I'm pro Trump and pro Wall...

a reply to: Grimpachi

80 million that's it?

originally posted by: onequestion

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: onequestion

Do you also think Mexico will be paying for said imaginary wall? To be for 'the wall' you also have to believe how Trump wants to fund the wall.

We don't need a literal wall all we have to do is fine the companies who hire illegals and eventually they will leave.

More to it than that...Most of those illegals don't go to work...They go on U.S. welfare...That has to end as well...

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Grimpachi

80 million that's it?

Yup.. That would be for the shanty towers alone. As pointed out though 20K per tower wouldn't provide much and wouldn't factor in costs associated with septic tanks and upkeep. I guess the roads would be dirt to get there.

The pay for the guards would probably be 10 times as much alone. That would be every year.

Don't forget we would still need agents to catch the people because 2 guys in a tower can't do much except keep a look out and wouldn't be able to detain many people in their shanty if they did leave the towers to catch them.

a reply to: crazyewok

Largely, I agree. thank goodness. there's enough as it is....

a reply to: onequestion

i take you pro brainwashing as well

originally posted by: Eilasvaleleyn
a reply to: GoShredAK

I agree with your principles, but disagree that building a wall is an effective course of action.

I think something you should ask yourself about Trump, is whether he is being serious about the issues without PC lollygagging (such as "Look, illegal immigration is a real problem that affects our citizens and significantly affects their ability to obtain a job. In an attempt to fix this problem, I propose we of construct a wall that will significantly impair those wishing to cross our borders unannounced. I know this may get me labelled as a racist, but I believe this is one of the few options we have left.")
or if he is just being a prick. He might not be "PC", but is what he is saying worth consideration on its own merit?
From what I have observed, no, it is not. Throwing out slurs and insults and lies doesn't make you someone "fighting against the PC threat," it just makes you an uncivil, untrustworthy asshole.

That being said my best buddy and I are pro trump. My reasoning is simple, we need a businessman, someone ruthless (not at all in the way all the previous have been) but with money. In a smart manner.

Actually, you need an economist. Someone that understands that Reaganomics is a scam. A "Businessman" is not the correct answer, because a large amount of business success comes not from good management (though that plays a part), but through abusing government loopholes and buying politicians to pass favorable legislation. Trump has no incentive to close those loopholes. He has every incentive to widen them.
There have also been a lot of accusations that Trump himself sucks as a businessman and was only successful due to the fortune he borrowed (and inherited) from his father.

I don't find the wall realistic at all. More of
Just a metaphor that something freaking astronomically huge must be done for change.

Also Im afraid Trump, if elected would follow the trend and Simply disappoint. I honestly suspect he's only running as a distraction, he'll most likely make some more chess moves and intentionally get removed, thus clearing the path for someone truly horrible (cut out for me job)

Back to the wall. Illegal immigration is a bit of a problem I guess, but I don't buy that it's th worst thing ever. I don't really feel like they're taking our jobs as vicously as is portrayed. I'm mexican, legal granted, bit I find that whole subject a bit racist.

If a white guy wants a min wage job I'm sure If he puts in the effort he can get It no problem.

My wall is for scumbag murdering piles, especially ISIS.

My bean eating brethren don't big me and have never affected me negatively.

We're all so screwed anyway, it's gonna be Hillary, and when that happens we will truly be living in some horrifying surrealistic nightmare.........interesting times a comin.....

originally posted by: moresco
a reply to: Snarl

So in effect you would sentence to death those who would try to come in illegally?

My second response in-thread very specifically answered this question before you repeated it. Did you think I would change my mind?

Men, women and, children? A little harsh don't you think?

I'm not getting wrapped around the axle about it. It's simply my opinion. They're breaking the law coming here illegally. They know this ... and they do it anyway. You wouldn't want me to discriminate and leave out women and children, would you?

a reply to: Snarl

Just askin man. No need to get snappy..I'll just find the other comment you mentioned and comment on that

a reply to: Snarl

Ok this is probably the post you were referring to. Still seems a bit harsh...actually not a bit it just seems pretty ridiculous. Basically you're saying to kill anyone who comes here illegally. What about those who make it through?

Sorry if this isn't the post you were talking about but you're idea is horribly immoral.

I never thought I would see the day where Americans wanted to model their border off of North Koreas.

originally posted by: GoShredAK

I don't find the wall realistic at all. More of
Just a metaphor that something freaking astronomically huge must be done for change.

Whether it is a real wall or drones and movement sensors it is still a wall...hehe. The neat part is working visas could pay for it all. A typical illegal pays 1000 to 2000 to get into the US, if we made a 500 dollar working visa and allowed 1 million to come and work per year for one year at a time that would generate 500 million dollars per year to support the borders while being cheaper for the workers.

Back to the wall. Illegal immigration is a bit of a problem I guess, but I don't buy that it's th worst thing ever. I don't really feel like they're taking our jobs as vicously as is portrayed. I'm mexican, legal granted, bit I find that whole subject a bit racist.

Why should Mexicans get an advance over the other 6 billion in the world where many would love and come here on a work visa program. I have a sister in law I been trying to get here for the last 12 years, but it seems many South of the Border feel they have rights over all others in the world just because they can physically sneak into the country.

If you have kids and saw 40 to 1 ratio in schools due to illegals and 8 hour waiting at ERs due to illegals you might think differently.

If a white guy wants a min wage job I'm sure If he puts in the effort he can get It no problem.

It's not minimum wage jobs, it is an employer taking advantage of illegals to pay them well under minimum wage in jobs that should pay 2 or 3 times minimum wage. Illegals are used/abused and Americans lose out to jobs that should pay more.

My bean eating brethren don't big me and have never affected me negatively.

The average Mexican that comes here are some hard working people, and many are truly talented..ever see them lay Sheetrock or poor cement? Artistic comes to my mind. Closing the borders and keeping out the bad ones while providing a real wage for the good ones is not a bad thing at all. We just do not need 15 million of them where most of the 15 million are not working, but just living here.

We're all so screwed anyway, it's gonna be Hillary, and when that happens we will truly be living in some horrifying surrealistic nightmare.........interesting times a comin.....

True, the evil bitch will be the next POTUS. I personally work myself into a position where it doesn't matter who is picked, but for 80% of America they will sure feel the pain once again.

a reply to: Grimpachi

We're being invaded by other countries.

Americans don't even own anything in America anymore and I want my wealth back!

a reply to: Xtrozero

$500?

Come on your selling your citizenship way to cheaply!

Make it $5000! That will keep the riff raff out.

You only want educated and skilled people who can support them self's.

To be honest you could probably get awag with charging $10k.

originally posted by: MOMof3
Well said. And I like the attitude my 30yr son has. He said he was not afraid to compete for a job with anyone. He would not want to work for a company that would hire an unqualified for any job.

Exactly. I would have no problem competing either. Although, there's not much to compete with when the other person wouldn't be eligible for jobs anyway. Well, most all jobs that is. As I said, you of course need to be identified, and have all of your tax information processed before you're hired.

The way I see it, if you lose your job to an under qualified, loosely educated, Mexican national undocumented worker, then maybe you're the problem, not the Mexican.

originally posted by: crazyewok

You only want educated and skilled people who can support them self's.

To be honest you could probably get awag with charging $10k.

We do not need educated.. we need skilled and people willing to do jobs Americans will not do, so 5000 would be too much for them. We also do not want people here to support themselves, but come and work on a contract for XX months then go home. We do not need their whole family here, just the workers in limited rolls that we need them in.

originally posted by: Honcho

originally posted by: MOMof3
Well said. And I like the attitude my 30yr son has. He said he was not afraid to compete for a job with anyone. He would not want to work for a company that would hire an unqualified for any job.

Exactly. I would have no problem competing either. Although, there's not much to compete with when the other person wouldn't be eligible for jobs anyway. Well, most all jobs that is. As I said, you of course need to be identified, and have all of your tax information processed before you're hired.

The way I see it, if you lose your job to an under qualified, loosely educated, Mexican national undocumented worker, then maybe you're the problem, not the Mexican.

What about college students that need entry level jobs?

What about poor Americans?

What about out of work people that need SOMETHING?

Glad you can spit in the face of Americans that actually NEED something.

Illegal Immigrants have taken over MANY industries here that used to pay good wages. Nice that you think foreign national invaders coming in and undercutting those industries and living 8 to an apartment to save money, is AMERICA's FAULT.

Bad America! How dare we!

originally posted by: onequestion

Americans don't even own anything in America anymore and I want my wealth back!

And some blowhard know nothing who's been an enthusiastic participant in that process his entire adult life is the answer?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: crazyewok

You only want educated and skilled people who can support them self's.

To be honest you could probably get awag with charging $10k.

We also do not want people here to support themselves in.

Thats makes no economic sense....


If they can afford to buy a house and support themselves without help then they will only add to the economy not take away from it.

originally posted by: moresco
it just seems pretty ridiculous

Okay. Do you deny that it would be a mostly effective deterrent?

And as for the ones that are already here: Send 'em back. If they're getting through ... fill in the gaps.

Any way you cut it, it's cheaper (and a more realistic 'solution') than building a wall.

you're idea is horribly immoral

This is NOT what I would do if elected President. There's a much better way of stopping illegals from crossing the border. Part of this thread's topic has to do with being pro-wall. I'm not really a pro-wall kind'a guy: too hard to build and maintain, too expensive, an eye-sore ... and the parts that are there don't serve as an effective deterrent.

People are aware that jobs are a RESOURCE...right?

They don't just appear in perpetuity for all that want one.

And if a guy is willing to take $6 and hour, for a job that would pay $15 an hour, were him and his cohorts NOT HERE...it's logical to think that an employer who won't get punished will take 2.5 Illegal Workers, for the price of ONE LEGAL worker.

But yeah, America's fault!