Donald Trump: We Will Have a ‘Deportation Force’

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: randyvs

Oh what are you gonna do Einstien put every illegal immigrant into
the court system? Instead of court appointed field justices that can
assertain guilt immediately. On a bus gone!

You have to know by now that I am a pretty fierce opponent of illegal immigration. That said:

Have you considered the idea that maybe there isn't really anything we CAN do about them legally? I think, in this case, we should focus our energy into deporting the real criminals, and providing a set of standards for the rest to remain.

We don't abandon the Constitution, or pick it apart like a menu because we find due process inconvenient. You either do it the right way, or you find other means to alleviate the situation, but you do not advocate for abrogating the rights of the people. NO MATTER WHO THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE.

Thank you! I know we are in disagreement about this topic in general, but at least you are keeping a sane head about it.

originally posted by: whyamIhere

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: queenofswords

There is an agenda going on at an organizational level and on a global level. Why? Who is behind it? The UN?

No...

It's the corporate Oligarchy that profits from cheap labor. It's the Capitalist essentially keeping profit and money in circulation...The bankers.

How are you going to address that power?

Trump is full of BS and he knows it. In fact he is part of the problem...how many illegals work in his casinos and other business ventures? plenty...

I'll believe him when he fires and deports his own hired help.

I wish they would just nominate Jeb.

Pretending someone else might get the nomination is getting tiring.

Yep, Trump is a brilliant entertainer; building and firming up a fan base of Right Wing conservatives just like Justin B. and Hanna M.
targets tweens for their fans.

Trump in the future will have a Fox program all his own....He will be the New Rush, Beck etc.

In anticipation...I'm sending him my resume for a gig as perhaps a staff writer, Producer/director of his show.

a reply to: olaru12

I can this happening.


They could see no one wanted a Bush III

So they have organized this circus of bat # crazy. With loons like Trump, Cruz , Carson and Rubio

After looking at the asylum Jeb comes out the sane one from a group of loons.

They are basically sanitizing him.

At the end it will be do you want some bat # crazy like Trump or Cruz as your leader or Bush who is obviously a corporate shill but at least sane?

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated

I hope you know that doing this would likely destroy what little remains of our agricultural base in the country.

Destroy it how? There are plenty of people who will do the work who are here legally. If the illegal immigrants still want to do the work, they can apply to come here legally to do so.

Just because you say that this is true, doesn't make it so.

Georgia's Harsh Immigration Law Costs Millions in Unharvested Crops

After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia...

Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars' worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they've done to Georgia's largest industry....

The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.

All of this is to say if you're going to stop illegal immigrants from doing a job you should be prepared for the job, and perhaps even the business itself, to go away. You may think this is worth it, but you should at least be acknowledging the risks and weigh them against what, if anything, you think is being gained.

I find it odd that you progressives love to talk about minimum wage, etc but then at the same time support bringing in low skilled immigrants which puts even further pressure on wages for these menial jobs. Which one is it? If you choke off the supply of this cheap labor, the agriculture business will then need to raise wages to attract legal workers.

I don't support "bringing in low skilled immigrants". I support not treating these people that are living within our borders like animals. An unpleasant reality that we have to deal with is that there ARE industries in our country that rely completely on illegal immigrants and those industries WILL go bankrupt without them. Until we can fix that problem adequately, instituting a labor supply shock into the system isn't going to make things easier for us in the long run.

I'm not FOR employing illegal immigrants; but if we don't want to rely on them anymore, we need to do something to support all the industries that rely on them when we throw them out. I'm pretty sure you don't want to see our agricultural base disappear in this country right?

If someone wants to immigrate to America, I am all for it. However, we have a legal immigration system that is already setup. Is it perfect? No. However, we cannot just have open borders for all. We simply cannot afford it and it isn't secure.

It's interesting that people such as yourself tout this rhetoric, but I see very few of you calling for comprehensive immigration reform for the immigration process being too costly, time consuming, and tedious for the people trying to immigrate here. Whenever I see your camp talking about immigration reform, it's always to try to throw people out of the country, not try to make the legal process easier for everyone.

It's funny how the mere suggestion of tweaking the constitution & the amendments to bring it in line with modern times gets knee-jerk screams of treason, but pfft, who needs to follow what's there anyway according to some in this thread. Due process, who needs it!

Look, rounding people up & tossing them out the razor-wire bordered door isn't going to stop people from coming back. Even the worst paying under-the-table jobs here are worth doing in the eyes of illegals. You stop it by punishing those who employ them, or in the event of repeat offenders, yanking their business license & shutting them down permanently. And in doing that, you see the who the real offenders harming the economy & production output are. They were really wiling to risk their business & legal employees' jobs for some illegally saved coin.

a reply to: Nyiah

Exactly.....

That makes the most sense of all. Punish those who employ them. If there is no work and no welfare for them then they wont come.

Better than spending trillions on walls and a extra police/border force.




PS
I am in love with you avatar

a reply to: Nyiah

I can agree that those hiring illegals are also a problem, but I can't understand why you put no blame on the people who are breaking the law and coming here illegally to take those jobs.

If I have illicit drugs and I offer them to people for free, those who take them are not free of any guilt. I am guilty and so are they and both deserve to be handled within the law.

It feels like some really want to deflect ALL the blame on those doing the hiring and treat those here illegally as victims.

I don't see a problem with that/this. But we already have one though. It is already, illegal to be illegal. Is it not? Why is it "illegal" if all the alphabet agencies aren't going to inforce the "laws" already on the books? It's time to revamp and overhaul the Fed government "Law Enforcement ". Let the States worry about thier citizens. Put the feds back on track protecting the States. Just about all our families "immigrated" to the US. Let everyone do it,...No! MAKE everyone do it according to our laws. Heck! If non-natives don't have to obey our Laws...Why should...?

a reply to: anon72

I don't believe he has the man power of resources to conduct this and its obviously a bad waste of American Citzens tax dollars.The problem with illegal immigration is simple jobs, housing and education! First off jobs create a law which fines "large fines" any business that employs illegal aliens. #2 make housing conform to the same standards as as getting a job aka no apartments or renting to illegal aliens.#3 Education remove children from educational programs if they are not citizen. #4 However if they actually want to become citizens allow them to and create a process that tracks and background checks their history. If they have no violent crimes and work hard let them become a citizen.

#5 heavy tax us dollars that funnel into Mexico as payments to relatives.

The problem the Hispanic community has with illegal immigration is of there own making. When a political figure decides to create a law against illegal immigration The Hispanic community cry's foul. When politicians talk of immigration reform "they" cry foul. When it requires a ID for voting they cry foul yet criminals have their voting rights striped when they commit a felony and they are Americans. When someone brings up drugs,rape and murder because nobody is paying attention to who is actually coming over the border the Hispanic community crys foul. When the topic of viruses and diseases is brought up they cry foul. When Identity theft is brought up they cry foul yet illegal immigration causes identity theft.

Illegal immigration topics that are needed to be discussed honestly.
Who are we letting in? PS only 5% of illegal immigrants are farm workers
Voter ID laws make sense stop the BS non sense about racism, In my state you have to have an ID on you at all times period and can be fined for not having it and I'm a citizen! PS my state has many sanctuary cities for illegal immigrants!
The obvious real danger in infectious diseases coming over the border without a way to track the person down.
Identity Theft and fraud.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

Its simply cost and practicality.

The USA is sitting on 18 trillion debt and a semi stagnant economy.

Building big giants walls and establishing MORE alphabet agency is not going to help that just drive up your debt more.

Sure the ones illegally breaking into country SHOULD be punished. It just not practical without wasting billion or even trillions more dollars.


It much more easy and cheaper just to go direct for the source of the problem and that's the easily defrauded welfare and businesses
employing illegal employment practices.


No wonder trump has had 3 business go bankrupt if his idea of fixing a problem is going about in the most expensive least effective way.

a reply to: Nyiah

You stop it by punishing those who employ them, or in the event of repeat offenders, yanking their business license & shutting them down permanently

Right...Take on the National Chamber of Commerce and their lobbyist that tell Congress what laws to pass concerning illegals and immigration and their hiring practices.

Illegals and low wages is capitalism at it's finest. Stock holders want profits and cheap labor is a means to that end.
It's the American way of doing business and it's not going to change. All this crybaby whine fest is an exercise in futility.

www.theatlantic.com...

a reply to: Nyiah

What needs tweeking in the COTUS or the Bill of Rights? I know! How about an amendment stating they must "swear to uphold and protect...." Oh wait! Nevermind. They can't even do that right.

originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Nyiah

I can agree that those hiring illegals are also a problem, but I can't understand why you put no blame on the people who are breaking the law and coming here illegally to take those jobs.

If I have illicit drugs and I offer them to people for free, those who take them are not free of any guilt. I am guilty and so are they and both deserve to be handled within the law.

It feels like some really want to deflect ALL the blame on those doing the hiring and treat those here illegally as victims.

Would it not be common sense to surmise that if a business is shuttered for employing illegals, that those illegal employees would be caught & deported? An easy method of achieving this would be to appear during operating hours to take care of both ends at once, same day. It falls in to the "Papers, please" bucket, but really is a simple method. The business is being shut down for employing illegals, thus it should be a no-brainer that proving you're legal is a prerequisite to leaving the property. Although I'm not opposed to a better idea if someone has one, there very well could be something even easier all around that I haven't considered.

Nowhere did I suggest illegals should get a pass. I went after the obvious draw for them that needs removed. The less draws there are, the less appealing the trek here is. People will still come illegally if they're desperate enough, but making the work lures next to non-existent will help tremendously.

a reply to: crazyewok

Makes sense, but which candidate is talking about doing this?

What I hear is either Amnesty or Deportation.

If the choice is between the two then I'm in the deportation camp.

Either way your disenfranchising a huge group of people and it's a lose/lose.

Just comes down to which group of people you want to screw over the least.

a reply to: crazyewok

The "agencies" are in place. They're just to busy harassing Americans. To do thier jobs effectively.

a reply to: Nyiah

I fail to see how this is very different from Trump's Deportation Task Force 2016.

In all honesty you should send this idea to him because I agree it's a great way to take care of both the Illegals and those hiring them in on fell swoop.

Stars for you, appreciate the response

a reply to: murphy22

You say this, but the numbers say otherwise.

U.S. deportations of immigrants reach record high in 2013

It's common knowledge that Obama has deported more illegals than any other President. He certainly beat's Bus h's numbers.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Man I can just imagine it now.

In typical American Alphabet agency soup fashion.

Once your CIA,NSA,FBI,ATF, Local PD, DEA,TSA ect take the "cream" of your crop what brain dead vegetable will be left to fill the roles of this new agency?

Trump Immigration : "duhhhhh I'm Officer Immigration! derp derp I erm here to take you Mexicans back home derp derp."

Mexicans: " Senor why are you driving us north"

Trump Immigration "duhhhh cause Mexicans are from Canada derp derp"

Trump Immigration Task Squad it can just be abbreviated as 'TITS'

a reply to: windword

Sorry but that is ridiculous.


What happens when billions of people decide to "settle down" in beautiful Hawaii...


No border control means overcrowding.

What about when an extra 50million or so decide New York is the place to be?
Do we extend NY's borders to fit them all in?


If there are limits who sets them?
And how is that different from how it already is?





On topic.
Trump is a gimp of the highest order.
With insidious plans that mimic that of a fascist.



Grant asylum to non criminal illegals.
Deport criminal illegals.


You have no idea why any illegal chose the route they did, Trump.

Maybe they didn't have a choice in the matter.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: Bennyzilla

I never said scoop people up, put them on trains and send them back. That must be something you picked up from somewhere else.

NOBODY has said this. This what the far left wing propaganda is saying.

Randy said it about 1 page ago.

You're lying, which is against T&Cs I hope you know.