Donald Trump: We Will Have a ‘Deportation Force’

A very large number will self deport. The first thing to make this work is you have to make it painful to be here illegally for both the illegal alien as well as the businesses that hire them. Given technology today, this is entirely possible. We just won't do it because the politicians are catering to the big business.

For those that then don't get the message, we definitely need to send them back. I don't advocate going door to door gestapo like, but when an illegal is caught, they need to be sent back immediately unless they have committed a crime that warrants a jail term.

A country cannot exist without enforced borders. PERIOD. No one is against immigration. People are against ILLEGAL immigration. Get in line and apply like everyone else.

a reply to: introvert

If criminals didn't have rights then why must the police read them their rights upon arrest?

Their seems to be a detour in your thought process.
Wrong! Criminality is determined by the courts. Innocent until
proven guilty is why those rights supposedly, remain intact.
Altho even that is often arguable. Once guilt is determined
then you're a criminal and ward of the state. I don't believe
any inmates would agree with you. So bandage up your bleeding
heart and save it. You're gonna need it most likely.

a reply to: Edumakated

Exactly. There is no touchy-feely pull-on-heartstrings required. We have a system set up - people are ILLEGALLY not following that system. Those people deserve to be removed.

If they want to come back the right way after that, great, welcome to America.

Yes they all have a right to due process, but it's pretty quick due process in my opinion. Are they legal? No? Easy peasy, we're done here. Due process given, they broke the law.

a reply to: Edumakated

I hope you know that doing this would likely destroy what little remains of our agricultural base in the country.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Which country do YOU live in? Because in the United States, we have this thing called "innocent until proven guilty". Oh, and the Fifth Amendment.

Oh what are you gonna do Einstien put every illegal immigrant into
the court system? Instead of court appointed field justices that can
assertain guilt immediately? On a bus gone!

a reply to: Bennyzilla

Sure.

The only thing holding you back is to convince the other some-odd 319 million Americans that we should let you (or Trump) decide who's guilty and not guilty of crime.

Or perhaps the 77% that aren't Republicans because you guys seem committed to your anti-American ignorance on a massive scale.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated

I hope you know that doing this would likely destroy what little remains of our agricultural base in the country.

Now Krazy, don't go inserting actual facts into the discussion.

This is all about fake machismo and "takin care of bidness" ...

I amend. Some here are not hypocrites, they're fascists.

a reply to: randyvs

Blah blah blah none of the above applys to criminals. Whether or
not you're a citizen.

You can't be serious?

a reply to: randyvs

Oh what are you gonna do Einstien put every illegal immigrant into
the court system? Instead of court appointed field justices that can
assertain guilt immediately. On a bus gone!

You have to know by now that I am a pretty fierce opponent of illegal immigration. That said:

Have you considered the idea that maybe there isn't really anything we CAN do about them legally? I think, in this case, we should focus our energy into deporting the real criminals, and providing a set of standards for the rest to remain.

We don't abandon the Constitution, or pick it apart like a menu because we find due process inconvenient. You either do it the right way, or you find other means to alleviate the situation, but you do not advocate for abrogating the rights of the people. NO MATTER WHO THOSE PEOPLE MAY BE.

a reply to: anon72

You do know we already have both a 'deportation force' and walls and we still have the issue of illegal immigration right? Trump needs to turn his attention to the companies employing them. That is what brings the people over, and until we do something about that nothing will change. Reform the process is the answer, not wasting money doing things we already do.

a reply to: projectvxn

See I can agree with you here, this is a good idea.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated

I hope you know that doing this would likely destroy what little remains of our agricultural base in the country.

Destroy it how? There are plenty of people who will do the work who are here legally. If the illegal immigrants still want to do the work, they can apply to come here legally to do so.

I find it odd that you progressives love to talk about minimum wage, etc but then at the same time support bringing in low skilled immigrants which puts even further pressure on wages for these menial jobs. Which one is it? If you choke off the supply of this cheap labor, the agriculture business will then need to raise wages to attract legal workers.

If someone wants to immigrate to America, I am all for it. However, we have a legal immigration system that is already setup. Is it perfect? No. However, we cannot just have open borders for all. We simply cannot afford it and it isn't secure.

a reply to: Bennyzilla

Who cares if you like me? Please don't; that might make me doubt my character.

... and brother (or sister) you're the last one that needs to talk about "trolling" here.

I'm not "acting" like anything. You're advocating to throw away due process and the rule of law.

Feelings are indeed irrelevant - justice is relevant; you would do well to heed your own advice.

Name calling? LOL. Read your first line and get back to me.

a reply to: projectvxn

I see no limitations on fierceness in this forum and I'm not
even close to intimidated. So by all means be as fiece as you
want about being ass backwards.

All we can do is lay down and take it? Sorry pal, I just don't
get where you're coming from if you think you're all that and
a bag of doritos.

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: introvert

If criminals didn't have rights then why must the police read them their rights upon arrest?

Their seems to be a detour in your thought process.
Wrong! Criminality is determined by the courts. Innocent until
proven guilty is why those rights supposedly, remain intact.
Altho even that is often arguable. Once guilt is determined
then you're a criminal and ward of the state. I don't believe
any inmates would agree with you. So bandage up your bleeding
heart and save it. You're gonna need it most likely.

Honestly, I'm having a hard understanding what that even means.

a reply to: introvert

I believe it's called babbling in defense of an indefensible point.

We see here very clearly who is and who isn't on the side of our Constitution and the rule of law.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Where's your confusion on the due process involved here?? I'm just trying to understand how you think allowing people who came here illegally to receive benefits before others who came here legally who may not yet be receiving those same benefits is justice?

I explained the due process. It's not hard, but for some reason you want to make it seem more complicated than it is. I'm about to make an assumption so were both about to be asses, but it seems like you feel for these illegal immigrants and their situation and you want to help them. That's admirable and I respect your altruism. That said, your good intentions do not free illegal immigrants from following the law of the land.

I would love to hear your thoughts in regards to that and not about me personally, this isn't about you or me and I apologize for calling you a troll, no need to stoop to that level. We could both learn that lesson.

a reply to: anon72

Simply treat people that are in our country illegally as 'foreign invaders'. In my opinion that is what they are and should be subject to the same due process that would be given a prisoner of war.