The 8 min clip where the FBI lays out the PUBLIC evidence against Trump..

originally posted by: Arnie123
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Really? because I see none. I see an establishment scrambling at the fact the Trump operates much differently. I've never believed the whole Russian scare angle. This is fear mongering that we excel at, ever since the Cold War. The tactics worked then, it still works now.

Again, who recorded Flynn's call? and released it? which is fact.

I have listed out the highlights at least 7 or 8 times this thread.

Watch the video and tell me all of that is just a coincidence.

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Phage

It's such a rare sight to see you peddling conspiracy theories like an overly loquacious abductee on the hypnotist's chair.

I'll even toast to such an occasion.

You're right, Phage has gone Conspiracy Theorist!! I wonder if he can at all can grasp the cognitive dissonance of such epic hypocrisy?

Is it still a conspiracy theory if it is the most logical conclusion???

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Is it still a conspiracy theory if it is the most logical conclusion???

Yes.

And your conflation of logical is purely subjective.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

And yet we hacked Merkel's cell phone.

That's not hacking, actually. That's actually tapping. But yeah, that was a bad idea. Even if legal.

You mean when he commented on something that was already public knowledge?

Was it? I thought it was after a security briefing that he and Clinton received. A briefing which included classified information.

I'm talking about the Russian hack of the DNC, which we now know could have been fabricated by the CIA thanks to Vault 7.

Well, there you go. Let's just ignore it all because all of our intelligence agencies are crooked.

Why bother with a Congressional investigation? The Trump, et al. can do no wrong. Right?

originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Arnie123
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Verified? source.

In good standing?

Your opinions don't count, evidence does.

Like plane trips by top aids to Moscow, top aids having releasing information only the Russians had, lying about secret meetings with Russia and Flynn getting caught in the payroll of a Russian puppet state in turkey??

You mean all of that easily verifiable evidence..

Oh and let's not forget trumps ONLY change to the GOP platform just days before the leaks started..

Oh now Turkey is puppet state of Russia?
Come on...just stop with this nonsense.
Erdogan has butted heads with Putin on many occasions, most recently over Syria where Erdogan wants Assad out too, just like the US does. Putin backs Assad.
Turkey is a NATO member, not a member of the new Leftist version of the "Warsaw Pact".
Was Flynn caught looking with a fastball?...yes he was but his role as an "agent" of Turkey means nothing like you Leftists think it does.

Google turkeys affiliation..

It says they have relied on Russia as their super power bestie for the last decade..

All their oil comes from Russia..

All there military hardware comes from Russia . Exc.

I was curious when the Flynn as a Turkish agent broke and checked into it.

Speculation. In the meantime, actual crimes have come to light, namely, the leaking of classified info to a hostile press and their subservient parrots. But I'm still unsure why we'd ignore the actual crimes in favor of make-believe ones.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ColdWisdom

And yet we hacked Merkel's cell phone.

That's not hacking, actually. That's actually tapping. But yeah, that was a bad idea. Even if legal.

You mean when he commented on something that was already public knowledge?

Was it? I thought it was after a security briefing that he and Clinton received. A briefing which included classified information.

I'm talking about the Russian hack of the DNC, which we now know could have been fabricated by the CIA thanks to Vault 7.

Well, there you go. Let's just ignore it all because all of our intelligence agencies are crooked.

Why bother with a Congressional investigation? The Trump, et al. can do no wrong.

Not a big surprise, the whole theme of conservatism is that all the world is in a vast conspiracy to make the GOP look bad..

It isn't had to transform that onto trump and move the GOP into the "everyone against us " their..

a reply to: Phage

Well, there you go. Let's just ignore it all because all of our intelligence agencies are crooked.

Let's go back to my original question before you make yourself dizzy:

Can you prove that what Russia did was covert and or illegal?

And I'll even one-up that and ask:

Can you prove that Russia even meddled at all?

You certainly cannot prove that Russia supplied Wikileaks with DNC emails. Though you and Bill Maher finally have something in common, now.

You're both conspiracy theorists!

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Speculation. In the meantime, actual crimes have come to light, namely, the leaking of classified info to a hostile press and their subservient parrots. But I'm still unsure why we'd ignore the actual crimes in favor make-believe ones.

Hmm on one hand the president of the USA prob committed treason in an attempt to sway his own election..

And on the other some one told on him..

Hmmmm

Which takes precedence??

Someone who leaked proof that Flynn (a secret Turkish agent) was giving the Russian ambassador assurances that sanctions would be lifted.. is obviously the deeper issue..

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Phage

Well, there you go. Let's just ignore it all because all of our intelligence agencies are crooked.

Let's go back to my original question before you make yourself dizzy:

Can you prove that what Russia did was covert and or illegal?

And I'll even one-up that and ask:

Can you prove that Russia even meddled at all?

You certainly cannot prove that Russia supplied Wikileaks with DNC emails. Though you and Bill Maher finally have something in common, now.

You're both conspiracy theorists!

If every single US intelligence agency agreeing doesn't count as credible evidence to you then nothing ever will...

Russia did what was in russias best interest and so did trump..

Sadly it was at the expense of the American people..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

If every single US intelligence agency agreeing doesn't count as credible evidence to you then nothing ever will...

Funny you mentioned every intelligence agency. I'll bet you can't even name the 17 agencies off-hand.

And I'll bet you also overlooked the fact that in reality only three intelligence agencies placed their credibility on the line (FBI, NSA, CIA) and of the three of them the one that would have been able to make the best case (NSA) only revealed their level of confidence to be 'moderate.'

One person spoke for all 17 agencies. By the way, were you aware that one of the 17 agencies is Coast Guard Intelligence?

What resources does the Coast Guard have to investigate a cyber attack?

Can you link me to just one case prior to this where the Coast Guard was called in to investigate a cyber crime?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Speculation. In the meantime, actual crimes have come to light, namely, the leaking of classified info to a hostile press and their subservient parrots. But I'm still unsure why we'd ignore the actual crimes in favor make-believe ones.

Hmm on one hand the president of the USA prob committed treason in an attempt to sway his own election..

And on the other some one told on him..

Hmmmm

Which takes precedence??

Someone who leaked proof that Flynn (a secret Turkish agent) was giving the Russian ambassador assurances that sanctions would be lifted.. is obviously the deeper issue..

Probably committed treason? Like I said, speculation. Probably isn't good enough.

Flynn resigned. The secret agent nonsense doesn't fit the facts. Make-believe crimes vs. Real ones, and you choose the former.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Can you prove that what Russia did was covert and or illegal?

That has to be an all time classic straw man argument.

Of course I can't prove it. I don't have access to any classified information.

Do you think our very extremely smart president was fooled when he said, "I think it was the Russians?"

a reply to: Phage

Of course I can't prove it. I don't have access to any classified information.

You should put that line in your signature.

I think it would pair well with your predictably skeptical UFO musings.

That has to be an all time classic straw man argument.

This coming from the guy who didn't know what Grizzly Steppe was.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Yeah, well.
This thread isn't about me. Is it?

This coming from the guy who didn't know what Grizzly Steppe was.

This coming from the guy who doesn't know what a straw man argument is.

a reply to: Phage

This coming from the guy who doesn't know what a straw man argument is.

Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position.

This description perfectly mimics your entire posting pattern on ATS.

You are the invocation of the straw man on crack, my friend.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn't support.

Also known as putting words in someone's mouth.

Which is what you have been doing. Continually.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

In what time paradox is a 28 minute clip 8 minutes?

originally posted by: imitator
I haven't been following fake news lately.... so it took the FBI 3 months to fabricate a story? This stuff is becoming laughable.... Me thinks the the liberals are digging their own grave.

You haven't been reading ATS if you haven't noticed that Russia's ploy has been documented here every step of the way... for over a year. Once the Republicans secure their new conservative Supreme Court judge, they can throw Trump under the bus in order to retain their majority.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I think it would pair well with your predictably skeptical UFO musings.

You seem to be an enthusiastic purveyor of "alt-reality." Part of the Kremlin's campaign is to spread palpable nonsense to create confusion and mistrust. Once people begin to believe irrational things, rationality is undermined and minds become malleable.