The 8 min clip where the FBI lays out the PUBLIC evidence against Trump..

I don't think FSB was involved in the hacking. Hacking a gmail is peanuts and it would take an ordinary civilian hacker to do it. Heck, Trump could have paid a couple hundred bucks to Russian civilian hackers to hack every gmail account at the DNC.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
I don't think FSB was involved in the hacking. Hacking a gmail is peanuts and it would take an ordinary civilian hacker to do it. Heck, Trump could have paid a couple hundred bucks to Russian civilian hackers to hack every gmail account at the DNC.

So you don't think the FSB was involved because it was too easy?

a reply to: DJW001

FSB wouldn't have gotten involved because they don't want any traces. Guccifer 2.0 is likely some random civilian hacker who took a few hundred bucks from Trump to hack DNC's gmail accounts. America cannot arrest a Russian citizen so a Russian civilian hacker is safe.

Heck, that 22 year old Canadian guy from Kazakhstan who hacked 500 million Yahoo accounts was a civilian, not FSB.

link

a reply to: DJW001

The FSB wouldn't do it directly but that doesn't mean they don't civilian assets to do it for them on the side.

Just like our CIA. You do all your shady stuff through proxies with various go between people to buffer between the agency and the people doing stuff.

If you do it well enough nobody even has to know who they're working for so the ones calling the shots never get caught.

That's how I'd do it anyway.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: SaturnFX
How long before President Pence is in office...get the traitor Trump away from office and in a more fitting area...like prison.

I may not like Pence's stances in many areas, but he is presidential.

Goodnight Trump..the train seems to be coming to a stop

I think you have to drop his appointments since the election it's self is at the root.

Doesnt work like that. no guilt by association. of course all will be scrutinized and if anything comes up, it will be addressed then, but rules apply. When Nixon was..."resigned" from office, Ford stepped up.

But nixons offence wasn't arguably the reason he won the presidency..


I'm sure this would be virgin territory as to how you handle it..is there anything in US history that would be equivalent??

I'm with you pence is the legal choice, but considering it involves his own election...

I just don't think people would let it slide..

That said imho I think pence is the only one in trumps inner circle who doesn't know..

I think he is there conservative face man and not at all trusted to that level.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I think it's funny how everyone on the left is now siding with the government. I think it is also funny that even people on ATS are citing and even trusting the CIA FBI etc. like they are working for our interests.

Everyone switched sides, it's hilarious. I don't even think people realize it.

You guys do remember Comey letting Hilldog off the hook right? You do remember the whole intelligence community gunning for Trump ever since he won the nomination.... right? You do remember the crooks with a D and an R in front of their names gunning for Trump... right? You are seeing the whole neocon camp flipping out... right? You guys are rooting for the Bush family, the Clinton Family, the Mccain family, big banks, wall street, the Fed, etc......

These people are not our friends. They never have been and never will be. Did we all of the sudden forget 9/11, OKC bombing, Iraq, Afhganistan, and every other money grabbing false flag perpetrated against the American people?

Why is everyone all of the sudden siding with the corrupt self serving political establishment? Have you all lost your minds? Who cares if you hate Trump. Who cares if you think he is an idiot. He is going against the very power structures that have been murdering and robbing the entire planet forever.

Get out of your partisan brainwashing and look at who you are siding with. It is disappointing coming from ATS.

a reply to: Winstonian

Why is everyone all of the sudden siding with the corrupt self serving political establishment? Have you all lost your minds? Who cares if you hate Trump. Who cares if you think he is an idiot. He is going against the very power structures that have been murdering and robbing the entire planet forever.

No, Donald Trump is now the corrupt and self serving government. He is now at the top of the very power structure. His proposed budget slashes social services and scientific research and boosts military spending, The murdering and robbing is just beginning. You need to ask yourself why you have switched sides.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Winstonian

Why is everyone all of the sudden siding with the corrupt self serving political establishment? Have you all lost your minds? Who cares if you hate Trump. Who cares if you think he is an idiot. He is going against the very power structures that have been murdering and robbing the entire planet forever.

No, Donald Trump is now the corrupt and self serving government. He is now at the top of the very power structure. His proposed budget slashes social services and scientific research and boosts military spending, The murdering and robbing is just beginning. You need to ask yourself why you have switched sides.

If your guys in charge , then he would have to be in on it...

The danger of relying on the conspiracy crowd as your base is that they always flip to the out of power side..

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: JoshuaCox

I think it's funny how everyone on the left is now siding with the government. I think it is also funny that even people on ATS are citing and even trusting the CIA FBI etc. like they are working for our interests.

Everyone switched sides, it's hilarious. I don't even think people realize it.

You guys do remember Comey letting Hilldog off the hook right? You do remember the whole intelligence community gunning for Trump ever since he won the nomination.... right? You do remember the crooks with a D and an R in front of their names gunning for Trump... right? You are seeing the whole neocon camp flipping out... right? You guys are rooting for the Bush family, the Clinton Family, the Mccain family, big banks, wall street, the Fed, etc......

These people are not our friends. They never have been and never will be. Did we all of the sudden forget 9/11, OKC bombing, Iraq, Afhganistan, and every other money grabbing false flag perpetrated against the American people?

Why is everyone all of the sudden siding with the corrupt self serving political establishment? Have you all lost your minds? Who cares if you hate Trump. Who cares if you think he is an idiot. He is going against the very power structures that have been murdering and robbing the entire planet forever.

Get out of your partisan brainwashing and look at who you are siding with. It is disappointing coming from ATS.

I think it is hilarious that there are only two options...

Either all the world is in a vast conspiracy against trump..

Or one billionaire is full of "beep"...


Hmmm.. which is the most logical option?!?!

Lol

Lol..

Oh and partisan?!?!

You mean like telling the world there was an investigation on hillary for emails and not mentioning the fact that Trump was also under investigation for treason?????

Obviously the system was soooo rigged for hillary...





You mean like denying the MOUNTAIN of evidence from every intelligence agency that trump made a deal with the opposition??

a reply to: JoshuaCox

But nixons offence wasn't arguably the reason he won the presidency..

According to intelligence agencies, neither was Trump's victory.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Lol, not sure what you watched, but the 8 minutes is one (democratic) congressman reading from a conspiracy theory. Not sure if you realize that Comey and the NSA director are not up on the bench.... lol

You guys called people upset about fast and furious/benghazi/hillary's server conspiracy theorists and loons. Yet you actually believe this is damning???? I really can't stop laughing!

a reply to: ColdWisdom

"Closeted"

Lol, his whole being screams, "I love gay secks!"

I think it's funny how everyone on the left is now siding with the government. I think it is also funny that even people on ATS are citing and even trusting the CIA FBI etc. like they are working for our interests.

So is there any scenario where you would believe the FBI and CIA based on their evidence? Or would you assume it is all fabricated?

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: JoshuaCox

But nixons offence wasn't arguably the reason he won the presidency..

According to intelligence agencies, neither was Trump's victory.

Which agency made any determination about that?

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Non of this holds weight. It is just everything we know and they are putting it together as if it connects.

I guess if you want to see Trump thrown out of office, then you would only see one side to this. There is however no proof here.

originally posted by: BlackProject
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Non of this still holds weight. It is just everything we know and they are putting it together as if it connects.

I guess if you want to see Trump thrown out of office, then you would only see one side to this. There is however no proof here.

I had nothing but hope for trump..

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Lol, not sure what you watched, but the 8 minutes is one (democratic) congressman reading from a conspiracy theory. Not sure if you realize that Comey and the NSA director are not up on the bench.... lol

You guys called people upset about fast and furious/benghazi/hillary's server conspiracy theorists and loons. Yet you actually believe this is damning???? I really can't stop laughing!

Yea I originally thought he was FBI..

That said it was in congressional hearing where lying is a crime.. nothing he stated isn't true AND the FBI did say that trump was under investigation for exactly that....

a reply to: Vector99

The FBI said it did not research what effect the leaks had on people's voting.. then he said that the election machines were not hacked....

Something no one has ever even asserted...

The FBI hearing was all bad for trump..

Maybe he is vindicated later, but in that meeting it was all bad.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

But nixons offence wasn't arguably the reason he won the presidency..


I'm sure this would be virgin territory as to how you handle it..is there anything in US history that would be equivalent??

I'm with you pence is the legal choice, but considering it involves his own election...

I just don't think people would let it slide..

That said imho I think pence is the only one in trumps inner circle who doesn't know..

I think he is there conservative face man and not at all trusted to that level.

I think you might be on to something with Pence. Pence was always somewhat puzzling as a VP pick for Trump, the two considered. Many suspected it was the will of the Republican establishment, in exchange for their support of Trump. He is their foot in the door to Team Trump.

While I dislike Pence for his own politics, its hard to argue against his qualifications as VP. He was a governor, so he already has experience. He is one of only two qualified picks (the other being Mattis) in Trumps admin.

My buddy proposed a theory about Trump and the Republicans. He thinks they rode the Trump train only to get to the White House, but now that they are there, they are sitting back, letting him and his administration hang themselves, so their man Pence can take over. Pence has always been a staunch conservative, on board with them all the way. Its why the majority of Republicans, for the most part, are distancing themselves from Trump, and letting his admin shoot itself in the face.

a reply to: fleabit

Possibly. It is the CIA's job to lie to the public, and there is no law barring them from doing the same to congress. They operate completely outside the scope of our jurisdiction, and serve their own needs.

The FBI have been involved in most of the major false flags in this country, and a very large amount of the "terror plots" that they "stop" are self manufactured.

These organizations are basically just gangsters with badges and unlimited resources. They should not be trusted. If I was the dictator of this country they would both be disbanded and many of the people involved would be jailed for crimes against humanity.