Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

Oh baby you're back. ...I seriously know a couple which called eachother "baby" so much I thought they're making fun, you know doing it ironically and I started laughing and pointing fingers at them how stupid it sounds... I am not very good with people.

And now I picture you combing your luscious hair... sthg is indeed wrong with all of this.

a reply to: Peeple

Well, by posting "know more," you gave me the opportunity to pontificate. Something I greatly enjoy and appreciate

In that specific realm of things, how I've applied my software is pretty similar to what we are talking about. Its tough to go into specifics without getting way, way too lengthy. No one has expressed much interest either, even with some heavy-handed hints at what the stuff can do Not so much talking about ATS though.

Anyway, the working idea is a real time pay system that leverages technology in order to incentivize a more complex system. It would be able to compensate for skills and tasks in action, including level of ability relative to the rest of the field.

So, a Baker would be compensated immediately for doing something like repairing a pothole properly. And, after showing some sort of talent at filling potholes, would receive compensation accordingly (relative to the skill and ability of others performing the same task).

Not too abstract so far (I don't think?), but part of the code also accounts for someone who improves, potentiates, or otherwise optimizes the work of others. That might include everything from a tool that makes sleeving engine cylinders quicker, to a concept or improvement that improves the efficacy of, say, solar panels, all the way to the real time skill and value of an individual that is simply talented at organizing others (a "manager").

Admittedly, its probably the most back-burnered part of the whole project.. (the burner isn't even turned on ) but they all use the same "AI" and modules to operate (which is what makes it all so powerful).

And while that might be my idea, I think there are an enormous amount of options that have opened up with the tools at our disposal. I actually feel that greed can be an effective motivational tool, but like any tool, its all in how we use it. In my eyes, there are ways that satiate greed to an even greater extent than now. Ways that not only benefit individuals, but society at large.

I think the most unhealthy part of it currently is the notion that personal gain isn't as meaningful if it isn't at the huge expense of others. When, in fact, acting on that outlook greatly limits possibilities across the board, including the ones that perceive they are on the winning end.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I don't know if it was "before your time," but ATS actually had that exact feature! And it wasn't that long ago either..

During one of the site updates, it was removed for some reason, much to my own chagrin. I REALLY hope they bring it back. The cynic in me thinks that too many were removing political forums from their Recent feed. Since I suspect those have become the biggest source of traffic, people ignoring them might have impacted revenue. So.. the option was removed.

I still wouldn't mind an ignore feature though. I think many are projecting when they state others would "block" people they simply disagree with. For me, there are plenty of users I ignore completely as is, it would just make it easier on me not to have to parse that while reading a thread. Luckily, most keep things like avatars and color themes static.

Basically, if I can accurately predict what someone will say every time over the course of months.. and if the vast majority of those times I feel its nothing but idiocy.. I usually end up adding them into the scroll-on-by category. I know that's not "nice," but it is honest! There are really only maybe a couple dozen people on that list, of all stripes and opinion.

I have no doubt plenty ignore me as well. Frankly, I think it happens with everyone on some level, so I've always struggled to buy into most of the excuses as to why it wont be implemented. *shrugs*

a reply to: Serdgiam

Sorry all I can think about right now is: I get 2-3 rats on Monday, all girls, if it is 2 they'll be Lillith and Eva, if it is 3 Lola, Lucy and Lillith. I ordered them a veritable castle and have already big plans for their careers. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah little furry monsters! Yeahi.

Weird dreams last night (Tuesday night - Wednesday morning)!

One was a house sitting somewhere. People kept coming back before they were supposed to.

Another was actually kind of cool! The whole dream was in vivid color. I had a copy of this huge book, like Oxford English Dictionary size. When you opened it there were other different colored books inside. Each one addressed a topic in Fight Club! How to build a catapult. How to write music. How symphonies are structured. How to make soap. How to paint. etc. There was a collected teaching of Tyler Durden. The last pages were strange. They were blue prints on how to make a UFO!

I am sure it was because I read the intro to Fight Club 2 last night. Strange and cool none the less.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

You know, I've been having some very strange dreams as well.

Ever since I got sick, I basically don't dream at all, ever. The day before "the event," I had been lucid dreaming all night, every night for years and years. As I learned, its a completely different kind of existence after consistent, prolonged exposure. If I'm honest, it felt like some sort of violation .. but when that vague notion is mixed with a bit of amnesia, its hard to tell.

So, all of a sudden having dreams a couple nights in a row is rather jarring after a decade of none whatsoever.

Maybe its the apocalypse I can get behind that.

If you're looking for a ruler you should vote for me. I'm perfect, I hate hierarchies. I would give you all the Marxist, currency free worth based, one Netherlands world order you don't know yet that it was the thing you needed to be happy, but you should.
Vote me as your queen of the milkyway way and I promise you nothing less than everything new, where putting the needs of the many first is regarded worthy and true, where you will be rewarded for being unique and true to yourself by a society of honest, chillaxed happy individuals, working their best to proliferate the humanistic ideology out into a colourful universe we will enrichen with honesty and integrity, earthstyle.
Not the current Earth, a lovely luscious blooming home world we garden and take care of to the best standards we are capable of.
One for all, all for one
all for love



And this will be our hymn. Don't gimme a lip on that one or I will smash your teeth in...because I love you and care for you.
Amen hare Krishna shalom shiva and all of that.



Haha and I wonder why it made my doctors today breathe so heavily when I told them I want to be released into the wild....I believe I found the answer....
My language is full of flowers, lotus.

a reply to: Peeple

I'm certainly not looking for a ruler Quite the opposite, really..

And even though what I've been talking about may be perceived as being against currency in general, I maintain that it is an immensely valuable tool. We just have to create the proper paradigm of incentives to make it work for us, instead of us becoming a slave to an item of our own making.

I also feel the trick is balancing the needs of the many with the needs of the individual (few). Kind of like how basic meditation leads to each "system" gaining immense individuality leading to a stronger, more vast total system. Strength through total decentralization, where each individual is enabled through equal parts self-sufficiency and national (even global) teamwork.

I think its a harmful misnomer that a completely self-sufficient individual or group is incapable of bringing anything to the table of the world at large. Taking food production as an example, a decentralized system yields significantly more stability, reliability, and diversity to the food supply. Disrupting the flow of goods in such a system is nearly impossible in comparison to a large scale, centralized "bread basket" approach. It also has the added benefit, if employed properly, of eliminating the need of something like food stamps at the same time as addressing the issue more effectively.

I think its a really interesting, though subtle and nuanced conversation. One that would require the breaking of a cultural control loop that has been embedded since the Neolithic Revolution. A difficult undertaking, to say the least, but with the right catalyst.. completely possible.

All that said, "King of the Galaxy" (actually, emperor) is already an occupied position. So, you might need to add more steps into your proposal. There seems to be little concern for a backwater world like Earth though. Maybe a representative Duchess position would lead to more awareness? ;P

Totally dig the song though.

a reply to: Serdgiam

You can grow tomatoes in the desert. We got fantastic tools, this might surprise you but I am thrilled by the opportunities modern science creates, we are at a point where we do "look through the loop"so to speak.
We just don't dare to imagine enough, radically enough. Like the junky talk of letting go of currency and everybody goes
"Whoa..." gets up and goes to get some more. Classic additiction behaviour.
Self sustainability, self sufficiency that's what we have to achieve, we assume it's a given, but it's not. And it is too much to ask from an individual, that's exactly why humans gathered to survive in groups.
Dare to think the unthinkable.
I don't care if the position queen of the milky way is already taken, I want a new & better world.
With a positive new paradigm we can embrace. Like what if the perfect super human race is only possible with the widest possible genetic diversity in one individual?
That would spin our heads.
The fact that Earth in our time is the only inhabitable planet we know of. Because we have to spread life. We are life.
Not light. Light doesn't make any f*cking sense.
(And it would be even more beautiful if we could think a tad bit more on things we receive through the "ether". Something I learned from "the nine")

What was my point? I ramble again. Right the group we live in means regional sufficiency. There is beautiful technology to turn ocean water into drinking water. Plastic eating critters, cross them with sea snail and take care of TEOTWAWKIAIFFs plastic islands. Genetic engineering is not exactly new to the humans, we do that since the first cultivation of weed.
And it is so stupid we focus on working on human genes before we crack the full genome, instead of focusing on what it can do to make everybody have a full belly.
Or help us feed the few animals we still have. And if we could stop thinking things are only valuable to us if we eat them... we also buy game theory then and I think we are stupid again. Inhumane. We are different. We have ape in our ancestry but we are different. Mentally. Our niche in the cosmos, the bigger tree of life, is unique.

We are good people. With awesome tools. We should focus on that.

a reply to: Peeple

I really can't make this up!

MIT News, July 26, 2017 - SproutsIO aims to power a “Personal Produce” movement.

They have a little kit that is currently crowd sourced at US$600. It is a tub that holds water, a lid that contains nutrients and seeds (and provides a light shield so algae and what not doesn't grow in the water), and an LED grow light. For the price you also get an app that shows where your plants are in the grow cycle (and when to harvest). It is part aeroponic and hydroponic as the seeds' roots grow down and are misted with water (the nutrients are on the bottom of the lid then dissolve in the water to be misted again). So it grows its roots in air!

A mini garden for herbs, veggies, tea, and chili peppers (current offerings). They have already tested other models and the software around Boston. They are about ready to start selling for reelz to Joe Public.

I think the Caféterians are generally "tapped in" to innovative thinking. I mean, "I love you guys!"

a reply to: Peeple

I agree with you pretty hardcore

Its why I do the work I do. If I'm honest though, I waiver and flip flop on whether or not I feel its "worth it." Just being open here, but I really struggle with working through my health to accomplish what I have. It'd be incredibly helpful to create a team, but no one wants to play ball.

For food, the system I have designed is based on everyday aquaponics, but automated in order to enable even the disabled to grow and harvest their own food.

Everything is monitored in real time, delivering everything from nutrients to maintaining Ph. The cool part though, at least to me, is that the system monitors and learns the best course of action while taking all variables into account. Not only does this allow for ever increasing yields in any environment, without having different setups for different ecosystems, but enables the ability to have diverse crops with the same amount of effort as a single crop.

Phase 3 will involve drones and articulated arms for harvesting and general care. The drones serve multiple duties in the technology suite though, including cleanup around the house.

It also all ties into the larger system, so if the code discovers that opening windows 3, 4, and 5 when the wind is blowing SSW at 8 MPH increases yield, or improves any aspect of the system, it will not only take that into account but will attempt to improve it even further.

I think the neatest part is cost. Since I'm the one that builds everything from lights to sensors, I can hit an incredible pricepoint.

The whole system includes agricultural, HVAC modules (one of the biggest parts of the deal), lighting, water treatment, entertainment (home theater using speakers, amps, etc. of my own design and construction), special insulation, windows, energy, and more.

The entire system, including a 1400 sqft house can be offered for under 30k and everything is also designed to be capable of retrofitting into any existing structure. Ideally (that word..), everything would be open source as well.

I used to be pretty excited about it all, including trying to recruit a team that would offset my limited abilities due to health. When that failed, I figured that each piece I finished and installed would lessen my daily workload and slowly enable me to do more and more. I have yet to make meaningful headway in that regard, because of everything from finances (even $20 is a pretty significant sum in my position) to my damn back.

So, let me ask you and anyone reading: does this sound at all interesting? I've given very little information, but I think enough to give a general idea. Keeping in mind that 90% of this is long past the initial ideas and design phase, but my health is a severe, seemingly insurmountable roadblock to further progress.

If it is at all interesting, what do you think could be done taking health into consideration? The only responses I have ever received, other than my dead father, are either just lip service (if that) or occasional buyout offers. The latter being a consideration if they actually understood the work and, even more importantly, the potential, purpose, and meaning behind the work.

Bit of a ramble, bit of a rant, and hopefully, some interesting stuff. In my mind, I obviously think my own work is intriguing, but just as much, I find it interesting to consider how such a structure could be used to leverage even larger societal and cultural changes.

We will see if this posts, e-gremlins tend to not like me talking about it..

And I agree with you TEOT, we do tend to be tapped into innovative thinking. At least I like to think I am, but lying to ourselves is a very human past time. Maybe we can do something with that tap..

a reply to: Serdgiam

You could hire me. As long as I got 3-4 hours a day for writing I could be your 20 hrs screwdriver fetcher... sounds awesome and I am cheap, food and a bed, I cook really good, mostly Italian.
And I could see the US for a while which would be fantastic.
Hire me.

a reply to: Peeple

I like a good cause!

@Serdgiam, that sounds like a really good idea! Kind of "hippy" but also actually doing something instead of complaining or telling somebody their idea won't work. If you're going to fail, fail brilliantly! The problem is going to the so called, "next level". Then all kinds of stupid stuff happens and the leaches and vultures appear. I mean lawyers and accountants. Then idea becomes anchor and you face that, "sell out or sink" decision. Stupid economic system keeping good ideas down because of the love of the almighty dollar.

I think we should do some kind of "death switch." So when the man overburdens the donkey, that last straw sets off a chain of events that shows others how to un-yoke themselves from the system. I guess we can cross that bridge when we come to it! At the very least, you might need some computer skills and I am very good at organization. I can volunteer, right? If time is money, you can have some of my time!



I really cannot make this stuff up!

How a product is designed, its aesthetics, and how seamless an integration it makes into a person’s life is what allows us to distinguish one product from another, and one industry competitor from another. Liberal arts-based subjects are key to this because they tend to teach students how to understand human nature, and are creative at heart. Steve Jobs knew this, and said so after Apple’s launch of the iPad in 2011: “It’s in Apple’s DNA that technology alone is not enough. It’s technology married with the liberal arts, married with the humanities, that yields the results that makes our hearts sing.” And now Jony Ive, Apple’s chief design officer, is doing a stint as chancellor of the UK’s Royal College of Arts to help other students realize the importance of this.

Quartz.com - Tech firms are forgetting about STEM and focusing on STEAM.

People are starting to realize that STEM (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) is not enough for the future workforce. The new acronym has an 'A' in it that stands for 'Arts'. Back in my day it was called "multi-disciplinary" where you combine aspects of BA with aspects of a BS to produce a weirdo like myself!

When you sit back and look at what is working and what is not you seeing things at the system level (kind of like a "meta" level!!). That is mostly what my job is but seeing IT from a business perspective (then getting the two sides to work together to use tech as a proper and fitted tool).

The article describes a few places that looking for liberal arts grads and not engineers. The Jobs quote is near the bottom and the 'A is for arts' is near the top. If you have a few minutes, give it a read.

Are these guys reading this thread?! lol

a reply to: Peeple

I don't know how serious you are about that, but honestly, I would seriously consider it.

The bottom line is I need help. I think even if I was healthy that I would struggle. But, when it comes down to it, I think this stuff is really big and really important. The daily battle with my health and the scope of the project is.. frustrating and intimidating. Since the death of my dad, I feel rather lost in it all.

The biggest pipedream is a small spacecraft. Which isn't quite as far fetched as it might sound; the technology suite is a fully self-contained, self-sufficient ecosystem that adapts regardless of environment.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

I would deeply appreciate any help, truly. And I can offer training for any areas that are troublesome.

A big part of the project is having one central core computer that is complemented with micro-computer nodes (most likely raspberry pi's, though I also work with beaglebones, arduinos, etc.).

I do most of my work in Python, its a relatively powerful language and it has endless Monty Python connections. I've thought about C# as well, but throwing learning a new language into the mix seems unwise.

The "next level" stuff is indeed tricky. My dad and I threw around the idea of a deadmans switch combined with an epoxy laden black box. The balance between the desire to open source and the reality of the situation is a hell of a thing to maintain. The best option may be stages.

Currently, the manufacturing is mostly done by hand with a mix of 3d printed parts and cardboard. The latter may invoke a laugh, but the stuff is incredible as long as it doesn't get wet.

Jumping right to STEAM... I think that mix was a long time coming! Creativity alone is critical to innovation. But, there is an art element to even the driest of sciences, an element that I do think has been lost a bit.

I have a very strange perspective though, my family is basically a mix of artists, engineers, and scientists. My grandfather helped design things like the AMU (astronauts chair) and my aunt was a world renowned gold/silver artist. The dynamic between these seemingly disparate approaches led to some incredible stuff.

a reply to: Serdgiam

Hey, I've done some Python stuff! Nothing too outrageous but it will not be a total foreign language to me. And that would be a good reason to get my Linux desktop back up and running! I'm not sure how many distros I am back now! I don't think I have much of anything that can't be replaced as it was just testing out features. But hey I can install BSD from the CL and get the GUI up and a running so that put ahead of most point and clickers!

People thought I was crazy going back to college for an English degree! Except one chemist chick that was also a snowboard friend. She said, "Cool! It is like your giving the second half of your brain a work out." I think she was right! And fits right in with sci-fi... STEAM punk!

We're doing quarterly reviews (snorefest) here. It always reminds me of the classic interview question, "Where do you see yourself in five years?" And then there is an awkward pause from me. "Well... looking at where I was five years ago..." which leads to "I didn't see myself here, doing this" which is honest which is not always the best job interview strategy. Here I am doing something I did not see myself doing 10-, let alone, 5- years ago.

Who knows where the next five will go?

Open source is kind of a vital factor in my world view. I hate being hostage to MIC concerns which means they are sitting on tech that could be really healthy to our environment which means our health. But we always come back full circle to that demon-lover, money. Well, it is nice to have to get a meal, diversions like movies or concerts, it is not the be all, end all goal in life. Sharing doesn't scare me at all and compared to what state the world is in, seems like an obvious reaction to the mega-rich.

Well, take care! I popped in earlier and have a couple more things to do before running out the door for the weekend. Poor Peeps thinks I'm having some glamorous life but it really is not. Stupid house chores, some beers, some TV, then... crap, it is Sunday afternoon?! I mean, sh#! It is already the end of July!

-TEOT

a reply to: Serdgiam

I didn't expect you to consider it, need about a month to get my stuff in order and am like 98% serious. Just say the word. I love helping.


General Weirdness: 5 minutes ago I was smoking a cigarette and out of nowhere started singing "stand by me" Hans sat across from me "stop it that was my sons favourite song" he died 2 weeks ago and I am like "f*ck sorry" it's not part of my usual repertoire and I seriously don't know where it came from, now I am a bit freaking out.



Also I was building the cage yesterday and there were 2 screws missing, which then showed up, first the one then the other in a place where I am pretty sure I would have seen them if they would have been there all the time. But I didn't photograph it so... maybe just my brain, but I would swear they appeared out of nowhere.

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

It's in the force/flow. Like Cosmic Censorship is a scientific way to describe the control loop. If the phenomenon is considered approaching singularity.

In 2-3 hours the girls move in! I'm so terrorfied & excited....

a reply to: Peeple

Also my favourite shop sent me the double amount of what I ordered. Today is the BEST day ever.


And thanks to you, I have blown my own mind. I got a book idea which makes me squeek whenever I think about it. Which is great, gosh I love the world today.
Law of attraction working on 160hz

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Peeple

Also my favourite shop sent me the double amount of what I ordered. Today is the BEST day ever.


And thanks to you, I have blown my own mind. I got a book idea which makes me squeek whenever I think about it. Which is great, gosh I love the world today.
Law of attraction working on 160hz

It's an excited squeak and I think I tune in on the girls before they even arrive which is fantastic.

The cage

Is it big enough? Will they like it?
I keep on putting new stuff in over time, but I thought I hold some things back to fight boredom in time. Is that wrong?


Entirely unrelated, if I use cards, is maths and energy. If I get new ones, I touched them carry them while I remain at zero excitement, meaning the average mood I have when I am emotionally "empty", not in a bad way just zero. And then I expect them to communicate in maths.
That's mind blowing too.