Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sure I will post his quotes again which indicates they are not releasing any prove and will assume like the Phenomenon is real.

Which came from a post from SacredLove

We begin from the premise that this Phenomenon is real; we don’t try to “prove” it to anyone,

What we do is proceed from the assumption that the Phenomenon is real and has been observed throughout history.

regardless of whether or not we ever “prove” the reality of the Phenomenon.

a reply to: interupt42

I wanted the link from Peter himself not a second hand quote.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: interupt42

I wanted the link from Peter himself not a second hand quote.

Thats why I posted the link to SacredLove who had the direct source at the top of the post.


But here you go:

peterlevenda.com

SacredLore said:
So there must be a hidden and very powerful influence that drives humanity into this collective madness called war, time and time again.


KansasGirl:
I never understand why people say this, or when they say "man has a violent nature" or "man is a war-like and violent species." It seems to me that man as a whole is NOT war-like and violent. The vast majority of us do NOT want war and just want to live peacefully and go about our lives, without causing harm to ourselves or others.

It's a small majority of men who want war, and they want it for their own agenda of keeping power and control. It's a tiny, tiny percentage of man as a whole who want war.

It bothers me when I hear all of mankind being lumped in with a small few arseholes who are the ones creating wars.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: SacredLore
DeLonge and his sources seem to think that the subject is really complex......... This could be an explanation for why an entire series of books and movies is planned.

More likely just so he can make more money!

A typical complaint. However, DeLonge is worth something like $40 Million, Books like this do not sell well. It's chump change to him. Buy the T-shirt and coffee cup, too, if you want--or don't. But to claim he's just in it for the money is a cheap and ignorant shot. He doesn't need the money. He BELIEVES, and he's being used because hes quasi-famous with a certain generation, and it's their turn to get fed this line of crap.

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Fair enough, Schuyler....I have thus far concluded that this is a money or fame-seeking stunt by Delonge. You make a good point, however.

So he's being used to sell us all more folklore....maybe....but WHY? Who benefits from us believing in what they're selling?

a reply to: KansasGirl

he is used to selling a brand, being in a band is all about garnering an audience or a following, think of that, then imagine that he must be semi intelligent to say the least, now a semi intelligent person knows there is less cash in Alien books etc than being a rock star, so why is he doing it, it can only be because he believes that the knowledge he has on the subject is going to snowball his work into the BIG league..

originally posted by: KansasGirl
...So he's being used to sell us all more folklore....maybe....but WHY? Who benefits from us believing in what they're selling?

And hence we come to the place where High Espionage meets High Strangeness and a cast of characters right out of some psychedelic & surreal version of a James Bond movie featuring Ancient Aliens.

The Military-Occult Complex it's been referred too. And that's a deep and rather enigmatic subject.

a reply to: schuyler

A typical complaint. However, DeLonge is worth something like $40 Million, Books like this do not sell well. It's chump change to him. Buy the T-shirt and coffee cup, too, if you want--or don't. But to claim he's just in it for the money is a cheap and ignorant shot. He doesn't need the money. He BELIEVES, and he's being used because hes quasi-famous with a certain generation, and it's their turn to get fed this line of crap.

While I don't discount the possibility there is more to this than just money , there are plenty billionaires still trying to make more money.

Making more money is not only about having more money, its about power. While 40 Million may sound like a lot to us , the circle of people he is likely to hang around not so much.

He stated in a previous interview prior to the UFO thing about wanting to be some kind of mogul or something along those lines. I'm wiling to bet its not about the Money but more about the power that a mogul has , that he is seeking.

Having said that , I certainly don't dismiss him being played and actually believe what he is being fed. I don't even fully dismiss him telling the truth and actually will be disclosing something.

However, as it stand right now from my point of view the more likely sceneries are:

1. He is doing this for the Power it could bring him if he is successful in starting a new Alien Type franchise kind of along the lines of Star Wars with his books via Movie deals , accessories , etc.

2. He is naive and being played. However I have a harder time believing this one at the moment than this just being about him seeking his goal to become some type of mogul.

I got good idea. Why don’t four or five of ATS UFO scholars made a deal with ATS (of course on the royalties) and do an ATS book and investigation

ATS AlienUFO expose

I bet it would be better or as good as any of these present books which now are just rehashing old stories we all know

The only problem with that is there has to be something new or groundbreaking in the book or what’s the point.

Here is a good team

GUT

Mirageman

Kelly

IsaacKoi

ATS person

Another problem would be of course the disputes on the writing team. Being a past collaborator on projects with others, I know that problem well


However, if egos can be adjusted I think something special might come from ATS

Ill buy the Levenda,Delong book but I doubt if any new knowledge is in it

a reply to: Arbitrageur

"talking to the right people" to use him for disinfo purposes? Possibly,

As others are already discussing

Why is disinfo still necessary at this point, whats the goal here?

Almost seems like his informants are feeling out how people are responding to the information as they drip it out.

I do think getting anything out of Tom seems pretty bleak at this point, but everything doesnt quite add up.

a reply to: 111DPKING111
Of course the disinfo in DeLonge's case is only speculation, could be "the general" is telling Tom the truth but Tom is promoting these hoaxes out of his own ignorance and they didn't come from "the general" or his other sources, so I have more questions than answers about why he's promoting hoaxed photos in the first place.

There certainly was official disinfo which has been admitted to, and it probably still still happens, where I suspect the rationale might go something like this:
-A new secret project is developed and it can only be flown for a limited range around Groom lake and even then curious onlookers might catch a glimpse.
-It reaches a phase where it would be nice to test it over a wider area or even deploy it into limited secret operations, but you know people will see it and not be able to identify it. See article below about F117 and other aircraft that were reported as UFOs
-Once people see the secret aircraft, they are still classified and you don't want to acknowledge their existence yet. So to add distraction and confusion to the UFO sightings, get some gullible party with a following to promote some fake UFO pictures as real UFOs, knowing full well this will eventually be exposed. Then when people find out about that they will associate UFO sightings with fakery and delusion, and the general gets the result he wants:
-People read about the UFO reports and recall the hoaxed UFO photos and have a tendency to dismiss the reports due to lack of credibility of the whole UFO topic.

C.I.A. Admits Government Lied About U.F.O. Sightings

In the darkest days of the cold war, the military lied to the American public about the true nature of many unidentified flying objects in an effort to hide its growing fleets of spy planes, a Central Intelligence Agency study says...

Rather than acknowledgeing the existence of the top-secret flights or saying nothing about them publicly, the Air Force decided to put out false cover stories, the C.I.A. study says. For instance, unusual observations that were actually spy flights were attributed to atmospheric phenomena like ice crystals and temperature inversions.

''Over half of all U.F.O. reports from the late 1950's through the 1960's were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights'' over the United States, the C.I.A. study says. ''This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive statements to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraordinarily sensitive national security project.''

They certainly haven't stopped developing secret projects so I suspect they would likely still have an interest in painting a public picture of the UFO field as being not too credible so people won't take UFO reports too seriously, helping to keep secret projects secret.

Here are six (no longer) secret aircraft that people have mistaken for extraterrestrial flying saucers.

Spy and stealth planes--some with bizarre, bat-shaped wings, others with triangular silhouettes that imply otherworldly designs--have long generated UFO sightings and lore. And official denials feed rumors that the government isn't telling us about alien ships. The CIA estimates that over half of the UFOs reported from the '50s through the '60s were U-2 and SR-71 spy planes. At the time, the Air Force misled the public and the media to protect these Cold War programs; it's possible the government's responses to current sightings of classified craft--whether manned or remotely operated--are equally evasive. The result is an ongoing source of UFO reports and conspiracy theories. Here are the Earth-built craft that likely have lit up 911 switchboards over the years.
1. RQ-3 Darkstar
2. U-2
3. SR-71 Blackbird
4. P-791
5. F-117A Nighthawk
6. B-2 Spirit

Of course in addition to all the UFO reports that were known objects, there were certainly some where even officials had no idea what they were, which again rather than risk panic about unknown objects in the skies which could be a threat, it would still help to sow some seeds of confusion to give UFO reports a low credibility level so people wouldn't get too worried about them. So there are multiple reasons, I suspect.

Not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread, but there is a PREVIEW. Located here:

books.google.co.uk...

Pretty good read so far in my opinion.

There's a lot to do with Egyptians and the Afterlife it seems. Anne Strieber was certainly ahead of her time.




Happy reading!

Note:
It appears there is a lot less content in this preview than there was just last night.

One thing that I can't seem to find that I thought was quite interesting was Levendas take on Occult Circles, how if they were re-created in a 3D image they'd represent UFOs.

image related:

a reply to: Davg80

I have started a new thread about the same book because now I could quote actual texts. Amazing how much importance the authors give to the subject of consciousness. It really seems that we have to change our consciousness before we can understand UFOs. I did not expect that these two subjects were so closely related. A simple warp drive was all I was asking for :-)

The fake photo definitely isnt a good look though, to the point its hard not to be skeptical.

Right. The faked photos are probably not the genuine honesty Springer was hoping for, which leaves us with his other alternative.

This is my fault: DeLonge used various UFO pictures in social media but he never claimed that they were new or real! It was I (!) who made that claim and I apologized as soon as I realized my mistake.

originally posted by: SacredLore

The fake photo definitely isnt a good look though, to the point its hard not to be skeptical.

Right. The faked photos are probably not the genuine honesty Springer was hoping for, which leaves us with his other alternative.

This is my fault: DeLonge used various UFO pictures in social media but he never claimed that they were new or real! It was I (!) who made that claim and I apologized as soon as I realized my mistake.

Your wrong SacredLore. DeLonge did state it was real. Delonge tweeted "a real sekret machine" then the screen grab photo of the television show 'Taken'. Insinuating that the photo was , his words "real".
Which if I remember correctly , the photo was cropped ( by Tom?) to only show the UFO , not the TV show set around it.
I also not sure that was the only inaccurate post or tweet by DeLonge. Around the time of the ATS AMA these things started popping up if I remember. I'll search it.

originally posted by: SacredLore

The fake photo definitely isnt a good look though, to the point its hard not to be skeptical.

Right. The faked photos are probably not the genuine honesty Springer was hoping for, which leaves us with his other alternative.

This is my fault: DeLonge used various UFO pictures in social media but he never claimed that they were new or real! It was I (!) who made that claim and I apologized as soon as I realized my mistake.

Ha! The link I was looking for was YOUR LINK. Imagine that. It seems English isn't your 1st language so I'll give you some leeway but DeLonge's instagram link is right in your OP. Scroll down and tell me the 4-6 UFO photos are real. He feeds them to his followers and the makes statements like :

" Been working on this for a long time. This week I flew across the country and spent 12 hours with two scientists from an Agency, and a very high-level person from the Defense Department. "

Of course none of which can be confirmed.

I applaude the Effort but don't pass it off as factual extra-terrestrial proof and then package it into a multi book, movie , merchandise QVC commercial.

originally posted by: LennyBruce
Not sure if it's been mentioned in the thread, but there is a PREVIEW.

It was, back on page 3, but as nobody checked the source for the quote I posted nobody noticed it.

a reply to: SacredLore

has been chosen as a channel for disclosure is that he is well known with younger people who would just go "Vallee, who?".

Channeling...says it all...covers dreams, predictions, delusional self-talk.

Who did the choosing of the channel?

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: SacredLore
Direct consciousness into a new way of thinking.

After Google Books gave us a preview it is clear now that your statement regarding consciousness was truly prophetic :-)

a reply to: Specimen

Interesting views regarding the interpretation of gods and how that concept can be (mis)used.

Regarding war: I agree that desperation or fear can be a motivator. But it does not have to be war. Take asteroids, they are a real danger that has affected Earth in the past. If the same funding that goes into the defence industry would go into research of how to prevent natural disasters, a lot of good stuff would come out of that, too.
Pleasure is also a strong motivator. Strangely enough, the porn industry is pretty much a leader in web technology. And computer games are also on the forefront of computer programming.