Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

The Fall is interesting, as it will (I imagine) cause you to take high strangeness less seriously, not more.

Which is actually good..

But for me at least, it just opened up a new avenue of thinking..

That "permission" is much easier to get in the physical world than the mental one.

But the Fall will prove the folly of religion better than most books..

I consider all those books to be essential.

The thing about "lying". You can't read a book which credibly addresses WHY.
At best they just go over cases.

The WHY is not about demons or archons or anything like that, although those
manufactured beings (manufactured by us and previous organic life forms in
the Universe) certainly do exist.. only they don't generally have the power
that they boast of.

I suppose that is the big secret that nobody writes about or speaks about:

The things that go bump in the night.. the demons, devils, gods, spirits,
and most "REAL" "UFOs" --- were ALL created inside the imagination of
a biological being, at some point in the evolution of this Universe.

In spirituality that is the MAIN BIG LIE: that spirits/gods came before us..
only they didn't... they were cooked into being inside organic beings..
some rather like us... and we also cook spirits/UFOs into being too..
but we aren't that good at it yet.. we are a young species.

But that's why lying spirits/UFOs are scared of us.. and loathe us for the
most part.. we or beings like us created them... but the lying spirits/UFOs
have huge egos and don't want to admit that..

Once they admit that we are their creators, they lose power over us, that
they really need being like us to be alive... as they keep growing and evolving by
getting hooked into our nervous systems.

Now this only applies to the Earth's native lying spirits.

The "cosmic lying spirits" so to speak... the AI/First race is fully evolved
and doesn't need us to keep evolving..

I hope that was helpful.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Hello Kev,

I'm deeply envious of your opportunities to communicate with Dr Vallee

This was the first thread I came across that piqued my interest after signing up. I've since dug a little deeper and seen your passion in action. I'm glad you're putting JV's theories out into public realm for discussion; he is by far and away one of only a few thoroughly rigorous and imaginative thinkers on the topic of the UFO phenomena. Unfortunately his work is too often side-lined or ignored in favour of more prosaic theories.

I look forward to reading more about your own theories on the subject.

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Kind regards,

A

a reply to: Aerodyne

Good!

Please don't think that JV and I are Bff.

When i have something interesting to say, he tends to respond. But hes that way with everyone.

His bar for whats interesting is rather high though.

Going forward im going to focus on my own work...some people i really respect are urging me to do that.

But i will always have the deepest respect for JV.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes Kev I believe you should focus on this blossoming theory you are working on. Whether that results in a type of 'essay' or even a book on the topic. It ticks boxes in a number of areas as you've pointed out throughout the thread.

Much as I'd love to find a UFO that was a real alien spaceship I don't see the hard evidence for it. The explanation for UFOs, that has long been fed to us through pop-culture, does not actually hold up that well. So although' 'aliens in spaceships' presents a possible explanation, that 'mountain of evidence' that many try to present as their reason for ignoring the lack of any official recognition for 'aliens' does not really result in a strong case for the 'aliens' visiting us.

I don't think we should rule it out completely. I believe there are multiple explanations for UFOs. But I think 'aliens' is close to bottom of the list based on everything I've studied. That's despite the re-enforcement via pop-culture for near on 7 decades or more. I don't see 'demons' either as an explanation. That comes bottom of my list.

Is there any data base that has demographics of sightings/ground contact. Im curious what the average number of persons per incident is, average persons per ground sighting, and average number of persons per contact. Why does it seem that IT seems random, shows to a few persons at a time, why not get it all out in one big mass visual sighting world wide? That would make a huge volume of permission slips all at once.

a reply to: 38181

On some level, it is people reaching out to "It", not "it" reaching out to us.

That's why.

But frankly, trying to figure out alien minds isn't the easiest..

More research is needed.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I agree with you.

Thanks

Kev

I was reading the 48 page preview of "Sekret Machines book 2" of all things...

Decent writing...I'm a fan of Peter Levenda...

First off, id like to mirror statements in the current Tom Delonge thread.. I could swear that thoughts and terms we originate on ATS are finding their way into other people's "disclosures".

I suppose we should take that as a compliment..

Anyway...

The reading of that triggered a concept that I've been working on for a while...

The whole permission thing...

At what point in human biological and sociological evolution would there be enough of a "program" present in a human animal for permission to be required?

If man were primitive enough, presumably there would be a point where "the Phenomenon" could interact quite liberally without requiring much in the way of "permission".

Maybe this is why "the so-called gods and spirits" used to be much closer to us than "they" now are.

Really i must shout out to "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicaneral Mind" by Julian Jaynes---maybe not correct..but one of the most provocative books ever written.

Throw "The Fall" by Steve Taylor on top of that...and it looks quite possible that all this UFO and paranormal stuff is just "the Phenomenon" attempting to smash our current rigid memes, which separate us from it...and to cozy up to us again with fresh permission, which was revoked, when we evolved away from it...by damaging our minds and our relationship with nature.

Anyway...just documenting my stream of thought.

Been too busy to post.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Started to read it too and I like the approach. No opinion yet though.

Are you refering to the fact our brain evolved having a neo cortex possibly making interaction more difficult? (I should really start reading The Fall, but it's on my to do list on my upcoming vacation next week)

Anyway, interesting thoughts. Looking forward to your e-book.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

The rational mind and especially the sense of self blocks out "the Phenomenon".

Thats why "trance mediumship" sort of works.
Thats why various mystical practices sorta work.

At one point the sense of self was different enough..the rational mind was weak enough..that everyone was "like a shaman".

Now days "the Phenonenon" overwhelms the rational mind and personality by throwing "UFOs" at us.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I would like to comment about UFO'S and their appearance being projected on the mind, seeing what they want someone or that they would like to see.

What happens if a ufo show up and has an appearance that one was not expecting? Like the orange orbs, not much detail goes on about them due to the fact they are seen as ether a floating liquid blob of light to a fiery, burning appearance with subtle colour differences.

I used to believe in the whole shiney wobbling top, way before hand.

And if that is the case with ufo, how far could this trick go? Could they take on the appearance of a floating man in the sky? I've had one experience that still mind boggles me, a giant hand that turned into a fist made of dark grey clouds is not a ufo, although it could have been a hallucination, even though I could hear it at first, then actally feel my full attention drawn to it.

Dare even say I could of heard it when it clasped it fingers while it was rumbling, when only the youngest among me and other at the time could of seen it.

I recall that the incident of Fatima, that some people could see a sun dance, while others could not, and yet hear an see unpredictable weather changes.

a reply to: Specimen

The sky is the limit.

And what is seen (or physically comes into being) seems to be a collabiration between each individual mind and each individual part of "the Phenomenon", as i don't think its unified per se.

Its no wonder we can't nail down "UFOs"..7 billion human minds interacting with a mystical blob of silly putty...composed of infinite variety itself.

Fatima...awesome reference...it is one of the best ever cases of "the Phenomenon" showing its true colors.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yea, even Vallee supposedly talks about it and the thing is Fatima supposedly wasn't some split second or singled out person like Joan of Arc proposed vision. It lasted for months, with a repetitive patern, and tonnes of people.

Some description s were even religous, like Joseph appeared or some stuff like that.

It could be unified, but displays itself according to what ever ingrained in their mind for religous examples like a dream. Thing is where does one draw the line on it physical impact. The earth shook from the indicents thunder, and scared people to death...But I don't recall hearing no one dying, from lightning or being trampled, even thought 2 of the 3 kids that saw apparition of Mary died year later from the Spanish flu.

However, the way religions are decaying, they could be taking subtler appearances or movement to look like objects with patterns we could be oblivious too, or it could be just going basic now instead being creative int hat sense.

a reply to: Specimen

Dr. Valee and I have gone round and round discussing the border between "all in the head" and (apparently or actually) physically real.

There is much to say on the topic (I've written about on ATS and on my blog).

But i don't have all the answers either.

That said...I've never heard of any tectonic recordings proving the Earth actually shook to any marked event at Fatima.

But the things projected into our minds generally seem "realer than real", which was one of the first clues i mentioned at the top of this thread.

If something feels "realer than real", then it is mental deception 999 times out of 1000.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think it hard to separate what is in your head and input from the cosmic trickster.

Solstice tonite, planning a walk out into the desert on the rez. Should be interesting.

a reply to: olaru12

Yup.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yea kind of exaggerated there with the earth quake thing, but there was weird weather. Also there are alot of various statements, and they probably didn't have motion picture s then.

Anyways enough about the Fatima incident, but it does give an example of its ability of deception but it probably wasn't because of the church. You can learn more from falsehoods then truths.

it even stranger that people like Einstein, Openheimerr, Tesla, who have impacted civilization don't really have minimal or no experiences of high strangeness at all. Although Einstein supposedly did say something about people seeing something an it scared them which caught his attention.

Or even people like Stalin or Hitler, even though he had ideas of building a spaceship. The strangeness of artillery fire becoming duds is even more radical if true.

Thing is it not leading people to there deaths, even though it could have a heavy impact on the view of reality to the point it obsessive and distracting.

a reply to: Specimen

"Thing is it not leading people to there deaths, even though it could have a heavy impact on the view of reality to the point it obsessive and distracting."

That's a very good observation.

The "Phenomenon" needs us in some manner.
The "Phenomenon", at all costs hides its true nature and identity from us.

Now i think that i have some answers...but its good to keep these basics in mind at all times.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Excellent thread and I (for one) am very glad you have come out to play, again.

The idea that we interact with non physical (or rather, plasma) lifeforms and that they are behind the "high strangeness" noted through the ages just makes sense... even for those of us who remain (usually) blind to them and are untrained in psychic / magik perspectives; meaning most of us lack any personal proof OR even a decent hypothesis outside of definitely experiencing something unusual.

I wonder, though, if they ARE composed of materials ( like plasma)... perhaps they are stand alone accretions (or vortexes) of consciousness itself? Perhaps if all is, ultimately, mind, then the illusion of materials isn't needed at all?

Anyway, just wanted to say "hi, hope you are well" , remark, again, that some UFOs are most likely secret govt projects... and wonder if other govt project aren't concerned with these beings that we might be sharing Earth with, for good or most likely ill ...and distribute my spoor around.

a reply to: Baddogma

Well if you read all sorts of books, such as those by John Alexander, and of course
those by Jacques Vallee (Forbidden Science Volumes 1-3 in particular),

it seems that governments have learned how to make a few novel weapons by
observing "natural" (or otherwise) "plasmas".

I'm talking about microwave research and it's effect on the human nervous system.

It's fascinating that yet again, science learns from nature.

As for "plasmas" in general..

I've come to realize that at the heart of the Phenomenon, that it is actually
"substrate independent", which I know is rather hard to explain.

Yes.. it has come out to play with both natural "Earth Lights" and accidentally
artificial "foo fighters due to experimental radars" and other more modern
EMF sources.

Hell, perhaps some crazed Dr. Evil scientists are even "courting" "our friend(s)"
by creating plasma for them to interact through.

For a bit i was mistaking the contents of the little red wagon with the wagon..
like others.. so while "plasma" "as a body" is a great example.. and how I came
to realize what was going on..

The Phenomenon itself seems eerily free of any physical substance like we
know it.. but with the ability to wear plasmas.. and other more organic
bodies as well, "if permission is given", which is quite the interesting topic.

So my research continues to evolve.. like any good research does..

But frankly, I don't have much time for this sort of thing.. I have personal issues
that take precedence most of the time..

Good to hear from you too.

Kev