Donald Trump: We Will Have a ‘Deportation Force’

a reply to: randyvs

And I can't believe how many people want to treat them as sub human just for wanting a better life for themselves and thier families. I think we need to reform our process so they don't have to resort to breaking the law. But not going to act like they are the gum under my shoe because they did.

a reply to: Sremmos80

These same people will scream and shout about how the Constitution isn't being followed.

They, like so many I take issue with, think it's a damned menu.

We already have ICE, we already have laws, we already have a border and border patrol.

How about a little increased funding and leadership and direction for all of that first.

a reply to: amazing

We also have courts who exist only to deal with immigration laws.

As a guy who has only been a citizen 4 years or so, I am intimately aware of how immigration laws work(or how they're supposed to work), and see where we have short comings.

It is not to say that I think we need blanket amnesty. But rounding up millions of people is expensive, destructive, and could very well be dangerous.

Over the last 15 years I have seen the tools used against foreign threats turned inward by ever expanding government powers. This includes immigration policy.

We need to be extremely careful what we do.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So......knowing nothing is going to change, why do the MODS continue to allow these utterly pointless threads?
Why don't they just shut them off by referring to a previously entirely pointless immigration thread from the beginning of time and put an end to this endless stupid bickering over something that's never going to change?

a reply to: anon72

Trump is deluding himself if he thinks he can do this without causing untold suffering, particularly for the children.


….And the only way to do this as he says is by some kind of Gestapo-like force and how you make that “humane” is beyond me.


I use to like Trump a little bit but now realize I like him somewhat only in relationship to the other horrible choices in the GOP group of crazies

There ALL inhumane madmen and woman maybe except Kasich somewhat

a reply to: TonyS

I do not know the answer to that question. Though if they started consolidating threads like you are suggesting, they'd have to shut down a lot more than just all the immigration threads. After all is said and done, we'd probably have like 5 or so threads of people arguing the same infinite arguments with no new threads ever.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't know about that; there's plenty of new threads. I'm reading one now about mysterious black objects falling from the sky in Spain. Looks like a giant hairball. Maybe a Space Cat upchucked in orbit?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Edumakated

I hope you know that doing this would likely destroy what little remains of our agricultural base in the country.

Destroy it how? There are plenty of people who will do the work who are here legally. If the illegal immigrants still want to do the work, they can apply to come here legally to do so.

Just because you say that this is true, doesn't make it so.

Georgia's Harsh Immigration Law Costs Millions in Unharvested Crops

After enacting House Bill 87, a law designed to drive illegal immigrants out of Georgia, state officials appear shocked to discover that HB 87 is, well, driving a lot of illegal immigrants out of Georgia...

Thanks to the resulting labor shortage, Georgia farmers have been forced to leave millions of dollars' worth of blueberries, onions, melons and other crops unharvested and rotting in the fields. It has also put state officials into something of a panic at the damage they've done to Georgia's largest industry....

The results of that investigation have now been released. According to survey of 230 Georgia farmers conducted by Agriculture Commissioner Gary Black, farmers expect to need more than 11,000 workers at some point over the rest of the season, a number that probably underestimates the real need, since not every farmer in the state responded to the survey.

All of this is to say if you're going to stop illegal immigrants from doing a job you should be prepared for the job, and perhaps even the business itself, to go away. You may think this is worth it, but you should at least be acknowledging the risks and weigh them against what, if anything, you think is being gained.

I find it odd that you progressives love to talk about minimum wage, etc but then at the same time support bringing in low skilled immigrants which puts even further pressure on wages for these menial jobs. Which one is it? If you choke off the supply of this cheap labor, the agriculture business will then need to raise wages to attract legal workers.

I don't support "bringing in low skilled immigrants". I support not treating these people that are living within our borders like animals. An unpleasant reality that we have to deal with is that there ARE industries in our country that rely completely on illegal immigrants and those industries WILL go bankrupt without them. Until we can fix that problem adequately, instituting a labor supply shock into the system isn't going to make things easier for us in the long run.

I'm not FOR employing illegal immigrants; but if we don't want to rely on them anymore, we need to do something to support all the industries that rely on them when we throw them out. I'm pretty sure you don't want to see our agricultural base disappear in this country right?

If someone wants to immigrate to America, I am all for it. However, we have a legal immigration system that is already setup. Is it perfect? No. However, we cannot just have open borders for all. We simply cannot afford it and it isn't secure.

It's interesting that people such as yourself tout this rhetoric, but I see very few of you calling for comprehensive immigration reform for the immigration process being too costly, time consuming, and tedious for the people trying to immigrate here. Whenever I see your camp talking about immigration reform, it's always to try to throw people out of the country, not try to make the legal process easier for everyone.

Their labor shortage is because the farmers don't want to raise prices to hire legal workers. While I am all for free markets, I don't think businesses should be hiring illegals to do work. As I plainly stated, if immigrants are dying to come here to do the work, they can do it legally. I have no issue with seasonal visas, etc. I find it odd progressives are now trying to justify exploitation of workers.

I'm all for reform of the LEGAL immigration process. However, that is not the topic. Just because you don't like the process as it stands doesn't mean you get to skip the line. I think the current immigration process like much of our government is a bureaucratic fustercluck, but it is what it is until it is changed. At the end of the day though, the LEGAL immigration process is a totally different issue than illegal immigration.

Where did I say treat anyone like an animal? You are in the country illegally. PERIOD. You are not supposed to be here. Our limited resources cannot afford to take care of every Tom, Dick, and Juan that wants to come here. We either have borders or we don't.

If burglar breaks into your home without your permission and raids your fridge, do you care that he did it because he is hungry? NO. The fact the burglar is hungry is irrelevant to whether or not he was supposed to be in your home.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: introvert

In words my dog can understand.

Criminals don't have rights.

The very basis of our justice system is due process, and innocent until proven guilty.

Unless you get killed during that process because the officer thought your Mountain Dew was a gun, or you didn't drop and give them forty quickly enough, or die from head trauma from your inadequate compliance thumping. Then you are guilty before even having charges filed against you. You will then be proven, after the fact, to be dead guilty and your killers will be decorated as heroes.

I think the part of this equation that people need to take a good look at, is why so many usually sane and rational people, suddenly jumping on the Trump bandwagon.

I have heard the cries of the working poor and their feelings of betrayal from their government in favor of the illegal immigrant. Like here, many of those cries come from the immigrants that came here using the legal process. Even they are saying there is no incentive to go the legal route when the legal immigrants are being ignored to provide for the illegals.

When things are so bad in this country, that Trump is even being considered as a viable candidate, then I think we have much bigger problems then most can even fathom. People are just sticking their heads in the sand, praying that they will get their asses kicked instead of their heads chopped off.

Of course in that position, it could go either way, but they are assured that heads or tails, they won't see it coming.

All you have to do is put a tax on money transfer to mexico.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't know about that; there's plenty of new threads. I'm reading one now about mysterious black objects falling from the sky in Spain. Looks like a giant hairball. Maybe a Space Cat upchucked in orbit?

Ok, we'd still get some new ones; I was being a bit sensational with my words there.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: anon72

Stop acting like they should be afforded the same rights as legal US citizens.

They do have the same rights. The Constitution covers everyone in America whether they are a citizen or not.

When you break the law and enter illegally you have the RIGHT to be deported. Why fight for the rights of illegals? They're the only group of lawbreakers that have marches and rallies. You don't see bank robbers and murderers marching and rallying. Why are illegal immigrants different from any other criminals? Bank robbers steal to feed their families, murderers murder to support their loved one. Behind every crime is a story...illegal immigrants have a great story, they may even be decent people, no matter. Their presence disrupts the economy.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Their labor shortage is because the farmers don't want to raise prices to hire legal workers. While I am all for free markets, I don't think businesses should be hiring illegals to do work. As I plainly stated, if immigrants are dying to come here to do the work, they can do it legally. I have no issue with seasonal visas, etc. I find it odd progressives are now trying to justify exploitation of workers.

I find it odd that you are saying this after I just got done telling you that isn't the case.

I'm all for reform of the LEGAL immigration process. However, that is not the topic. Just because you don't like the process as it stands doesn't mean you get to skip the line. I think the current immigration process like much of our government is a bureaucratic fustercluck, but it is what it is until it is changed. At the end of the day though, the LEGAL immigration process is a totally different issue than illegal immigration.

Well if you want to actually FIX the illegal immigration process, then part of that is fixing the legal immigration process. Otherwise you are just implementing a band-aid, but you certainly aren't doing anything to stem the tide of illegals crossing the boarder.

Where did I say treat anyone like an animal? You are in the country illegally. PERIOD. You are not supposed to be here. Our limited resources cannot afford to take care of every Tom, Dick, and Juan that wants to come here. We either have borders or we don't.

Irrelevant. These people still have rights as humans. So these rights must be respected.

Trump just says stuff. He does not even know what he is saying later on and then denies it. I do not think knows anything about how laws work, the Constitution etc. Just get a bunch of guys with guns and go door to door looking for illegals. That is a great idea, ignore the fact that it breaks more laws than can be counted. Trump has a history of illegals workers and says he can not even eliminate them from his own company. How is going to hunt them all down and build some massive trillion dollar wall, then of course we will need walls on the coast because people will just hire boats. Not to mention the dirty little secret that illegals are the back bone of our economy.

Excuse me but as an AMERICAN I think my RIGHTS TRUMP an ILLEGALS rights by a long shot.

originally posted by: mikell
Excuse me but as an AMERICAN I think my RIGHTS TRUMP an ILLEGALS rights by a long shot.

Excuse me, but as an American you should know that our Constitution SPECIFICALLY says that no one person's rights trump any other person's rights.

a reply to: mikell

Did god give you the better rights and everyone else the bad ones?

I mean they are god given right? Why would God care about where you were born....

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Edumakated
Their labor shortage is because the farmers don't want to raise prices to hire legal workers. While I am all for free markets, I don't think businesses should be hiring illegals to do work. As I plainly stated, if immigrants are dying to come here to do the work, they can do it legally. I have no issue with seasonal visas, etc. I find it odd progressives are now trying to justify exploitation of workers.

I find it odd that you are saying this after I just got done telling you that isn't the case.

I'm all for reform of the LEGAL immigration process. However, that is not the topic. Just because you don't like the process as it stands doesn't mean you get to skip the line. I think the current immigration process like much of our government is a bureaucratic fustercluck, but it is what it is until it is changed. At the end of the day though, the LEGAL immigration process is a totally different issue than illegal immigration.

Well if you want to actually FIX the illegal immigration process, then part of that is fixing the legal immigration process. Otherwise you are just implementing a band-aid, but you certainly aren't doing anything to stem the tide of illegals crossing the boarder.

Where did I say treat anyone like an animal? You are in the country illegally. PERIOD. You are not supposed to be here. Our limited resources cannot afford to take care of every Tom, Dick, and Juan that wants to come here. We either have borders or we don't.

Irrelevant. These people still have rights as humans. So these rights must be respected.

1) If a business's entire model is based on hiring poorly paid illegal immigrants and all of a sudden they can't hire these people anymore, of course their business is going to suffer. However, basic laws of supply and demand dictate that if your supply of workers dwindles, then you will need to raise your wages till that equilibrium is found. Your article made no mention of higher wages being offered, just that the change in law ran off all the illegals and farmers will not prepared for the change.

In fact, if you read the article, it basically says what I said. Wages have to go up along with prices. The actual problem though as stated near the end of the article is that the GA farmers are competing against farmers in other states who aren't forced to hire legal immigrants. In summary, the entire industry is not competing on an equal playing field where some can hire illegals and others can't.

In the case of agriculture, where one farmers crops are usually very comparable with another farmers, the market will be highly competitive and the demand curve will be flat. This problem is even more exacerbated when the demand is for Georgia farmers in particular, since retailers who buy their products can shift to farmers in competing states.

Fixing illegal immigration has nothing to do with fixing the legal immigration process. For many people, it is simple. Secure the god damn border. Once that occurs, then we can move on and talk about how to make the legal immigration process better. The fact that illegal immigrants from Mexico are flocking to the US has nothing to do with why it takes years for a green card. Two entirely unrelated issues.

Being treated humanely does not mean allowing an illegal immigrant to stay in the country.