Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

originally posted by: megabogie
a reply to: Paddyofurniture

As he stated above, all sources are referenced and footnoted and Levenda's and delonge's opinions are excluded from the narrative. Peter Levenda is a primary source author, which means the majority of the content will be directly from the horses mouth and not crap he dug up on the internet or stole from someone else. Levenda was detained at colonia dignidad and expelled from Chile while researching one of his books on the Nazis. He is not an armchair author or half wit hack.

It doesn't matter if the content is "directly from the horses mouth" when there is no way to verify whether it is factual or just made up.

So all you are left with are stories by DeLonge & Levenda.

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture


Mr. Delonge has on occasion stated he has been meeting with high level government officials and has even referred to persons he calls " the general" and ( I think?) " the scientist". On these occasions he has insinuated he has gleaned information that has not been made public and also insulated that is or has been of a classified matter.

What exactly are you selling us Mr. Levenda? A book(s) that is unproven public theories strung together to make an argument of your and Mr. Delonge phenomenon general theory or do you have any hard evidence that will turn the head of as you stated " different walks of life, different cultural and academic areas" to take this phenomenon seriously. For the sake of the this phenomenon, I hope it's the latter.


a reply to: levenda

If you've been following the news the past few months, and especially the Wikileaks dump of John Podesta's emails, you'll realize that the names and ranks/affiliations of some of Tom's advisors were revealed. What we have done in this book and the two that will follow is to utilize the information and advice we have collected from these and like individuals (all with security clearances). The books reflect the information, perspective and points of view of these advisors as they were presented to us, with the caveat that we then subjected what we were being told to a rigorous examination of our own, collating it with other sources of information as well as matching what one source told us against what another source told us, etc.

I've met some of these individuals. They are who they say they are. They are cautious to an extent, but at the same time extended themselves as much as they were able to in order to make sure we were on the right track. We felt that an adversarial relationship with the government and military was counter-productive and has resulted in a stalemate. We did our best to overcome that and to create a space where those with actual knowledge could share their information and understanding with us.

a reply to: levenda

"Those with actual knowledge includes, in the great majority, "civilians" and not the government, correct?
This book series may blaze pathways, but perhaps the "gang" behind this, will be learning more than disclosing?
There is of course a long history of intelligence assets infiltrating metaphysical and UFO groups.. you've
written about that in your own books.

Kev

Nice to have Mr. Levenda here. Currently I am reading "Sinister Forces" , which is a fascinating book ..
Regarding the Sekret Machines- project I have some reserverations..

Mr. Levenda it’s an honor to have you here…
You are a great writer and researcher, one of the best. I also appreciate your substantial metaphysical knowledge. Anything you write I would read it. Imo, your book Sinister Forces should be in every High School history department!

Of course, it will never happen as long as the Sinister Forces are still in place.


looking forward to your new book!

a reply to: levenda

Thank you for your thoughtful response Mr. Levenda.

I have to admit some of my responses to this topic have been vitriolic. Most have centered around Your counterpart Mr. DeLonge. The ask me anything (AMA) here at ATS by Mr. Delonge as well as some of his social media statements about UAP history and photos he deemed as "real" have been troubling to say the least. Should we take his statements with a grain of salt?

Also , can you give us any insight, as reserved as it may be, as to why any of your and Mr. DeLonge's advisors would come forward. Why now? Why to yourself and Mr. Delonge?

Again I appreciate any response.

Slant'

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
a reply to: levenda

Thank you for your thoughtful response Mr. Levenda.

I have to admit some of my responses to this topic have been vitriolic. Most have centered around Your counterpart Mr. DeLonge. The ask me anything (AMA) here at ATS by Mr. Delonge as well as some of his social media statements about UAP history and photos he deemed as "real" have been troubling to say the least. Should we take his statements with a grain of salt?

Also , can you give us any insight, as reserved as it may be, as to why any of your and Mr. DeLonge's advisors would come forward. Why now? Why to yourself and Mr. Delonge?

Again I appreciate any response.

Slant'

I 2nd this post

a reply to: KansasGirl

I third that post ! Its interesting that this is happening during a Presidential transition, if the President isnt coordinating the release of this information, who is?

Still, I am more interested in what proof these insiders have offered(pictures, personal experience) and to what extent do they claim we have had contact? Have we recovered crashed saucers? Do we work with them at all or merely observe?

Whats the most interesting information, if anything, have you learned from the insiders that isnt already known?

Im not a moderator, but I suggest we keep questions centered around information we dont know instead of debating or questioning the way information is being communicated.

this is the worst possible time to try and get a movement going, or is it the best?
i dont know, but Trumpy threads are everywhere, to anyone newish here like me,
this is a political conspiracy website!! more than anything, Here we have legit,
pioneer of paranormal phenomenon on this thread and the thread has 17 flags,
Political threads are getting 10x this, and its the same arguments with the same
people, conditioned to their side and everyone thinks they are right.....
thats just my cynical take on things, could Mr Levenda do an AMA?

I have loads of questions, but im not as knowledgeable as a lot of the "true"
CT's on this subject, but if this book is packaged with the most credible
evidence on the phenomenon then i may go back on my word and buy this
book, or get the wife to get it for me, lol.

I would like to ask a question if Mr Levenda is still around....
I haven't read many books on this subject but i see peeps giving
kudos on your work, the one book i did read "the mothman prophecies"
im sure the investigator concluded that the strange happenings around
"Point Pleasant" were due to inter-dimensional beings and a wormhole,
Do you have any views on this and is it related to what is being conveyed
in your book?
Cheers

a reply to: Davg80

I think this is much better than an AMA, too many people getting in arguments or debate over junk that has already been discussed ad nauseam instead of focusing on the information we dont have. Lets just be thankful with the way things are going in this thread...

Excellent question btw, I second it!

a reply to: Davg80

..... Trumpy threads are everywhere, to anyone newish here like me, this is a political conspiracy website!! more than anything, Here we have legit, pioneer of paranormal phenomenon on this thread and the thread has 17 flags, Political threads are getting 10x this, and its the same arguments with the same people, conditioned to their side and everyone thinks they are right..... thats just my cynical take on things, could Mr Levenda do an AMA?

To be honest the number of flags is not always a good indication of anything. There are multiple threads on Tom DL and his project with slight variations. Even this thread is a couple of weeks old and unlikely to garner much casual interest.

I'm with our good friend 111DPKING111 on this. An AMA often loses focus fast and it is impossible for the guest to keep up with hundreds of posters who simply can't help themselves asking 100 question when the rule is 'ask one'. At least Mr. Levenda has been able to respond in his own time here tucked away in this thread.

originally posted by: levenda
This is the thing: we feel we need to extend the audience for this subject beyond that of the believers, experiencers, etc. Naturally, we hope and intend that what we have to say will be of interest and importance to the core UFO community as well. No question. But the mission, if you can call it that, has been to create a larger and deeper acceptance of the reality of the Phenomenon in different walks of life, in different cultural and academic areas. We also feel strongly that an American population that is enthused about the subject will be inspired to tackle it from different perspectives, especially from the scientific and academic areas but also from the cultural fields, the humanities, etc. We are very ambitious, I know. We want to create general enthusiasm for this subject and take it out of the realm of the specialist. We need to make Ufology a credible and acceptable area of research and study. And that means enlisting a lot of different people from different areas.

Sorry, sounds like nothing more than recruiting a following of more UFO/alien believers to the field. If you approach the subject skeptically, as anyone should, you'll see the holes, lack of scientific evidence, same tired excuses created by believers for that lack of evidence, and the heavy bias that articles, the internet, and television shows use to sell their product.

If anything, the field needs more independent thinkers. Far too many follow the lead of others, do very little to no research themselves, or are easily swayed by a name or title. Fact-checking sources of authority in reality does very little to help further the subject along. After all, it's a story. It doesn't remove the requirement of scientific evidence for something as life changing and extraordinary as an alien species visiting Earth.
The value of the discovery is undermined when people base things on hopeful belief rather than heavily scrutinized scientific facts.

Interesting points about getting more coverage on the UFO topic.


We sometimes forget UFOlogy is still a taboo subject to the mainstream. Maybe taboo is a wrong word but in other words, it is still an obscure topic confined to, comparatively, a few, so the CIA was successful in keeping it non-mainstream.

Levenda, if one of his intentions is to expand notice of the UFO phenomenon then he has a vaunted task in that the secret boys don’t want that

a reply to: levenda

Mr. Levenda, let me first say that I own your Sinister Forces trifecta. They're brilliant and have made my rare "Re-Read" category. I'm truly excited that you are here. Thank you.

'Unholy Alliance: A History of Nazi Involvement with the Occult' and your other volumes also deal with many of the themes we've already heard related to the Sekret Machines series.

Being familiar with those works one could almost say that you yourself are amongst Tom's guides through this complex subject?

I'm actually starting to get more intrigued--not just because of your involvement and firsthand experience with the occult and ritual--but because the same can apparently be said of Dr. Jacques Vallee. As well as Dr. J. Allen Hynek, to some degree, through his membership/association with the Rosicruscians and his affinity for the metaphysical philosophy of Rudolph Steiner.

Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Rosicrucianism, and UFOs

Is it fair to say that the following quotes put us in the ballpark of the context we'll absorb & ponder in Sekret Machines?

From the layman's or skeptic's position:

"A large part of the available UFO literature is closely linked with mysticism and the metaphysical. It deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities as well as phenomena like poltergeist [ghost] manifestations and 'possession.' Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomena...."

~Lynn E. Catoe (the senior bibliographer for a government publication researched by the Library of Congress for the U.S. Air Force Office of Scientific Research: UFOs and Related Subjects

From a more studied perspective:

"We are dealing with a yet unrecognized level of consciousness, independent of man but closely linked to the earth.... I do not believe anymore that UFOs are simply the spacecraft of some race of extraterrestrial visitors. This notion is too simplistic to explain their appearance, the frequency of their manifestations through recorded history, and the structure of the information exchanged with them during contact."

"[An] impressive parallel [can] be made between UFO occupants and the popular conceptions of demons." "[UFOs can] project images or fabricated scenes designed to change our belief systems." 62 "...human belief... is being controlled and conditioned," "man's concepts are being rearranged," and we may be headed toward "a massive change of human attitudes toward paranormal abilities and extraterrestrial life."  

"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical or biological framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks."

"...the symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of initiations ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult] traditions of every culture." Thus, "the structure of abduction stories is identical to that of occult initiation rituals."

~ Dr. Jacques Vallee

In the vein of the "UFO racket" being deeply in bed with the occult, one needs to keep Helena Blavatsky in mind;
in a manner of speaking, she might be considered the "mother of modern UFOlogy", far pre-dating Kenneth Arnold and the like.

Ms. Blavatsky introduced many elements, that the (generally) secret occult followers of the late 40's and early 50's
known for "UFOs" were well aware of.

Without Ms. Blavatsky, I don't think that cultural phenomenon we take for granted, such as "ancient aliens"
would exist at all. A full thread on this topic.. or inclusion in Peter's book is more than warranted.

One reference:
www.jasoncolavito.com...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's like the veil--at least in our collective social mind--is being parted much more overtly as to the one 'phenomena' behind it all, and proffers to reveal one of our top two existential questions: Are we alone?

It truly seems that powerful forces are being played out on the grand stage of the world right now. I'm sure Mr. Levenda has some interesting things to say on this---I've been brushing up on some of his podcasts since he dropped by. I hope we can get that discussion going.

Mostly at play here I do believe: We have a fairly entrenched aspect of our military-industrial-occult complex that believe we have made contact--or have at least been toyed with--by discarnate intelligence(s.) The Nine is the easiest reference, but it's more complex and diverse than one example will illuminate. We've heard from some of these "philosophers" before as some here have kind of figured out. Not that they aren't interesting.

It's been theorized by some that all conspiracies lead to the same place. Mebbe they do.

a reply to: levenda

a reply to: Paddyofurniture

Just a few comments.

Tom Delonge could make more money stepping onto a Rock stage a few times than he could make from these books.

The $70 or $100 book editions are special pre launch editions, signed personally, packaged up etc. Collectors items and only a few available, hence sold out. The book itself is due for release or around $10 on Amazon. Not a big price compared to a lot of other David Wilcock crap.

a reply to: The GUT

Yes indeed.

One Phenomenon to rule them all, and in the darkness bind them.

It's likely to be the overriding fact of our entire existence.. the real context changer..

But it won't be revealed to be anything that any of us want..

It won't save us.. it won't damn us.. it won't bring meaning to our lives..

But we still need to take this ride all the way to the end of the station, and see what the depot really look like.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

We agree on so much, Kev. "Identity" of the phenomena is where we significantly diverge.

I think the evidence seems overwhelming that it's--maybe literally--Light vs Darkness. War In Heaven so-to-speak. As Above, So Below. I say that in reference to the entirety of our existence, world situation, and history---of which the E.T. question is only a part but importantly included.

I came looking for extraterrestrial life, I left with spirituality. That's where the evidence personally led me. Surprised me for sure. That's what I would really, really like to discuss with Mr. Levenda. He has some interesting and well-studied insights to that aspect.

All theories have holes, but when I lay this one over the cypher of existence it seems to fit tighter than any of the others I tried.

I don't know if Peter will come back and talk to us or not, but I'm wondering how they are going to handle the "Channeling" aspect of their non-fiction? Or the "contact" by occultists like Kenneth Grant and Crowley? It will be tricky. But if they leave out the esoteric mysticism, then it will be a dishonest portrayal of why they believe what they believe.

Skinwalker Ranch will get referenced along the way to bolster the "contact" aspect. Heck, for that matter, the entirety of ufology sounds as if it will be touched on in the series. What was Col. John B. Alexander's new term for the type of consciousness they reportedly encountered at Skinwalker? I wouldn't be surprised if we hear that term in the series. Heretofore it probably would've been called a poltergeist.

It's UFO meets UAP. That will make sense to some of y'all. It will be interesting to see where the series goes.