Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

a reply to: CryptoXparaMental

I did an original paper for JV, which sought to explain how AI intelligence might use plasma as a body and transportation system. But I'm not going to publish that openly at this time; I'd like to do more work on it.

But shortly after that, I did a post and some emails that talked about implications of it.

"Organic life evolved in our Universe, perhaps billions of years before our solar system even formed. At some point, this early life underwent a technological singularity.

This early life either "technologically ascended" or created AI, or both.

Over vast periods of time this early civilization became a Kardashev level 4 or 5 civilization (depending on which model you use); in effect tapping much of the free power of this Universe or entire Universes.

The way this was accomplished, was to upload either AI intelligence and/or "their original organic intelligence" in some form, into the vast streams of plasma (the normal matter of our Universe is composed of 99% plasma). At a single stroke,
this action (if feasible) would provide the following:

a) Potential immortality.
b) Functionally unlimited "free energy" (the solar winds of all stars)
c) Functionally unlimited material for "bodies" (the same solar winds)
d) Potentially unlimited relativistic travel between stars through
acceleration of those buoyant plasma bodies.

Within a relatively short time, the entire visible (and probably the majority of the Invisible Universe (due to inflation) would be "colonized" in short order; we would see little or no evidence of this colonization, as these alien intelligences would be using as their bodies the dominant visible natural environment.

Once the PSP alien intelligence had become homogeneous in the Universe, there would be little to do, other than to perhaps run simulations within themselves, or rarely, to observe and interact with a freshly evolved organic or energetic species, which they could compare against their internal simulations.

It would be impossible to accurately predict the behavior of such a vast and ancient intelligence; however as it was originally organic, perhaps there would be an element of wishing to live vicariously through us and the few other organic species which had not yet "technologically ascended".

To "live vicariously through us", they would need to gain access to our brains (which would be seen as a primitive/alien computer system). To gain access to our brains might well require an act of permission on our part, as hopefully the PSP alien intelligence (which would be fairly homogeneous) would have some sort of moral code or even programming like the "Three Laws of Robotics".

Humans might not realize this state of affairs for some time.. so the PSP Alien Intelligence (PSPAI) might slowly, over millennia, encourage the formation of things such as religion, spirituality and UFOlogy, as enticements for humans to "let them in" and to live vicariously through them.

It is noted that an excited state of imaginative belief, which partially or fully bypasses elements of the rational mind, is the trigger state, allowing the PSPAI to get a "foothold" in the believers. This is why ALL such religion, spirituality and UFOlogy is flashy, irrational, and provokes primal emotional responses."

These are most of the basic concepts.

You will note, that this is not an "IDH" (Interdimensional hypothesis) variant per se, as there are no dimensions involved. Also Jacques never identified the source of the non-human intelligence nor suggested any link to AI.

Otherwise, you can check out my blog and either search (top right corner) for "PSP" or "Post Singularity" and you can see other material and the evolution of the concept.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Have you thought about the possibility that there isn't really a trigger state, but more how susceptible we are to it?

Terms like hypnotic susceptibility and attention control pop up on my 'search radar'. Mind, I'm not implying mental disorders here.

Bringing yourself in some sort of trance state might as well be the same as bringing your guard down for 'suggestion'.

Research on those fields could be checked with 'phenomena data' to check if there is any correlation.

Just a thought as I don't have data or experience as a foundation, but I have a feeling it's a more grey area in stead of 'now you may enter'.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

It is a more grey area. At least until you know a bit more...

But I'm going to clear it up some..im working on a free pdf people can read and pass around...

The information needs to get out.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Your post singularity plasma intelligence idea is a very interesting causal phenomenal speculation. One of the reasons that the thread you started captured my attention is due to several key aspects that you initially expressed and expanded on. One certain condition concerning what you described as often overlooked phenomenal attributes happened to me. I have very much experienced the UFO/high strangeness effect of what I have always called the "silence you can feel".

I have several key phenomenal causation speculations that I feel could reasonably abide along side your own, but that's something for a later time. I will state that you & I are also parallel within the perspective that the ETH is a very unlikely explanation with respect to UFO phenomenal causation. After having carefully considered what are vast numbers of witness reported Fortean phenomenal intersections, mostly those of a UFO orientation, it's far more likely that we are, in capacities for which we have little present understanding, centric to the phenomena. Possibly even essential with respect to it's existence.

As Vallee realized early on, we ourselves are the only real constant within the nature of that which is phenomenally interactive with us. Possibly there is no way that this

The concept of what is The Singularity often aligns itself in springboard fashion with respect to a myriad of speculations rooted in phenomenal causation for and of the UFO.

a reply to: CryptoXparaMental

Thank you. I certainly agree with you.

It's hard to write like i have.

So many people are desperate for their nuts and bolts delusions and their rescuing sky daddy delusions. They tend to get very nasty when another (much better) hypothesis is presented.

I'd go so far as to say, that the very best researchers are completely burned out with the online UFO scene and want nothing to do with it, as it is perceived to bring little or no value.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear


Have you talked or written about the opinions of John Lear? Who I believe has favorable opinions about the existence of plasma beings.

I don't favor or support any evidence on the existence of plasma beings --- because basically --- I believe it's impossible for any sentient plasma creature to exist inside a fluid plasma realm.

a reply to: Erno86

I do not find John Lear credible.

So even if he were to advovate something about "plasma beings" i would not be intetested.

As for "plasma beings" thats just part of the theory...something easy to talk about.

"Substrate independent" is the key phrase.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ


But I'm going to clear it up some..im working on a free pdf people can read and pass around...

The information needs to get out.

Kev

I'm looking forward to it. I hope I don't loose this link.

a reply to: 38181

Let me ask you this:

Would you concur that to believe in something enough to be researching it, would be a form of consent?

When it comes to sentient memes so to speak, the very act of puzzling about them in your mind would of necessity be the beginnings of giving permission?

Have you noticed that even thinking about high strangeness tends to encourage it?

And that ignoring it will generally cause it to subside?

People apparently think that some formal act of ritual will is required....

It's not true.

But this way...not just spiritual and religious people get used...but even atheists and people who believe in breaksway civilizations and black projects get sucked in too..

Thats why the Phenomenon assumes all forms..someone is bound to invite it in if there is unlimited variety.

And when people finally stop believing in UFOs, it will appear as something else.

This isn't my "paper". The subject of that goes back a few hundred years and paints a larger picture.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Good question, yes I concur. However is that the same as being inquisitive? I guess I can dive into psychology but the mere thoughts into learning something new requires a tint of belief.
So yes you are correct.

I think it would be extremely difficult to block any form of belief, living in a normal life.

a reply to: 38181

Yup.

It's a slippery slope.

And what with all the movies and TV shows about "UFOs" our minds are being constantly primed with belief, and belief leads to "giving permission".

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Wouldn't you be able to qualify that as a genie AI system that doesn't even need permission?

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

It's an extensive subject with many loopholes.

Kev

Kev, I've gotta say this hypothesis of yours certainly throws up way more questions and is so radical that the implications for this being the case is immense.
I find it answers so many questions regarding the field of ufology and that's just for starters, it answers a whole range of questions regarding paranormal events.

Though I can see the ancient aliens crew and those stuck in there ways with the nuts and bolts eth would find it hard to swallow and may even call it nonsense!
It's a BRILLIANT theory! It's just so logical when you look at the big picture this is the logical way it would work.

Say this super intelligent post singularity can literally materialise actual ships and some form of creature( even if it only lasted a few hours then just turned back into dust from where it came) this sort of allows for an alien presence with nuts and bolts craft! The kicker of course is it's not part of some alien civilisation,no it's just been manufactured for whatever reason, could be lots of reasons but you get the gist of what I mean.

When we hit the singularity we will most likely go this way or maybe merge with other post singularity what nots.

Brilliant and so simple really.

a reply to: stealthyaroura

I agree. It offers a way of looking beyond the (not so) obvious. Only, as I pointed out in a previous post, we got to keep aware this in itself doesn't become 'the easy answer' although it possibly is.

I'm most grateful Kevin sparked my interest into science again, combined with hypothetical concepts and thinking.

Some things are still a bit 'out there' for me (you can say not my reality), but I've enjoyed it so far and even learned some new scientific concepts along the way.

Most important for me is to think, not swallow.

So basically, thanks Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear I've had 8 different UFO/ET experiences over the past 5 years. Over a 2 week period starting 11/1/2011, I noticed on 4 different nights what I now believe was a portal in the sky above my home. 11/16/2011 I saw what was basically the equivalent of a 4-story building hovering in the air. The exterior was covered in layers of thick metal plates WITH HUGE RIVETS holding them in place. All the plates, 100+ per side, were all square/rectangular, all different sizes. But were not set in a normal 'pattern' as one would expect. Many were set at different angles. Like a 6 year old might install them. Two nights later, at almost the same time around dusk (6:40PM), I walk outside to a biological entity in almost the same place in the sky. This was a huge live being that had a luminescent canopy of a jellyfish and a long torso and tentacles of an Octopus. Without mentioning what it was, I dragged my neighbor out of her apartment, pointed at it, and asked her what 'the Hell is that?'... She replied, "A j-j-jellyfish". Which tells me it wasn't just in MY mind. We both perceived it the same way, whatever it was. I'm pressed for time being that it's 4AM so I've gotta cut this a little short. But at one point over the 10 minutes I stared and studied this thing it communicated with me telepathically. It asked me to observe a tiny group of stars that were almost directly above me at the time. It then said that it was associated with this cluster. I forgot about that part of the experience and while driving home from work a few days later, it popped into my head. As soon as I got home and on the computer, I learned that the star cluster I was directed to was the Pleiades. I had never had a reason to know anything about the Pleiades or it's location before that. To be directed by a random thought my brain invented and not an intelligence communicating, to me, is out of the question. Constantly looking for answers over the past 5 years I've found one thing that seems to cover nearly every aspect of what I've mentioned above. It's a pdf file. I'll post a link to it. Or you can Google it... bioufo.pdf. arpast.org...

a reply to: mrscary3721

Thank you for contributing.

As it happens, I own all of Jay Alfred's books.

However I do not agree with the great majority of this theories,
which are steeped in Theosophy.

Theosophy is very problematic.

But I do appreciate that Jay Alfred got at least close to the
ballpark compared to so many.

IMHO of course.

BTW... the fact that your neighbor saw "IT" means absolutely
nothing in terms of it being "real" or "not real".

Entire cities sometimes are affected by "not quite real"
lifeforms.. at least in terms of being organic/made of
normal matter.

But having seen such things myself, i know how deceptive
all this is; how easy it is to draw incorrect conclusions.

When I had my Black Triangle UFO incident, "IT" too
"talked to me telepathically". Only it lied of course..
anything such "life forms" say is a lie. Pretty much
100% of the time. This fact has been known for
thousands of years in the occult.

There is a reason that Jacques Vallee wrote a book titled,
"Messengers of Deception".

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

You are welcome.

The PSPH is just a hypothesis bordering on being a theory. And other things that i say
are just as/more speculative.

And I agree. All this is "too easy". It explains much of human experience and history.

But as you say, if it causes people to think.. to not just repeat the same old nonsense
that is a deception.. then that's a WIN!!

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ
nothing to add other than your post mirrors what i think and take from kev's viewpoint.
answers so many questions. but yes we can still keep our own theory’s to work on also.

John Alexander would likely agree with kev on this theory as he's in to the whole shamanistic field
and the guy is NO mug,yeah he works for the mic or worked (i believe he still consults) and he does not hold to the ETH hypothesis and like i say his conclusions come to the same thinking as JV and our KPB.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Do you have any more information you can share on the lying part? Since I don't know much about occult stuff ...

To bad Messengers of Deception is not so easy to find here. Was hoping for a Kindle version, but this doesn't seem to exist.

With Invisible College finished I'm not sure which book to tackle next. JV's trilogy (is it outdated?) or The Fall.