Why are you so afraid of the socialist society?

originally posted by: DexterRiley
I know that the new education theory, Common Core, is rather foreign to most parents. However there are some elements that do remind me of a few things we did all those years ago.

I'm a bit more familiar with high school though. I have found it difficult to have conversations with some high school kids, as well as recent graduates, that lead me to believe that today's standards are not as high as they once were.

I was very anti-Common Core until involved with it. Now, I am a huge supporter.

My granddaughter is a sophomore. We demand she keep her grades up. She found it difficult to do that and hang with friends who's parents let them do whatever they want.

While there are some self motivated kids - - - parental involvement is the primary key as far as I've experienced.

We are very fortunate to have public school - - the right of every child to get an education.

originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: ketsuko

1.) Engaged parents - you better be for the price

Parental involvement was one of the main points that came across to me when I visited my daughter's teachers in school. My wife and I seldom missed a parent-teacher conference. They would always complain that they never see the parents that they needed to see. The good students were the ones who had parents that considered themselves stakeholders in their children's future.

-dex

And this is also part of the problem too. When you have a public school that has to take every kid and can't do anything about the ones who don't or won't behave for whatever reason, the parents are seldom the ones who will engage and be part of the solution.

And now the schools can't do much to enforce discipline either, so those kids end up creating a losing situation for others. They need specialized schools and approaches in and of themselves, but PC won't let that happen. There are no special snowflakes and everyone is a special snowflake at the same time these days. What a twisted paradox of failure we've created.

a reply to: Annee

Unfortunately, there is no solution to dumb and un-engaged parents.

I agree with you though.

~Tenth

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ketsuko

I didn't ignore your question. For instance, If those in construction are paid out of the HUD budget, how are they not getting paid for their labor?

I also realize that the market isn't static and that people will inflate costs just to milk the government. I hinted at it when I said that we just don't have the will. It's pure greed that drives that. But that's a different topic.

Again, where does the money come from?

I already answered that when I said that I didn't mind that a small portion of my tax money go for those areas. We are a taxed society and there's no way around that. Police, EMS, road crews, teachers etc. are subsidized through tax money. Why not a construction worker building a home for someone who's homeless? Once again, I don't have a problem with tax money going for that.

I'd rather see it go toward someone getting food or a home rather than this:

How the Pentagon spent $43 million on a single gas station

a reply to: Annee

They don't teach reading very soundly.

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ketsuko

I didn't ignore your question. For instance, If those in construction are paid out of the HUD budget, how are they not getting paid for their labor?

I also realize that the market isn't static and that people will inflate costs just to milk the government. I hinted at it when I said that we just don't have the will. It's pure greed that drives that. But that's a different topic.

Again, where does the money come from?

I already answered that when I said that I didn't mind that a small portion of my tax money go for those areas. We are a taxed society and there's no way around that. Police, EMS, road crews, teachers etc. are subsidized through tax money. Why not a construction worker building a home for someone who's homeless? Once again, I don't have a problem with tax money going for that.

I'd rather see it go toward someone getting food or a home rather than this:

How the Pentagon spent $43 million on a single gas station

So you want to tax everyone to pay construction workers to build housing for everyone, people to manufacture clothing forever for everyone, farmers to grow food forever for everyone?

What kind of wages do you think they should make? Ought they to be union labor? What do you think will happen to those workers not in the government versions of those industries?

originally posted by: ketsuko
They need specialized schools and approaches in and of themselves, but PC won't let that happen. There are no special snowflakes and everyone is a special snowflake at the same time these days. What a twisted paradox of failure we've created.

My 1st grade grandson is high functioning Autistic. He's been in a public school program since age 3.

They have been amazing in working with him. He's mainstreamed now, but also goes to classes outside his classroom. As several kids do for their specific needs.

The school has done everything to accommodate him and his needs. The school and all personnel have been amazing.

Its not the school.

However, yes, without parent involvement he would be disruptive. But, the Public school has been there 100%

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ketsuko

I didn't ignore your question. For instance, If those in construction are paid out of the HUD budget, how are they not getting paid for their labor?

I also realize that the market isn't static and that people will inflate costs just to milk the government. I hinted at it when I said that we just don't have the will. It's pure greed that drives that. But that's a different topic.

Again, where does the money come from?

I already answered that when I said that I didn't mind that a small portion of my tax money go for those areas. We are a taxed society and there's no way around that. Police, EMS, road crews, teachers etc. are subsidized through tax money. Why not a construction worker building a home for someone who's homeless? Once again, I don't have a problem with tax money going for that.

I'd rather see it go toward someone getting food or a home rather than this:

How the Pentagon spent $43 million on a single gas station

So you want to tax everyone to pay construction workers to build housing for everyone, people to manufacture clothing forever for everyone, farmers to grow food forever for everyone?

What kind of wages do you think they should make? Ought they to be union labor? What do you think will happen to those workers not in the government versions of those industries?

Any more loaded questions you have to ask?

What you're suggesting is not what the poster said, you're deflecting and doing it very poorly.

Nowhere in his/her post, did they say the support "taxing everyone to provide for everyone," and your borderline trolling with the loaded question fallacies.

Do you know how much the Pentagon spends on nuts & washers? It's freaking asinine, and efficiency wise - if it were any sort of company, they wouldn't last long.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

They don't teach reading very soundly.

Are you kidding?

Reading and creative writing are the core basics starting in Kindergarten.

At least in our Public School.

The opportunity for good Socialist Public School is there.

a reply to: Annee

I'm not talking about ones like your grandson.

I am talking about the ones who lack any idea what proper behavior is because they haven't been taught it at home. They likely have no learning or other issues. They just haven't been brought up proper.

They used to get sent to military school once upon a time.

a reply to: ketsuko

There are no special snowflakes and everyone is a special snowflake at the same time these days. What a twisted paradox of failure we've created.

An interesting point. Is our socialist education system wasting resources in an attempt to treat all students equally?

I have heard of cases where a teacher had to leave her advanced students to their own devices while she spent the majority of her time trying to bring the lower students up to grade level.

-dex

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: DexterRiley

The American public school system is a good example of a nearly 100% socialized system.

The VA Healthcare system is another.

One year after VA scandal, the number of veterans waiting for care is actually up 50 percent!!!

www.washingtonpost.com...

They can keep your continued socialism, what we have is enough.... and more will "fundamentally transform" us into resembling Venezuela.

They need to let us know how that Socialism works in a few years when every citizen of every 3rd world country floods their system to collect the best benefits.

a reply to: maplecustom

Simply because its record of failure is undeniable.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ketsuko

I didn't ignore your question. For instance, If those in construction are paid out of the HUD budget, how are they not getting paid for their labor?

I also realize that the market isn't static and that people will inflate costs just to milk the government. I hinted at it when I said that we just don't have the will. It's pure greed that drives that. But that's a different topic.

Again, where does the money come from?

I already answered that when I said that I didn't mind that a small portion of my tax money go for those areas. We are a taxed society and there's no way around that. Police, EMS, road crews, teachers etc. are subsidized through tax money. Why not a construction worker building a home for someone who's homeless? Once again, I don't have a problem with tax money going for that.

I'd rather see it go toward someone getting food or a home rather than this:

How the Pentagon spent $43 million on a single gas station

So you want to tax everyone to pay construction workers to build housing for everyone, people to manufacture clothing forever for everyone, farmers to grow food forever for everyone?

What kind of wages do you think they should make? Ought they to be union labor? What do you think will happen to those workers not in the government versions of those industries?

And you'd rather people die from exposure, go hungry, and go naked because people are not willing for a miniscule amount of the tax budget to go for those things?

If there was a proper bidding process, that didn't involve corruption and kickbacks, free market would be maintained. I also never stated the government should start its own produce store or construction company.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

I'm not talking about ones like your grandson.

I am talking about the ones who lack any idea what proper behavior is because they haven't been taught it at home. They likely have no learning or other issues. They just haven't been brought up proper.

They used to get sent to military school once upon a time.

I actually support National Guard/Police having a school facility for disruptive kids.

I do not support disruptive kids in the general Public School.

There must be a way to make this happen.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

They don't teach reading very soundly.

Are you kidding?

Reading and creative writing are the core basics starting in Kindergarten.

At least in our Public School.

It's the approach, not that they ignore it.

Many of the Kindergarten Reading standards were not written based on sound research.

Pushing a child to be too academic too early can hurt him or her rather than help.

a reply to: infolurker

But are the issues with the VA based on its "socialist nature?" Or is it because of its unbelievable level of bureaucracy?

As I understand it, some of the top level officials at the VA actually performed criminal acts. Yet because of their bureaucracy they are having difficulty firing them.

-dex

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ketsuko

I didn't ignore your question. For instance, If those in construction are paid out of the HUD budget, how are they not getting paid for their labor?

I also realize that the market isn't static and that people will inflate costs just to milk the government. I hinted at it when I said that we just don't have the will. It's pure greed that drives that. But that's a different topic.

Again, where does the money come from?

I already answered that when I said that I didn't mind that a small portion of my tax money go for those areas. We are a taxed society and there's no way around that. Police, EMS, road crews, teachers etc. are subsidized through tax money. Why not a construction worker building a home for someone who's homeless? Once again, I don't have a problem with tax money going for that.

I'd rather see it go toward someone getting food or a home rather than this:

How the Pentagon spent $43 million on a single gas station

So you want to tax everyone to pay construction workers to build housing for everyone, people to manufacture clothing forever for everyone, farmers to grow food forever for everyone?

What kind of wages do you think they should make? Ought they to be union labor? What do you think will happen to those workers not in the government versions of those industries?

And you'd rather people die from exposure, go hungry, and go naked because people are not willing for a miniscule amount of the tax budget to go for those things?

If there was a proper bidding process, that didn't involve corruption and kickbacks, free market would be maintained. I also never stated the government should start its own produce store or construction company.

We already spend more than a miniscule amount of the tax budget on it.

And you want to eliminate corruption and kickbacks? The more you involve the entity that writes the laws in the system, the more likely it is you will see more corruption. It's not illegal until it is, and if it's illegal, it soon won't be. *wink, wink*

originally posted by: DexterRiley
a reply to: infolurker

But are the issues with the VA based on its "socialist nature?" Or is it because of its unbelievable level of bureaucracy?

As I understand it, some of the top level officials at the VA actually performed criminal acts. Yet because of their bureaucracy they are having difficulty firing them.

-dex

Ugh! Socialism IS bureaucracy. The UK's NHS employs more people than our own military, just for their tiny island. Can you imagine what kind of monstrosity a similar system here in the US would become?

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: maplecustom

by the people... of the people... and... gasp for the people? oh heavens no.

«sarcastically shudders»

That is the government, not the economy. Socialism is the economy.

at the top of all governments is a capitalist agenda... they desire to make money, so no sir. how they spend what they take is what defines the rest.