Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: SacredLore
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What is the fallacy of "the 9" ?

Its an occult fallacy/conspiracy that is at least 150 years old. In brief, it's a deception involving "the Egyptian Enniad", Theosophy, UFOs and other craziness such as intelligent life on mars...all mixed up with the "new age", intelligence agencies and politics.

"The Stargate Conspiracy" by Lynn Picknett is a good intro.

Kev

Thanks a lot for replying!

The most boring part about UFOs is for me when it all degrades into the spiritual realm, demons, other dimensions etc. That's not what I was dreaming of when I was watching Star Trek as a kid. Unfortunately DeLonge is also giving hints that there is a spiritual side to the UFO phenomeon. There is probably some truth behind the Gnostics' Archons.
But I want ETs that I can touch and space-warping machines that can make a round-trip to Proxima Centauri
I will look into the rest when I am dead.

originally posted by: SacredLore

a reply to: Arbitrageur

people need to stop thinking about what they would do in the situation when trying to predict a mans actions, especially a man that is famous and a multi millionaire, you are talking about a guy that has been ball deep in commercialism all his adult life, knowing that you are judged or measured by your success by the amount of albums/books you have sold, he is a conditioned machine like everybody else, the cold hard reality of the fact is that nobody truly knows TDLs end game, someone that is pessimistic about the whole affair will say its all about the money (99/100 it is all about money imo)
but if you look at it from a flying saucer chasing conspiracy nuts view, TDL claims he has had an interest in such like things a long time and even has mentions in his songs (apparently). Then he may be trying to relay a "truth" straight from the top.
TBH i think that we may be getting relayed a truth that they want us to make happen, this could have been happening the whole of our history. i have a few theories on the matter. for example we may be getting put into conflict with each other to aid our evolution, if we are competing against each other (arms races) (religious divides) (neighbours gardens) (red/blue politics) (denominations) its as if everything is set up to divide us, but i dont know if that is done by ourselves as part of our evolutionary process (en route to enlightenment possibly) or we are being manipulated to direct our thinking/evolution. One thing i do believe 100% is that we bring things on ourselves by the way we think, so if he make a mass of us believe that Zeus is coming back to sort us out, then strap yourselves in cause life is gonna get even more interesting.

originally posted by: SacredLore
OR you turn your energy towards discovering where DeLonge's team got the following pictures from.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: SacredLore

Good find, you beat me to it. Here's the same image with a caption:

What are UFOs, really?


I did a Google reverse image search on the other one (the triangle) and got, I kid you not, 25,270,000,000 results!!!

How would we have ever seen that image from one of the other 25,269,999,999 sources, without help from Tom DeLonge's "sekret" information?



With that many copies of the image out there it's hardly a "sekret" and it has no value without some verifiable provenance.

a reply to: SacredLore

I understand.

I loved (love) Star Trek SO much. Always have. It helped form my personality even.. Spock you know helped me survive the beatings i got when little.

I'd love for us to live in the Star Trek universe, where humans are evolved and kind.. having left behind money and greed entirely.

But unfortunately, it's not (from what I know) true.

It's far more likely that we are (mostly) just "hardware" for the billion year-old computer virus, which has infected us.

It has total control of our senses.. so when it/we (there is a bit of a symbiosis) want to see a UFO or other "paranormal event", then we do. The Phenomenon executes within our hardware platform (our 7 billion analog brains) and we don't know it, because we are blocked out of the proof of that, as we cannot control our own senses... that and the fact it executes in a place that we aren't looking.

This is why mysticism goes hand in hand with "UFOs" and "the paranormal". Some people see beyond the edges of the controls a little bit.

Don't be surprised if you see a regurgitated form of this post in someone's book (not mine). I've noticed that some of my posts are being used by others without my consent.

Or disregard what I said.. it's all the same to me. Be happy.

But there is no happiness to be found within UFOlogy or the study of mysticism/the occult/spirituality/religion..
unless your capacity for self-delusion is nearly infinite.

Kev

The whole God concept just adds to the phenomena mystique and add too it psychological arsenal, however, it seems like the Gods are or were done playing Gods along time ago. The whole God concept at infancy was no more then an artistic/ or earlier attempts at constructing the reality in front of us. Gods might as well be portrayed as programs that have function, much like the Greeks triad an how they oversee their depictions of the elements...Zeus watches the Sky, Hades the Dead, and Poesidian the Sea.

As for man an war...it progress. War brings out progress and technological evolution, and socially progession as well. Back then people were ready to die for the Gods, Kingdoms, or what ever fancied them were it like a game. It also funny how most games are all about this stuff, Gods wrestling primal forces of nature, to warrior at war.

Now a growing number of people are scared of war, unlikely allegiances form, and despise the religions that might be associated with the phenomena, and people regard things that were once highly sought by, as being stupid and boring.

How the UFO phenomena deals with spiritual/mental development is up to the believers really, as to where it main function is to over watch, or simulate causality while at the same time, adapting through all times sake.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

bamn busted!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The Phenomenal is a bridge to the Real

a reply to: SacredLore

Cool , so when it gets released and it doesn't contain any factual evidence or proof of anything can we finally write this guy off from ATS as almost being as worthy as Steven Greer?

Atleast Greer got some gov't officials to go on record in front of a camera. Tom has only rehashed old pictures from movies.

All I see is him doing so far , is trying to go after his goal of wanting to be a movie mogul or something along those lines as he previously said in an old interview.

He has more holes in his story than a politicians truth.

a reply to: Willtell

If the Phenomenon likes you..

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Willtell

If the Phenomenon likes you..

If the Real loves you
and it does

originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: Arbitrageur

... we may be getting put into conflict with each other to aid our evolution, if we are competing against each other (arms races) (religious divides) (neighbours gardens) (red/blue politics) (denominations) its as if everything is set up to divide us, but i dont know if that is done by ourselves as part of our evolutionary process (en route to enlightenment possibly) or we are being manipulated to direct our thinking/evolution. One thing i do believe 100% is that we bring things on ourselves by the way we think, so if he make a mass of us believe that Zeus is coming back to sort us out, then strap yourselves in cause life is gonna get even more interesting.

Great comment!
The idea that an external influence has been and is creating division and conflict amongst humanity also comes through from DeLonge (in interviews). An interesting quote from the last two pages of Sekret Machines [SPOILER ALERT if you want to read the book]:

Question: "You’re saying that the craft we’re flying were brought here by aliens which humans took to be the gods of ancient Greece, but they left and now we have their stuff?”.
Answer: "What makes you think that they ever left?"

My impression is that the disclosure through DeLonge will not be "Hail, Zeus, our savior" but more along the lines "these fake gods have been playing evil games with humanity for too long, but now we have the technology to kick them out of our solar system". I am really curious what the "Gods" book (the subject of this thread) has to say about it. A shame that the paper book is sold out and nobody here has gotten a copy.

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8

I did a Google reverse image search on the other one (the triangle) and got, I kid you not, 25,270,000,000 results!!!

Thanks to both of you! I strongly agree: The DeLonge team leaves much to be desired in the illustration department. If they did not get any real pics, they could at least have created their own artistic rendition instead of grabbing something off the Internet. In all fairness, DeLonge never claimed any of the pictures to be new or real. But still, not impressive.

The description of the TR-3B in "Secret Machines" is detailed. I have searched around a bit and found the first picture and the 0:29 video on this page to be a close match. I am not saying that the picture and the video are real, only that they match the description well.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: SacredLore

I'd love for us to live in the Star Trek universe, where humans are evolved and kind.. having left behind money and greed entirely.

But unfortunately, it's not (from what I know) true.

But at least we share the dream

This is why mysticism goes hand in hand with "UFOs" and "the paranormal". Some people see beyond the edges of the controls a little bit.

Interesting viewpoint! In DeLonge's "Chasing Shadows" the extraterrestrial ship (piloted by a human) has some sort of telepathic interface. Things do not get more paranormal in that book. But I wonder what the new "Gods" book contains. Damn, I should not have relied on ATSers to shell out money for a book and should have ordered one myself when they were still available :-)

It's far more likely that we are (mostly) just "hardware" for the billion year-old computer virus, which has infected us.
...
Don't be surprised if you see a regurgitated form of this post in someone's book (not mine). I've noticed that some of my posts are being used by others without my consent.

If I remember right, even David Icke has mentioned something along this line. So your idea seems to be spreading!

Or disregard what I said.. it's all the same to me. Be happy.

But there is no happiness to be found within UFOlogy or the study of mysticism/the occult/spirituality/religion..
unless your capacity for self-delusion is nearly infinite.

This whole UFO thing can indeed get out of hand quickly because many of us hope for salvation from outside. But indeed the only happiness we will ever find is the one we create ourselves. Whatever the basic fabric of our reality may be, I think this one guiding light makes sense: If it brings us lasting happiness, it is probably the right thing to do.

originally posted by: Specimen
Gods might as well be portrayed as programs that have function, much like the Greeks triad an how they oversee their
depictions of the elements...Zeus watches the Sky, Hades the Dead, and Poesidian the Sea.

You may find a quote about the Greek gods interesting that I took from "Chasing Shadows". See above in my reply to Davg80, after the text SPOILER ALERT.

As for man an war...it progress. War brings out progress and technological evolution, and socially progession as well. Back then people were ready to die for the Gods, Kingdoms, or what ever fancied them were it like a game. It also funny how most games are all about this stuff, Gods wrestling primal forces of nature, to warrior at war.

Now a growing number of people are scared of war, unlikely allegiances form, and despise the religions that might be associated with the phenomena, and people regard things that were once highly sought by, as being stupid and boring.

How the UFO phenomena deals with spiritual/mental development is up to the believers really, as to where it main function is to over watch, or simulate causality while at the same time, adapting through all times sake.

The concept that there are races who believe in war as an instrument of progress is a theme that has even occurred in science fiction. Babylon 5 and John Carter come to mind. But I am in the camp who thinks that war is an unnecessary evil, instigated by false gods. Just like some (degraded) humans organize dog fights, the fake gods had human armies duke it out in lieu of them. Sort of a game, maybe for entertainment, probably out of boredom. Uncreative and cowardly. All the humans got from it was pain and the loss of beloved people. And they never got around to do what they really wanted because war regularly would interfere with their lives. One could argument that war at least brings some action. But sports solves this much better. And these days we have video games :-)

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: SacredLore

Cool , so when it gets released and it doesn't contain any factual evidence or proof of anything can we finally write this guy off from ATS as almost being as worthy as Steven Greer?

I will probably have more patience than you, but I agree: Within the next five years verifiable facts have to back up DeLonge's accounts. Be that official statements from the military or NASA etc. or a TR-3B flying past the White House.

What I definitely appreciate in DeLonge's efforts: This is artistic presentation at its finest. "Chasing Shadows" is a great read. After spending one hour reading wild claims on some random website I am none the wiser. The same maybe true after reading a chapter in one of DeLonge's books. BUT I at least got some great entertainment and that was worth my time and money!

a reply to: SacredLore

BUT I at least got some great entertainment and that was worth my time and money!

Great ,but the only problem is that he isn't selling it as entertainment.

I prefer and will go out of my why to to not support such people. His whole story is full of holes and it reeks of a sales Gorrilla tactic and nothing more . If he delivers something than I will re-evaluate , but so far with his fake pictures and postings he is heading in the wrong direction from my perspective and I won't give him a dollar.

a reply to: interupt42

Yeah, I fully respect this. I also do not find this perfect, but in my view there is no better alternative currently. Or do you know of one?
I was hoping somebody had the new book "Gods" which is explicitly declared as non-fiction. But sadly no one got the book and as it is sold out I will have to wait until March.

Heres hoping he sees this thread lol

The co-author of "Sekret Machines: Gods", Peter Levenda, provides some interesting background information about the book series. An excerpt:


What is Sekret Machines?

If you read my Afterword to the A. J. Hartley novel, you’ll see that it presumes to be a radical new approach to the UFO Phenomenon (or UAP Phenomenon, if you are so inclined). We begin from the premise that this Phenomenon is real; we don’t try to “prove” it to anyone, and we don’t present the usual lists of thousands of worldwide sightings, etc. since most people familiar with the subject are aware already of this evidentiary material. What we do is proceed from the assumption that the Phenomenon is real and has been observed throughout history. What, then, has been its effect on society, religion, culture, and politics? Why is it important for us to examine this Phenomenon and what it represents more closely, more dispassionately, more objectively than ever before? Why have governments, the military, scientists, academics, etc. been reluctant to come forward and admit that it exists? How can we change that attitude?

More importantly, perhaps, how can we inspire a new generation of men and women to devote their lives to the hard sciences in order to cooperate in the decoding of this Phenomenon? And not just the hard sciences, but cultural and religious studies as well.

American students are lagging behind twenty or more other countries in STEM subjects. This is a national security problem, and not just from the perspective of terrorist and other more “terrestrial” threats. We need an educated population that is aware of all the implications for sovereignty that the Phenomenon poses to us and to the world at large. Whether or not one believes in the reality of UFOs or “little green men” one has to agree that an avoidance of this field in spite of all the testimony by military and intelligence specialists that support the view that “something is out there” is a dangerous position to maintain. On the contrary, if we proceed on the assumption that we are being visited – somehow, in some manner, by some one – then we would find ourselves forced to review our preconceptions concerning language and communication, physics, aerodynamics, energy, sociology, and a dozen or more other disciplines. Exobiology, exolinguistics, exopolitics, would all become areas in which new discoveries will be made … regardless of whether or not we ever “prove” the reality of the Phenomenon.


So guys, brush up your math skills!