Transgender Boy Wins in First Round of Girls Wrestling Tournament

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Gryphon66

Of course, those are monitored by a physician, the levels are recorded and maintained at normal teenaged boy levels ...

Isn't that the problem, when competing against girls?

I see the problem not so much that Mac is transgender as it is that Mac is taking medications that changes the body's functional abilities.

Mack wants to compete against other boys; Texas law requires him to compete against girls ... the whole "plumbing determines gender" crap.

So Mac doesn't get what Mac wants, so Mac makes sure everyone suffers? I think Tranceopticalinclined has already spoken to this, and very well I might add.

originally posted by: RedDragon
You're inventing a red herring that no one's talking about to pretend that you're smart.

I'm not smart but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express a few years ago. I also didn't start the thread in the link I provided.

People are worried about anabolic steroids being allowed in sports.

Yeah maybe with thread drift? That's not really the topic. Maybe you should start a thread on that?

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Quite simple...if you are the exception, in this case "IT" should be kept from participating and any/all expense to do so, or challenge should be born by "IT".

Is this the mud pit? If it is not then I find your intentional misgendering and disrespect in violation of the T&C's and your adherence to the standards of manners and decorum deplorable.

And on that note. I'm out the rest of the day for work.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Gryphon66

Of course, those are monitored by a physician, the levels are recorded and maintained at normal teenaged boy levels ...

Isn't that the problem, when competing against girls?

I see the problem not so much that Mac is transgender as it is that Mac is taking medications that changes the body's functional abilities.

Mack wants to compete against other boys; Texas law requires him to compete against girls ... the whole "plumbing determines gender" crap.

So Mac doesn't get what Mac wants, so Mac makes sure everyone suffers? I think Tranceopticalinclined has already spoken to this, and very well I might add.

Actually, Mac is just following the law, and everyone else is suffering and freaking out about it

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Gryphon66

Of course, those are monitored by a physician, the levels are recorded and maintained at normal teenaged boy levels ...

Isn't that the problem, when competing against girls?

I see the problem not so much that Mac is transgender as it is that Mac is taking medications that changes the body's functional abilities.

Mack wants to compete against other boys; Texas law requires him to compete against girls ... the whole "plumbing determines gender" crap.

So Mac doesn't get what Mac wants, so Mac makes sure everyone suffers? I think Tranceopticalinclined has already spoken to this, and very well I might add.

His name is Mack.

It's not a matter of "getting what he wants" ... he's has a right to compete. He should be able to compete against other boys.

Someone said something that agrees with your opinion? I can understand why you appreciate it.

originally posted by: Throes

Your assumption that everyone is protesting is incorrect.

Give it time... The whole Transgender phenomena that has exploded in the last year makes me think this is a hot issue that no one would want to buck up against least they be labeled homophobic or bigot by a good number of outspoken groups...

originally posted by: Beowolfs

Those with Asthma can and do take steroids.. But their not "Anabolic" steroids.
Big difference.

Both medical though...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Throes

Your assumption that everyone is protesting is incorrect.

Give it time... The whole Transgender phenomena that has exploded in the last year makes me think this is a hot issue that no one would want to buck up against least they be labeled homophobic or bigot by a good number of outspoken groups...

Transfolk have been around for alot longer than the past few years, they have just been in the lime light in the past few years bc lawmakers are trying to pass laws to segregate them.

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Ah I posted a thread long ago about a heshe mma fighter, who destroyed his female opponent, literally breaking bones in her face. This isn't fair to the true sex that the team/league is made for.

Firstly heshe is derogatory but I'll forgive you this one time. So isn't this what certain people want? For this kid to participate in the athletics program based on his genitals as opposed to the rest of his body to include brain. So it's cheating if a Trans FtM (Female to male) wrestles with girls? So then should he compete with boys and if so then wouldn't that mean a Teen MtF (male to female) should wrestle girls?. I mean one set of hormones adds strength while the opposite formula would diminish strength. No common sense used here at all but hey it's Texas.

Firstly, heshe is fine and has always worked to let you know what kind of person is being discussed. There's a way to prevent being called that, and it's by being normal and not wanting to change the way you were created. Second, you've missed the entire point that the chick is taking testosterone which makes it stronger.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Ah I posted a thread long ago about a heshe mma fighter, who destroyed his female opponent, literally breaking bones in her face. This isn't fair to the true sex that the team/league is made for.

Firstly heshe is derogatory but I'll forgive you this one time. So isn't this what certain people want? For this kid to participate in the athletics program based on his genitals as opposed to the rest of his body to include brain. So it's cheating if a Trans FtM (Female to male) wrestles with girls? So then should he compete with boys and if so then wouldn't that mean a Teen MtF (male to female) should wrestle girls?. I mean one set of hormones adds strength while the opposite formula would diminish strength. No common sense used here at all but hey it's Texas.

Firstly, heshe is fine and has always worked to let you know what kind of person is being discussed. There's a way to prevent being called that, and it's by being normal and not wanting to change the way you were created. Second, you've missed the entire point that the chick is taking testosterone which makes it stronger.

What is considered "normal" to you is not considered "normal" to others.

originally posted by: LSU0408
Firstly, heshe is fine and has always worked to let you know what kind of person is being discussed. There's a way to prevent being called that, and it's by...

Not talking to assholes?

originally posted by: LSU0408

Firstly, heshe is fine and has always worked to let you know what kind of person is being discussed.

Yeah, just like nig_r has always worked to refer to a black person too. Damn, dude!

There's a way to prevent being called that...

That would be to point out derogatory language and to ask assholes to stop using it.

which makes it stronger.

Again with the "it"? Too bad there isn't something we could give to jackasses to make them less dumb.

Out for real this time. Enjoy your circle jerk.

a reply to: RedDragon

Been following this thread since beginning, I've not commented due to it's nothing but opinion. I myself , like you have watched the UFC try to manage it for medical conditions... one of the saddest and most legit to me being Bigfoot Silva. I'm under the opinion all or nothing. If synthetic testosterone is banned there should be no exceptions whatsoever, don't like the rules don't compete. Mack shouldn't be able to compete in male or female division, he's on a banned substance, don't care what the reason is. We find justification here where do we draw a line with reasons that are justified or unjust. What if career ending injury or conditions? What if born with a defect? The excuses are endless.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
If he was a she, but is now a he, he should be wrestling boys, not girls. This actually makes the pro-transgenders point.

The way I take it is that she is still a she (physically), but is taking testosterone to help transition into a he at some point. She should not be allowed to wrestle as a she , if she is taking testosterone......just isn't fair to other girl wrestlers .

originally posted by: RedDragon

Picture yourself as a competitor. Can you imagine sacrificing things in your life, working yourself to collapse everyday in the gym, and then you have to compete against someone that has a doctor's prescription for anabolic steroids?

As I said in another post the problem is that if someone was to go against this then people from very aggressive groups, mainly from the left, would label them homophobic or a bigot. That is the preference of the left in recent times to use labels as a weapon to win their point of view.

Transsexuals just wants to have their "rights" and their rights is just about anything them deem as a right...

this transboy wants to compete with the boys, but a texas law keeps him from doing so...it is the texas lawmakers fault.

originally posted by: veracity

Transfolk have been around for alot longer than the past few years, they have just been in the lime light in the past few years bc lawmakers are trying to pass laws to segregate them.

Been around forever, but the resent change is all about what is considered their "rights" and they have been using a very wide paint brush to determine those rights.

originally posted by: veracity
this transboy wants to compete with the boys, but a texas law keeps him from doing so...it is the texas lawmakers fault.

Here's the thing, If he can take anabolic steroids, even if limited to a normal boy's range. Then other girls should be allowed to take anabolic steroids to compete, even if limited to a boy's range.

It isn't fair to allow solely him to do so, and if it is against the rules this is special treatment.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Xenogears

I've heard of research on things like IQ differences between groups being taboo topics in academia.

There've been plenty of academic studies regarding IQ scores and demographics.


Here's a link to several.

Often politically correct and limited. Look at what happened to James Watson merely for suggesting a politically incorrect statement, might be wrong as pertains his case but that does not mean you destroy a person for suggesting something that must be a reality at least as pertains certain traits in different groups. And even then, there is enough evidence to show that for example the extremes of intelligence are populated mostly by males.

Some have hinted, that if you test outside children in the ages were girls are experiencing growth spurts, not only extreme intelligence but average intelligence is higher in one of the sexes. But I'd have to verify that.

originally posted by: Xenogears

There are also those on the left that try to say females are as capable as males physically.

Who on "the left" says this? Give us an example. Women are as capable as males in many ways, it depends on what you're talking about. Also, there's great variation in individuals.

Just look at extremist feminists, and things like those feminist pro women being allowed into professions like firefighters and claiming they can be as capable and that those professions are sexists for not allowing more females into such.

originally posted by: Xenogears

We know that groups can differ vastly in intellect, in height, in speed, in strength. For example pygmies are substantially less tall than other groups usually. Like them there may exist groups that are substantially lacking in other areas.

Yes, again, we know that individuals can vary as you suggest. As one makes makes more and more encompassing statements about "groups" the statements become more and more questionable.

Well, as the term "pygmy" loosely means "average height is less than 150 cm" ... sure.

That's a bit of a tautology though ... "all short people are shorter than average" ... I'm not sure that conveys a lot useful information.

Interesting that you phrase a difference in height as "lacking" ... so, what's the "proper" height for humans then?

All due respect, you seem to be making very general statements. Since you directed what you said at me, can I ask you to be a bit more specific in what you're saying?

Have you seen various physical sports? There are certain groups that excel despite it not being politically correct and quite inconvenient.

Racial politics can make the genetics of African athleticism difficult to talk about in the West....

Surprisingly, Western popular writing about Kenyans' running success seems to focus less on these genetic distinctions and more on cultural differences. For years, the cultural argument has been that Kenyans become great runners because they often run several miles to and from school every day. But, about a decade ago, someone started asking actual Kenyans if this was true, and it turned out to be a merely a product of Western imaginations: 14 of 20 surveyed Kenyan race-winners said they'd walked or ridden the bus to school, like normal children do.-
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Just like some groups tend to share certain facial characteristics, etc. There are also groups sharing average height.

Look at the movie blackhat or at the movie doctor strange, iirc... In those movies they go to foreign countries and several of the main characters can look like giants, almost like an average american surrounded by pygmies, to that degree of difference.

For example I've heard that chinese tend to be less tall than americans on average.

My point is that just like in athletics there might be groups that excel and groups that lack, in height there may be groups that excel and groups that lack.

Height doesn't matter for much, so asking what human height should be is pointless, perhaps if you mean for playing basketball? For most other things it is not that important.

That said, intelligence is a trait that surpasses all other traits, it is what puts humans above stronger animals, against faster animals, against larger animals, against animals that can breathe underwater or fly, etc. Thus showing that a group excels in this trait and another lack, is highly problematic for some.

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: veracity
this transboy wants to compete with the boys, but a texas law keeps him from doing so...it is the texas lawmakers fault.

Here's the thing, If he can take anabolic steroids, even if limited to a normal boy's range. Then other girls should be allowed to take anabolic steroids to compete, even if limited to a boy's range.

It isn't fair to allow solely him to do so, and if it is against the rules this is special treatment.

No...what needs to happen is that he should be allowed to compete as a boy.

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: veracity
this transboy wants to compete with the boys, but a texas law keeps him from doing so...it is the texas lawmakers fault.

Here's the thing, If he can take anabolic steroids, even if limited to a normal boy's range. Then other girls should be allowed to take anabolic steroids to compete, even if limited to a boy's range.

It isn't fair to allow solely him to do so, and if it is against the rules this is special treatment.

Do you not realize those of you who are saying he shouldn't be wrestling with the girls are actually arguing on behalf of civil rights activists?

Civil Rights: "Transfolks should be treated by their actual gender, not the one assigned at birth!"
Texas: "Nah, we're gonna make transgender boys rassle the girls!"
Civil Rights: "That's not a great idea..."
Texas: "Why are these transgender boys so strong? It's as if they are boys or something!"
Civil Rights: "Sooo... maybe let him wrestle against other boys?"
Texas: "No, cause he's a girl, goddammit!"

How are all of you missing this? This is a problem created by conservatives.