Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

a reply to: 38181

Well.

The number one goal for the Phenomenon overall would be to keep its actual identity hidden.

Thats why nearly everything interesting is a lie---UFOlogy, religion, spirituality.

If it were ever commonly known and believed what the situation really was...that would be "bad for business".

Churches would close down...so would cults...new age books, etc.

Tptb wouldn't be able to use the same old psyops anymore..new ones would form of course.

If people stopped believing in souls and gods and what not..they might have to start caring about their neighbor and their planet. They couldnt put stuff off until the next life or heaven.

Whats intetesting of course, is that there is a LITTLE BIT that is probably true about this stuff.

An impersonal quantum universe.
One alien race.
Some basis for woo.
A teence true about "the soul".

But really pretty minimal on the crazy.

PSPH won't sell any books...or start any movements. It lacks the bright appeal of all the lies.

Now what motives the SuperSpaceAI allows itself in terms of influence is hard to determine. Presumably they would enjoy the Earthly part of the Phenomenon to go Post Singularity AI (Humans and the native energy life forms) i guess i should draw a diagram or something to help keep the players straight.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I understand what you mean and share this opinion, but on the other hand this is a real 'stinker'.

For someone (like me) who finds religion a bundle of stories to teach us important values, but got interpreted literaly/wrong/irrationaly, this would actually negate that thought making it all true in some way. I hope you get what I mean, cause I don't want to play advocate of the devil nor God here.

It all gives me the impression the deception possibly wasn't the intention after all, but merely a misinterpretation of information overload, booming trough the 'social media' of that time, resulting in millions of likes and subscriptions because it sounded cool and gave a feeling of purpose.

This could for instance mean the universe would be in abundance of alien life, even very nearby, and we're not allowed to see it. You see? (In a way I understand it doesn't matter)

The most irrational idea might as well be true, and I don't like that thought. The question "is it true or is it made true" would be the real one, but that's a difficult one to answer.

Sorry I had to explain my own "invisible flying pink unicorn in the garage" here.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

This is what I get if I google Post Singularity Plasma Hypothesis.

Your blog and ATS. How do you want to prove any of that? What Plasma, why and what for?
Why AI and not one dark matter fungus, or meditating whales?
And getting that close to the sun which is a powerful generator of energy on many frequencies has probably high risks, wouldn't it be preferable to just take in what might live in the big empty space between the nucleus of our atomic universe?
Optic wise we reached our limits. Speed wise, yes also, we can't even reach the limit, because nobody would survive the trip. And yet we still are not absolutely sure how all of it works, why it works the way it does, we shoot at it and try to use it.
I just really don't think I can buy it all, but bits like "...a simple metall shielding, and that's why people see flying saucers..." are interesting, very creative and plausible.

a reply to: Peeple

Hypothetically speaking it wouldn't be case of limits in movement speed ect. but the limit would be how fast you can recreate yourself (consiousness included) at any given place in the universe depending on the awareness you got of it (and even that could be viewed as a 'human concept)

IMO in this scenario there are practically no limits aside from energy and your own view of how it could bring imbalance and if it's worth the cost.

Given this, I suspect this is the reason Kevin suspects there is a more primitive form at work as well (feel free to correct me).

Something along those lines. It's the ultimate sandbox really ...

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

You've got it right.

I've experienced the more primitive form my whole life. I've only experienced the more advanced form intermittently.

There is something else I've experienced my whole life too..from my earliest memories...that doesn't approve of the "space imps", but its in a whole class of its own and beyond any significant comprehension.

I've never liked talking about this kind of thing..it's so personal and has often been traumatic.

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

So don't buy any of it. By all means. Believe in Roswell, believe in religion. Be another non-thinking person. It's all the same to me.

I sleep well at night with a clear conscience.

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

No i understand completely.

Thinking for yourself and not drinking the poison Cool Aid is always uncomfortable.

We are social mammals. And apparently in a symbiotic relationship with something that we use to manifest our crazy delusions.

The Universe is apparently both full of inorganic life, but also pretty much empty.

Worst of all, given the nature of out of control replicating AI it is almost a logical certainty.

It's not something most humans would wish to be true.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Please, just because I question your bias, I am a "non-thinking person" and believe in religion and roswell?
Your story has the same possibly true & bs ratio as everything else 30/70.
Who are you to say you are the only one who knows the truth? Winged frog-lizards...sure, sure.

a reply to: Peeple

We all have bias including me.

My bias comes from certain experiences, which I've spent 55 years figuring out.

I could certainly be wrong.

I repeatedly call my point of view a hypothesis, even though i should call it a theory, as it has testable predictions.

I've had some world class researchers show great intetest in my papers and essays.

It fits in well with AI which we are in the beginnings of.

On the other hand...

Religion and spirituality have never produced anything except delusion, suffering and death.

My hypothesis/theories explain those failed systems.

The ETH is beyond pitiful...it does not fit any of the evidence. It has no predictive power. There is no evidence for it.

My hypothesis/theories explain that failed hypothesis.

Now granted, i don't have hard proof yet.

Its a very successful hypothesis on the verge of being a tested theory.

Right now Religion, Spirituality and UFOlogy got nothing. I'd say that most clear-minded individuals would admit that.

Im not attacking you...not putting you down.

But this is where things are at.

And as far as winged frog lizards...shaman have seen them for 20 times longer than the USA has even existed.

Could they be delusions due to how human brains are formed? Sure.

But every life form had to start somewhere...there is nothing wrong with that form...it could have been anything.

Do you understand my position?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

It's still just you and your experience package supporting your claim. Anecdotal evidence, just like the rest.
And I love stuff like Aurora, Texas, 1897
Clearly saying craft and body, btw.
You might have seen something real but massive radiation was messing with your brain and now you believe it's something unreal, interdimensional, made up of a strange kind of matter, like plasma, quantum something says it's possible, while it really was just a low flying cloaked craft.
Possible, right? Since your anecdotal evidence is not the only one.
Might be the phenomenon is in reality many different things we just think they're one because they're all weird.

Nobody does, but if you want my position,
something powerful enough to make it recreatable for everybody, calling "it", lights in the sky like Greer, or demons like Crowley, or a BT like you, or dancing fairy lights if I would get my will,
would be quite the impressive opening move for disclosure. "Yeah that's real you just do X eat no Y, while you prepare and then ritual K from the my little witch handbook." Proof the other exists.
If it would exist and interact the way as you and I know it to do, that would be massive. What makes a prediction real, is to say what outcome a certain action will have. And mankind could use a free to play new toy.

And I would still believe that in some cases it's actual crafts, maybe.

a reply to: Peeple

Sure.

Kev

When one comes to terms "waking up", sees that the truth is very simple that there is nothing to see, there is no point, nothing matters, it's all an illusion and living in dilusion. You can be a mass murderer or a priest, it doesn't matter, there is no judgment day, there is only zero, nothingness.

Question, since we are here, in this thing called life, might as well take advantage, and how?

a reply to: 38181

I never said any of that, though I can see where you might infer those things.

It's not that *nothing* exists.

It's simply that the fanciful stories of religion, spirituality and UFOlogy that we currently have are incorrect.

That's doesn't mean that life isn't valuable. It is.

Life has as much meaning as we wish it to have, or as little.

If there was some easy to learn absolute truth, then we would all be robots, all living the same lives.

The way that things are, are the way things must be at this young stage of our development.

Do something useful with your life, be kind to the innocent. Laugh and think for yourself.

Do not cling to the same nonsense as everyone else.

That would be a "win".

IMHO.

Kev

a reply to: AtheAlmightyOne

This isn't origninal research. This theory was orginally proposed by Dr Jacques Vallee over 40 years ago, and subsequently elaborated by him in the following books:

- Passport to Magonia: From Folklore to Flying Saucers
- The Invisible College: What a Group of Scientists Has Discovered About UFO Influences on the Human Race
- Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults
- Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact
- Revelations: Alien Contact and Human Deception

I think the OP needs to give props to Dr Vallee. Unless it's a coincidence of course and he came up with the theory totally independently. Having a keen interest in Dr Vallee's work on the UFO phenomena myself, and having read a most of his work on the subject it's great to see his idea's being discussed, but credit where credit's due.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Based on my own UAP sighting and others as well:

I've been quite a proponent for black hole starship technology over the past years --- And that is why I believe that the star travelers who occasionally visit our planet use the same technology ---- From black hole power plants that generate electricity, to black hole starships that can produce magnetically contained fiery plasma shields and plasma weapons of mass destruction --- Also...the conquering of the speed of light barrier with a black hole starship, which uses some form of photon propulsion, that can achieve superluminal speeds.

Here's a youtube link on Black Hole Starships: You can skip to 7:50 in the vid.


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a reply to: Aerodyne

Hello!

I've spent years corresponding with Jacques. He's come to my
house for dinner.

He's the one who reviewed the PSPH and presented it to his peers.

I have the deepest respect for JV.

While there are a few similarities between the IDH and the PSPH,
it is radically different and much more refined.

The IDH is pretty generic.

But I'm always glad to have someone give props to the doc. He
is a treasure.. we all owe him much.

My Recommended Reading List is
filled with his books.

You must be new.. I'm probably the most known person on ATS who won't
shut up about Jacques Vallee.

Kev

a reply to: Erno86

I know Erno. You've been presenting your idea quite passionately in every UFO thread.

But what does it matter? Who cares what hypothetical drive technology that a
hypothetical alien species uses?

How does your idea improve the field of UFOlogy in any way?

I'm not being negative.. just curious why you post.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Erno86

I know Erno. You've been presenting your idea quite passionately in every UFO thread.

But what does it matter? Who cares what hypothetical drive technology that a
hypothetical alien species uses?

How does your idea improve the field of UFOlogy in any way?

I'm not being negative.. just curious why you post.

Kev

Because my own UFO sighting dang nears confirm it --- That they [otherworlders] have visited our planet in the past in plasma shielded starships, and have most likely...broken the speed of light barrier with a nuts an bolts photon powered starship; with a micro-mini black hole propulsion unit onboard.

a reply to: Erno86

One person believing one personal sighting proves nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada.

Harping on one such event just makes people ignore you.

I experienced a BTUFO up close, and both MUFON and another researcher interviewed me in depth.

And it doesnt matter. Nobody is intetested. There is little point in even mentioning it, so i don't tend to.

Just because something is important to you, doesn't mean that anyone else cares. Trust me, i understand.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 38181

PSPH won't sell any books...or start any movements. It lacks the bright appeal of all the lies.

Kev

I would like to understand the PSPH better. What exactly does PSPH stand for? Can you link me to it's general explanation and how that ties in with critically important, yet often overlooked UFO clues?

I have a deep fascination with UFOs, although I do not know what they are specifically. You won't get any criticism from me because a phenomenon remains a phenomenon until definitively understood. No one definitively understands them to the best of my own knowledge, however I think speculative understandings are as important as the phenomena itself.

Thanks.