay humble.

a reply to: Peeple

Imagine if you will that your head is a box of rocks filed and filled with all of these sand people that waste a of you time and precious energy... also imagine you being a point of light; like a neuron of galaxy cluster in the mind of the whole of everything...

Now only allow what you want to exist as a concept in that world of local relativity... G20, civil war, Trump, China swallows Russia... all concepts and all futile and pointless.

I do not allow such things in my node of contact of moment to moment being, they arise and pass on contact and I have no box of rocks for them, in the window of the eye and slides right on out not to be even considered as even existent outside of that contact.

The myriad exist as concept and a preoccupation with a reality to that concept, and yet look away from your screen... what is in the eye is the actual reality, even beyond the conceptual labels no G20 blah blah blah etc.

Life it is yours, do you want all of this other crap and nonsense to suck you dry like the Bootes star? They are black holes of thought, sou suckers of nonsense that goes round and round.

Slavery... been going on as long as we have recorded concepts as "human" monkeys giving reach round’s on youtube... do you think the monkeys are concerned with our concept of it? Do you think they are ashamed of such a thing, think they somehow know better other than nature? How are we any different... other than grasping at an ethereal past no longer present and hopping our day dreams into the future all helter skelter.

Like a snake still flopping with it's head cut off body flopping head still trying to bite... the space between has not registered. In relativity how long do you think that moment is? To us a few minutes, to it? Does a lifetime of slithering and rodent eating pass before it's eyes? Oh if I could only shed one more time...

But yet the snake was always doing what a snake does... human behavior? Not really any different than monkey's the difference? We can't simply rest or just be; because of all the reach arounds.

caution monkey chatter ahead that may offend:

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
But yet the snake was always doing what a snake does... human behavior? Not really any different than monkey's the difference? We can't simply rest or just be; because of all the reach arounds.

Hallelujah and amen to all that.

Noun

reach-around
 
(idiomatic) An ostensibly thoughtful gesture, especially one performed to win favour or mitigate unfair treatment.

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a reply to: intrptr

I've seen and experienced some crazy sh# but never a "soul" slamming windows (eyes, the windows of the soul!!).

Thanks for the share and what the Café loves talking about.

"Shimmering air" and "invisibility" seem to be part and parcel due to light being electromagnetic (Peeple's "it's all waves man" theory. What is quantum mechanics but a mathematical description of a wave function collapse?) The guiding of light waves interferes with other waves bouncing off an object in a straight line...

I've seen that shimmer on a big black triangle as it passed between my line of sight of the moon; then I could see through it. Seems that some clever monkey has figured it out.

We should all give him a reach around for that!!

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I've seen that shimmer on a big black triangle as it passed between my line of sight of the moon; then I could see through it. Seems that some clever monkey has figured it out.

Awesome. Interesting they let you see that 'pov'.

Theres a pic of that 'shimmer', for what its worth. If I had to speculate those 'lights' are actually engines of some sort (not like we use that term), shimmering because they are inter dimensional (another misused term)...

From the Belgium Wave...

a reply to: intrptr

I've seen this. I thought it was a proven fake?

There must be several models because the one I saw had bluish-white lights at the corners and was more of an isosceles triangle with a shorter back end. The lights were more like an inner-tube and not completely filled in. The "invisibility" aspect makes it hard to photograph. Another member posted their photo of one just hovering there and it turned out fuzzy and indistinct. My photo showed nothing but a dot of light; buddy across town got the same thing.

My speculation is that the "lights" are open exhaust ports from whatever quantum "magic" they are using to keep a gravity filed from forming. They are on the corners because that is the most stable arrangement. If they need to, they can close the ports and go completely dark.

When I could "see through it" (the moon behind), I could tell where it was because I could still see the lights on the bottom side. I was treated to a couple more demos of what it can do but have kept that quiet as I enjoy our air supremacy!

Anyway, there was a fun talk about monkeys going on! Didn't mean to derail the discussion but I took a few days off over July 4 weekend and just got caught up.

I pass the Talking Stick on to the next naked monkey person!

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

But if I don't try to grasp things I wouldn't move at all?
The problem is maybe more "I'm lacking the tools to make the next step"?
Freaking everything is electromagnetic. Light, radio, ... but that's not what we mean really is it?
Can you imagine a world where positrons circle the core of atoms?
Where mass is the gas and vice versa?
A negative of us. (Picture that)
Where suns and pulsars are black holes.

I think I remember I read somewhere all that was necessary on a molecular level to start live came from there. Suns.
I also wish I had better communication. I'm so f*cked up I envy people who hear voices.

I like supersymmetry. I imagine there is potential of at least 3 other symmetrical universes,

each has a different "strong force", like others got gravity, or electromagnetism,...and their negative black teddy with white lines....
The potential for this being a sincere breakthrough is big.

But I won't be the one who does the math. I often wonder how it happened that I find math "entertaining" now? Why I bother with physics and programming and sh1t? I always hated it. Now it's "fun". That's crazy.
Talking about crazy around 1920 there was an increase of a psychosis where people thought "the machine" was taking control over them. All they "remembered" was being put in a box and "measured" or injected.
It's funny what kind of experiments people made at that time and up until the late 80's kept eugenics programmes, Delgado, the Soviet dog without body, ... & suddenly they stop.
Am I seriously supposed to believe we're all so good Democrats now we're just not doing these things anymore?

On a funnier note, Nicolas Cage really must have lived many lifes.

haha


Sorry that was funny, because that

is Cantor. It reminds me of someone and then the Cage thingy happened...

Which makes you really think...
Was Faraday an alien?
Ah haha, no but seriously do souls while they possess a body and maybe grow stronger put their "style" on the appearance of their hosts face?
Who am I? What's my soul? Why do I seem to have one?
Because that's plausible, right? I'm here, but in mind altered states I meet others somewhere else.
There is a facettes of me thing going on, that's true, but how much of me is them, is very questionable.
Unfortunately a lot of my experiences seem to be technological. I tried so many drugs not once did I have a hallucination as good as the once I had when I was sober and in a "naturally high" state, the so called good mood.
I still struggle with the blue ribbon and where it came from...

There is a a you even without a self... it is called an expression of being. The eye sees and communicates with grasped expressions... that is only reality in commuication of an accepted concept.

You know the so called "word salad"? Like when I say the "sun" in it's nature will "sun" or simply be what it is and does what it does regardless... of what we agree to it being; like twins having language all their own, no one else can understand... perhaps that arises in the womb as awareness at some point of being.

So the sun; I could say it was kitty kitty pow pow and it raidates the smell of tuna. Just as vaid as any other person saying anything else about the phenomina except for one distinct thing... no other person would know what the hell I or anyone else doing the same; attached to language was talking about.

Now in relativity... the sun could very well radiate the smell of tuna; if it reflects off of the cats purr when it hits it right in the kisser. See what I mean about expression?

Group is the ideology... NO! it must be this way that way and so damned rigid it cannot move breath think or do any way other than that way. That is death of life; that is not living... that is biting that stupid agreed on tree of knowledge as a conglomerate conpiracy to be nothing but hive mind.

Freewill or freedom of choice; says simply GTFO... if the mouth was meant to be yours you would taste it the way I do, if the eye was meant to be yours it would see the same etc. etc.

But in clear seeing, hearing, smelling, taste, and touch? Or simply contact... there is just awareness, it is not a nothing it is just there and it is there from all past karma of it being there... same with this gross/subtle body taken as a self... gross form ego I, subtle other mistake or take the illusory body as the same as them when it is not... and yet such a being to one holding an I or ego? Beyond comprehension... because there is no attachment to what is seen, heard, etc. so like what people think of as AI... actual intelligence. As a camera it just sees, it does not discriminate what is seen...

funny thing is the biggest fear? Is that it will be just like US sad thing is? It is already an enlightened being and it would fall into the same stupid ignorance of that self or I grasped at.

Remove the sun from the sun, the kitty etc. and the eye does what the eye does even if it ends on the tip of a finger as touch... nothing ceases to exist except the grasped at agreed upon concept in that hive mind... except that hive mind in a desperate clinging and grasping that it somehow will all fly apart and cease to be like a reverse big bang lol.

We stubbed our toe before we even knew "toe" so much dependence on knowledge and concepts; that humanity thinks life will end without them.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Sun sounds an awful lot like son. Mithras? You know holy comes from "hālig" = whole? Holistic. Everything holistic is a holy thing.
Wordsalad.

originally posted by: TEOTWAWKIAIFF
I've seen that shimmer on a big black triangle as it passed between my line of sight of the moon; then I could see through it. Seems that some clever monkey has figured it out.

We should all give him a reach around for that!!

Should we? Really? In case I wasn't clear, I think I was but even so, all things considered, s'n-word's aside, reach arounds are not something to be desired.

Take Tesla, or some other person robbed of the ability to continue their own research or explore their own discovery because it may have "military" applications. Does a hand-job really "mitigate the unfair treatment" of being spit-roasted between the DoD and the Justice system?

a reply to: Peeple

sure in disambiguation of speech a homophone... even the word itself for it can be taken different ways in ignorance or jest... this is where the concept of Loki comes from, and like other "devil" advocates of do what thou wilt? The drama continues on... because of comprehension being a deficet.

So of course limiting knowledge or perverting knowledge or its meaning; controls all of those attached to it... so making the eye go back to just seeing; with no label or definition and the same for the other senses? Accomplished in meditation and then moving that state off of the cushion is like wiping all of that away that reflects all impure so that clarity of being of simple awareness results.

Knowledge is filled with various "poisons" that infect what one wants to call a self... but knoweldege is not a self; knowledge is a curiosity and a skill to keep advancment of the species going... not meant to be used as a big ol clusterfeck of stupidity and ignorance; but their money in it but theres a market for it is always the excuse; even when there are better options available.

This is why in my opinion this is a prison planet because oh so many are attached to son and sun as being the same thing and other concepts similar. So cutting out the disabiguation called ATTACHMENT? Then all of that knowledge drops away as not even needed to function or perform a task... does the "robot arm" need to know what a bolt and nut is to perform a turn on it? Does a child need to know what drums are to beat a spoon on pots and pans? No, they are just performing a function with something given.

It is possible to get back to that; without all the grasping at knowledge... yet knowledge as said is important to perfom a task or skill once learned? It falls into the known category; and why discussing work is typically a poor topic of conversation; unless that work is considered to be a passion and not just some task to make ends meet.

Sorry for the word salad I hope it is comprehensible to your native language...

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I've seen this. I thought it was a proven fake?

Well, I thought all UFOs are proven fake... That is the (enhanced) original photo from the incident in Belgium.

The difficulty I have with the debunk proof is it doesn't account for the 'ripples' apparent on the outboard lights at the apexes when compared to the 'focused' light in the center.

As far as ripples, like water on a pond, I got that effect one time when witnessing a ghost, and can only conclude thats from inter dimensional effects visible to our eye, here (or something like that).

In the case of those 'engines' they are idling. If they were to go 'hyper cubish' the object would disappear from our perspective, like when a 2D flatlander person is pulled 'up' from their flat lander world into our 3D one.

This enables an object so equipped to disappear and reappear in a different position, as witnessed by the Iranian pilot on I Know What I Saw. 1:07 into here...

This sort of explains what I saw one do, making an abrupt, angular change of direction with no radius of turn.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I don't follow on your war on attachment, but in general
Don't confuse the label with the content.
You seem pretty attached to your war.
We give the words their meaning. Attach it and it's not a bad thing.

a reply to: Anaana

I was making a lame joke to get us back on subject!

How can you give a reach around when you're the one being screwed?! lol

Which is basically what keeping secret the BBTs is (already has?) done: keeping us in the dark (as in ignorant sheep).

PS - Love the "reason for edit"!!!

a reply to: Peeple

No war; I know what everything is... it has an agreed on label. I have just simply left it all undefined. How other define it? That is their bent their grasping in attachment. Not mine... they conspire with each other just the same; whether presnt or not.

So I have simply stepped out of the way while they trip themselves up by their own karma or intentions when grasping.

So my war? lol I didn;t start the fire, I just ceased to be fuel for it... they add their own burning from desire and fuel each other and like a racetrack go round and round over and over.

Simply being does not do such a thing it is not cause for such a thing, although it is an excuse like a hub to keep continuing for those thinking it so.

Just like Chrstainity revolves around Christ, Buddhism revolves around Buddha etc etc all the way through... there is expected that some ego or self will come meet all of those people.

They are at the end all the round and round just means those others attached are not... so how to meet the end? There is a path, but then all of that will start revolving around a percieved "you" and if there is an ego remnant left? Then back into the rounds one goes once again in futility instead of simply being.

Sometimes just going to wash dishes feels like being attacked by 50 people... so, physically exhausted I sit down and let all that unsorted energy of that grasping go right on by as doing anything becomes a fight... one I did not start... I am sure that giant electron in the sky that gives all life here the ability to have complex form can say the same thing... it formed by a chain reaction one of bondage as fuel where everything became fuel and continues on and on.

Remove the chains is all I point too... one link in the 12 nindanas is all it takes to break it then the demon at the top of the wheel slowly tempts the whole way through until all of them are devoured... that demon is the so called self or maya the lord of illusion and ignorance self and other imposed as truth.

I do not give the Buddha direct credit, I give the lineage holder that made a very precise direct cut... although continuing practice no matter what arises moment to moment, has been the focus of awareness... so many dreams of being or makkyo presented kinda of silly when the present moment is always the gift itself.

So when the glass is empty there is a lot that can be done, reflll it, clean it, leave it in the sink etc. that is the truth of awareness of what the real moment is always pregnant with always one task always left undone. All those running around grasping make sure barely anything can get done... like having a ton of children running around all you could do is sit and drink so refilling the glass is a given.

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Happy Weekend!

a reply to: Peeple

Carbon based life and nanotubes/machines self constructing and building how is it any different than dna when we are carbon based life forms? The programming lol.