Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

originally posted by: interupt42
Thats why I posted the link to SacredLove who had the direct source at the top of the post.

Thansk for all the Love :-)
My nick is actually SacredLore with an L, as in lore: "knowledge or information about a subject, for example nature or magic, that is not written down but is passed from person to person"
I chose that name because I believe the oldest (confirmed) writings - the Vedas - contain profound knowledge of the nature of the universe and mankind. Heck, they even had UFOs then, the Vimanas :-) This sacred lore has been passed on through the millenia and has appeared in various forms in philiosophy and religion. So the really important knowledge has always been around, it is old.
I did not know it until I made this new thread, but I find it interesting how "Sekret Machines: Gods" dives deeply into this very subject.

originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: Specimen

Interesting views regarding the interpretation of gods and how that concept can be (mis)used.

Regarding war: I agree that desperation or fear can be a motivator. But it does not have to be war. Take asteroids, they are a real danger that has affected Earth in the past. If the same funding that goes into the defence industry would go into research of how to prevent natural disasters, a lot of good stuff would come out of that, too.
Pleasure is also a strong motivator. Strangely enough, the porn industry is pretty much a leader in web technology. And computer games are also on the forefront of computer programming.

The whole God concept can be incredibly misleading, to the point it more or less acts like psychological warfare or the effect of a Placebo, plus or minus . If ones zealous enough, they can do crazy things, to the point it amazing that one(me) wishes they were that stupid an single minded. Like the one story of a Viking, who was a Berserker who slayed 40 English men on a bridge, yelling I do this for "Odin"...He may have been on something like a specific shroom, like the story says, but his headcount legendary nonetheless.

As for the UFO phenomenon...It hardly interested in playing God...Even though a UFO it could easily play one from my own experiences. And that's just one UFO, nevermind if it an armada playing the Kingdom of Heaven or a Dreadnought playing Satan or Garuda blackening out the Sun like their myths suggest. However faith, prayer, belief, or just well being might be their specialty more or less.

edit: Although, supersitions, or folklore of religion could be heavily based and resulted from the UFO Phenomenon presence.

And yes, if all that time an energy that went into war, went into infrastructure or space technologies, life would be great. Games can mimick reality an scenarios which is why the military so invested into games. I'd love to have one for boxing, or MMA while still getting the feel.

Pleasure an addiction, not a motivator.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
It's a small majority of men who want war, and they want it for their own agenda of keeping power and control. It's a tiny, tiny percentage of man as a whole who want war.

This makes two of us. Let us spread the word :-)
“Sometime they’ll give a war and nobody will come.”

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Good explanation of why the US military might behave as they do!

Let's assume for a moment that DeLonge's books contain actual info. In the first book (Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows) the TR-3B is described. It has an anti-gravity system, cloaking (not just against radar, mostly invisible to the eye) and a range at least from Area 51 to Moscow and back. The Russians have similar craft. The problem seems to be that they are ridiculously expensive to build and only a handful of them exist. Now (if it is true) - THAT would be a problem of secrecy :-)

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Good explanation of why the US military might behave as they do!

Let's assume for a moment that DeLonge's books contain actual info. In the first book (Sekret Machines: Chasing Shadows) the TR-3B is described. It has an anti-gravity system, cloaking (not just against radar, mostly invisible to the eye) and a range at least from Area 51 to Moscow and back. The Russians have similar craft. The problem seems to be that they are ridiculously expensive to build and only a handful of them exist. Now (if it is true) - THAT would be a problem of secrecy :-)

originally posted by: Specimen
edit: Although, supersitions, or folklore of religion could be heavily based and resulted from the UFO Phenomenon presence.

Now that we have access to a part of the content of DeLonge's "Gods" book: This is exactly what they are saying there.

And yes, if all that time an energy that went into war, went into infrastructure or space technologies, life would be great. Games can mimick reality an scenarios which is why the military so invested into games. I'd love to have one for boxing, or MMA while still getting the feel.

I think this will be fun

originally posted by: LennyBruce
Not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread, but there is a PREVIEW. Located here:

books.google.co.uk...

Pretty good read so far in my opinion.

There's a lot to do with Egyptians and the Afterlife it seems. Anne Strieber was certainly ahead of her time.

Happy reading!

Note:
It appears there is a lot less content in this preview than there was just last night.

One thing that I can't seem to find that I thought was quite interesting was Levendas take on Occult Circles, how if they were re-created in a 3D image they'd represent UFOs.

image related:

Thank you very much!!!

I could not edit the OP anymore in order to add your information, so I have started a new thread .

originally posted by: SacredLore
I could not edit the OP anymore in order to add your information, so I have started a new thread .

You could have asked a moderator.

a reply to: SacredLore

I once saw a UFO that looked like a massive steel crucifix. That seems pretty complex alright!

originally posted by: SacredLore

originally posted by: Specimen
edit: Although, supersitions, or folklore of religion could be heavily based and resulted from the UFO Phenomenon presence.

Now that we have access to a part of the content of DeLonge's "Gods" book: This is exactly what they are saying there.

Yea an there are plenty of other threads about the subject on the forum. Hell, Kelly written so much about it he could make his own.

And I saw the thread about it, the book seems well written an all, but I'm not buying the Hey-Zeus selling point. Besides I like five page books with pretty colours an few words, I read at a fifth grade level.

Mytholgy an ufos don't exactly go hand an hand though, since myths are stories that could have philosophical meaning behind it an boy don't the ancient Greeks love philosophy. Like Icarus to the flame, he flew to close, or it could have none at all, an be a gritty soap opera of primal forces.

Besides, how accurate could religions be about aliens or whatever else is here and actually know any thing, for all we know, none at all. A good chunk of religion inspired an based off the movement of the stars an planets, maybe even Jesus too.

Sun rise his birth, the sun sets, he dead, and the moon at twilight see her sons death at the crux, and the son rises after the dark again.

O an btw, Titans were the predecessor of the Gods, not their decendents.

This is just a shot in the dark.


The Alien interest with our technology corresponds with something I have seen in the movie Anger Heart, one of the foremost occult movies of all time, with Robert Di Niro and Mickey Rourke.
en.wikipedia.org...

There you have the otherwordly demon very close to religion, right on its backside, strangely obsessed with religion, occultism and magic.


The Aliens come along ( along with the MIB) I am not saying are demons but they are otherwordly, right on our backsides, and strangely monitoring and obsessed with our technology…as they ignore our religions.

In Angel Heart, the protagonist did a magical ritual on an innocent sacrificial victim calling on the evil one to earn some kind of altered new life from a war injury.

Is something missing in this alien human association we don’t know about? Like they made a bargain sometime, far in the past with them to get a certain technology and they have it now, using it liberally, but the aliens are coming close by…ever so close to us… to be paid maybe?

When the guy in Angel Heart’s time was up the demon appeared and disguised himself and in the end revealed that: YOU OWE ME YOUR SOUL!

Are the Aliens showing up over and over to get what they bargained for when they made this deal with the US government in secret….?


naturally they won't tell us what bargain they made

Oh...one more thing

Who's soul did they sell?

a reply to: SacredLore

thanks for the Kudos,
i am still a bit wary of what they want to direct us too.
i like the idea of Zeus being real, and heard someone
speak of a NDE relating to Zeus. it is all very exciting
and believe changes are happening. i just go with my
Gut on things, and one of my few beliefs is in the power
of our thoughts and how, how we think creates the
world around us, i think everything can be related to
consciousness, collective and unconscious.
i was once really jealous that people have had all
these paranormal experiences and i want to have
one i want to believe, but i have and i have only recently
realised the gravity of that experience and how it has
directed my thinking.
i found that i could make myself ill at a young age 7ish
and knew i was doing it to myself through pretending.
then i got an illness at 18 (chest infection) and wondered what i did
to bring on the illness, from then on i greeted the beginnings of a cold
or whatever with a positive, thanks for coming to make me stronger
and the illness would not come, i haven't been ill in 18 years, except
a few sickness 24 hr bugs, that i get rid in 4 hrs, i know how the
placebo/nocebo effect works, and it is how we think.

The saying goes that 'The truth shall set you free'...someone forgot to say that the truth costs plenty of money first.

Money people never change...enough is never going to be enough.

If it's important for the world to know...just tell the world. If we managed to live through the 60's, 70's and 80's with the knowledge we, our families and perhaps even our entire species can be wiped out with just a 4 minute warning of nuclear Armageddon...we can handle knowledge about little green / grey ETs...after all, the Soviets were actively pointing their nukes at us, the ETs haven't attacked a single town, let alone wiped our species out, as we ourselves have threatened to do.

So far from not wanting to 'lay the truth on us all at once' bunk, it's all about making money...as per usual.

Part One:

I’d like to address a few of the issues that have been brought up in this forum concerning the Tom DeLonge project known as Sekret Machines. I realize that there is a lot of suspicion concerning Tom’s motives and a lot of distrust over the idea of disclosure and how or if Tom’s project addresses that issue in any kind of positive way. I will probably not be able to dispel all of your doubts – we are talking about the UFO/UAP Phenomenon here, after all – but I would like to at least give you an idea of where I am coming from in this project and why I have signed onto it.

In the first place, it is part of our culture to distrust rock stars or movie stars who become activists of any kind. We may appreciate their art, but when it comes to “real world” concerns we just wish they would shut up and go away. This attitude is unfair, of course. Rock stars are people, too, and they have just as much to say about current events as anyone else. Our problem with them entering the real world arena is that we suspect they are using their celebrity status in such a way as to promote a given agenda: an unfair advantage over the rest of us. This might be a valid objection to raise if someone like Tom was trying to assert some kind of authority or influence over the existing UFO community. This is not the case, however. His celebrity status is so powerful a tool that it can extend awareness of the UFO Phenomenon far beyond the existing UFO community to those who might never have thought about it at all.

Further, it is precisely his celebrity status coupled with his very sincere desire to know the truth about the Phenomenon that got us the access we needed to government and industry insiders. Tom mentioned this access in several places over the past two years but without naming names or otherwise identifying these individuals. This led to a lot of speculation that Tom was making it all up, exaggerating the extent of his contacts, etc. Fair enough. He’s just a “rock star”, after all. Then came the Wikileaks dump of John Podesta’s emails and the world suddenly became aware of some of the names of Tom’s contacts. Through no fault of Tom’s, the proof of what he had been saying all along was there for anyone to see. He did not exaggerate the extent of his contacts. In fact, if anything, the names that popped up indicated that he was being conservative in how he described them.

Okay. So Tom wasn’t lying or making # up. Where do we go from there?

The question of Disclosure is a knotty one. We all seem to know what it is without really being able to define it, or think about it very clearly. We all have different ideas as to what Disclosure actually means. The most prevalent idea about Disclosure, it seems to me, is an official government statement of some kind that says “Yes, there are UFOs,” or “Yes, there are aliens,” etc. The problem with this scenario is that we have had precisely this degree of clarity from many of our military leaders, going back to the 1950s and earlier. Generals have often insisted that there were aliens visiting the planet, or that some of the craft that had been sighted by civilians and military alike were actual craft and not hallucinations, etc. Yet, the fact that there have been contradictory statements about the Phenomenon has served to muddy the waters and to make it appear as if the government is hiding something. And, during the Cold War, the government had every reason to be cautious in addressing the UFO issue.

So … if a government spokesperson came out today and said, yes, there are aliens visiting the planet … what would our reaction be? With confidence in our intelligence services at an all-time low among some demographics, wouldn’t a lot of us have deep suspicions about an official statement admitting that the Phenomenon is real? We would suspect a hidden agenda, and the websites and forums would be divided between those who giddily accepted the “disclosure” at face value and those who cynically believed it was all just another disinformation project. And so it goes.

Part of the problem today rests in the fact that the UFO community is hostile towards the intelligence and military communities. There is an adversarial relationship – complicated by evidence of “men in black” and disinfo agents such as in the Doty/Bennewitz case – which means that we do not accept what the intelligence community tells us, which then becomes Catch-22: we want the government to come clean about UFOs, but we don’t trust anything the government says, and around in circles we go.

We’ve been going around in those circles since at least 1947.

How’s that working out for you?

In addition, we in the United States now have some of the worst-educated high school and college students in the industrialized world, especially when it comes to STEM subjects. Our people do not have the intellectual tools with which to comprehend the scope of the Phenomenon since they are so poorly educated in science, math and technology. They don’t have the language or the context necessary to interpret the data. That puts us at a very pronounced disadvantage when it comes to debating scientists, engineers and government agents on the subject of UAP.

Tom, to his credit, has recognized this vulnerability. He realizes that he has some degree of credibility with young people, and wants to use that cultural capital to encourage the young to apply themselves energetically to the study of STEM subjects because an understanding of the Phenomenon is at least partially based on an understanding of science and technology and especially on thinking logically and scientifically. He also recognizes that the military, the intelligence community, and the government in general are not the enemy when it comes to the Phenomenon. They may be as much in the dark – but in a different way – as the rest of us. It is only by cooperating with those who have additional information and insight that we can come to a deeper understanding of the Phenomenon.

Some of you may feel that Tom (and by extension myself) is being used by these very government agents as pawns in some kind of elaborate game. That might be true if they were feeding us questionable data, making promises of disclosure, etc. as per the Doty case. But they’re not. They are being cautious themselves, but have been willing to share some of their ideas, beliefs and concerns about the Phenomenon. These are ideas and concerns that are based on what they know about the Phenomenon, information that for the most part they have been reluctant to share. It is this very reluctance that lends credence to their observations, in my view. Further, there is no cookie-cutter set of responses coming from these very different individuals from very different organizations. There is no obvious collusion taking place. People have been talking to us about their experiences and no two are identical. This is especially significant when we examine their specific concerns about the Phenomenon and how these highly-trained, highly-educated individuals have struggled to place the Phenomenon within the historical narrative.

Part Two

Book One of my contribution to the project has been informed by just these observations. It is subtitled “Gods” and deals specifically with the evidence of the Phenomenon that can be located within various ancient scriptural texts. This is due to the fact that the overriding theme we encountered in discussions with these individuals was a point of view that bordered on the religious, albeit not in any conventional sense of the term. We were led, gently, into areas that crossed over from spiritual to scientific, from religious to military. Scenarios were proposed, perspectives were challenged, and we had the impression that there was a story they desperately wanted to tell us but that their clearances would not permit them to do so: at least not in so many words.

This process was slow and cumbersome at times, richly rewarding at others. It was similar to the Woodward-Bernstein reporting on the Watergate affair in that often our informants would not tell us something directly but would tell us where to look. It was the UFO equivalent of “follow the money.” They asked for nothing in return from us except one thing: that their identities would not be revealed.

Wikileaks jeopardized that and we were forced to go off-grid for awhile to assess the situation, but the project went forward, we kept writing and researching, and we went ahead with the rest of the program.

What is different about the Sekret Machines project?

In the first place, we take as a given the reality of the UFO/UAP Phenomenon. We start from there. It’s a logical place to begin, because we find it pointless to keep trying to “prove” the reality of the Phenomenon when so much evidence has already been published. We find that this need to “prove” the Phenomenon is what keeps the subject in a kind of limbo, preventing further investigation and discovery. Instead, we say, “Okay, the Phenomenon exists. It is real. The evidence is overwhelming. Now what? What does that imply for the sciences, for the humanities, for civilization in general?”

In other words, instead of waiting for “Disclosure” we operate on the assumption that Disclosure has already happened.

This approach frees us up for the kind of investigations that the Sekret Machines project has undertaken, some of which is represented in the three-volume non-fiction work but which also inspired the three-volume fictional narrative penned by A. J. Hartley.

So, in the second place, we have determined that there is no single approach to this complex Phenomenon that answers all the questions we have. We need to use a combination of non-fiction, historical and scientific research and a narrative that is “fictional” to the extent that real events, real people, and real research is strung together in a way that makes the implications of our investigation more clear and easier to digest (on the one hand) but also presents a workable scenario of what we know to have taken place with regards to the Phenomenon and human contact with the Phenomenon.

Our advisors have used a similar approach with their advice to us. By framing some of their responses in a “what if?” format they were able to lead us to the truth by encouraging us to begin to interpret the data as it came in within a comprehensive framework: a narrative that allowed them to discuss the central issues of their knowledge without breaking security or revealing anything they were forbidden to discuss.

We will be criticized – and have been criticized – for using this fiction/non-fiction approach. We get it. However, we are able to reveal much more about the Phenomenon this way than we would if we were forced to keep within the parameters necessary for a completely non-fiction approach, one that would have required us to eliminate a great deal of information because we were not able to cite specific sources, particularly within the military and intelligence communities.

There is another reason for the multi-disciplinary, fiction/non-fiction approach and that is that the material – taken altogether – is greater than the sum of its parts. What I mean by that is that by digesting both forms of communication we believe that genuine insight will be obtained by the reader. Our rational, scientific worldview is still not up to the challenge of understanding a Phenomenon that clearly seems to violate scientific laws. Thus, fiction gives us some flexibility in presenting what we know and what we have been told without trying to tie ourselves (and the reader) into knots. We cannot reiterate this enough: the fiction and the non-fiction elements of the Sekret Machines project work together as two interlocking components. You can read the novels and ignore the non-fiction and you will find a revealing and enjoyable experience. You can read the non-fiction and ignore the fiction, and you will find your preconceptions challenged and new possibilities open up. Read them both together and you will begin to experience the Phenomenon the way we have.

That is our goal and our principle desire.

a reply to: levenda

Thanks for sharing your 10,000 foot perspective.

Would you say that you are consciously writing in a somewhat liminal manner, as it is incorrect to use either this or that thinking when dealing with the Phenomenon?

Incorrect to say "spirirual only". Incorrect to say "material".

One might say the Phenimenon is a possessing post singularity consciousness.

One might say the Phenomenon is an internal alchemy living in the lower tien that is attempting to colonize our bodies through retas and amrit.

One might say many things...but no one explanation makes total sense.

We are not evolved enough yet to put it together.

"Insiders" know what they know...

But most UFOlogists seem to want crashed saucers and dead little grey aliens.

Sure the Phenomenon can emulate that sort of thing sometimes...but in shifted oz space only...not in the "real world".

Won't many readers be disappointed with how complex the "truth" about "UFOs" really is?

They want Star Trek not machine elves!

Kev

a reply to: levenda

First of all, welcome and thanks for joining the discussion.

I have only one question: how can the readers be sure of what is and what isn't fiction? Is it just because you say so, or do you provide verifiable evidences that what you wrote is non-fiction?

First, thanks for the welcome!

The three non-fiction books are labelled as such. The three fictional books -- the novels -- are written by A. J. Hartley and are marketed as such.

There shouldn't be any confusion. However, those who are familiar with the literature on UFOs will recognize the non-fiction elements in the novels pretty easily.

Hope this helps!

a reply to: ArMaP

There is a certain degree of liminality where this entire subject is concerned, of course.

And, yes, the truth is complex. Well ... perhaps it is better to say that the truth is simple but that our path to understanding it is complex!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

a reply to: levenda

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!!!!!

I highly appreciate your taking the time to give us a deeper insight into the proejct and I will do my best to bring your response to the attention of more people.