The Fox News 'War On Christmas' Panic Is Already Starting

a reply to: deadeyedick

What is next on the list that must be removed and things I can not do?

Well, I see what you're saying, but what are these things you can't do?

~Tenth

a reply to: deadeyedick

If the left has their way then all Christmas and other holidays of their choosing totally removed from society.

No just put in it's place namely in the church and home not in schools or other places where people don't want your religion.

After the current battle I can just here them coming after Christmas next by stopping stores from selling items.

With as money as stores make from Christmas sales it will never happen.

They will claim it is perfectly legal for them to stop such because said store got gov. funds or they make some mundane connection to the gov. and then extend the old phrase separation of... The whole time they would claim the constitution and how the holyday is hurting them and society has changed.

Now you are just making up nonsense.

a reply to: buster2010

No just put in it's place namely in the church and home not in schools or other places where people don't want your religion.

That is what is said but there are other ways of removing Christmas also.

Many battles have already been fought to remove scenes from individual churches and homes and somehow all rights of home owners and churches have to bow to the public eye.

If the only threat was from government and school then this would not be an issue but the truth is there is no end in sight for the haters.

They want it gone completely and are the loudest in the group.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: deadeyedick

I like Thanksgiving better than Christmas. I also like New Years better than Christmas as well. Actually, now that I think about it Christmas is one of my least favorite holidays. It's too stressful of a time of year. Running around making sure you've bought all your Christmas gifts, dealing with holiday shoppers and drivers, and as said on page 1 of this thread the music. The day itself is nice. Spending time with family is always nice, but to me, Christmas is the entire month of December leading up to the 25th as well, and that whole experience sours my perception of it.

I sometimes wish that Christmas was just another Thanksgiving. A day where family can get together and eat a lot of food while not worrying about gift giving.

Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday, there's no real pretense to it. You go visit with people you presumably like and eat a massive delicious meal, and usually have leftovers for days. I don't understand how it's not someones favorite holiday (unless you're the lone person cooking the meal that is, but cooking together can be fun too). For those who like football you even get to have a giant football party watching the game with all your friends. It's pretty much the perfect holiday and it even has some cultural significance without religious overtones.

Christmas is full of annoying music, hostile crowds, heavy traffic, expectation of gifts, and just way too much stress.

Your wish is precisely how I treat Christmas complete with no gifts, but the rest of society doesn't really go along with that so any time I go out in public I'm reminded of the abomination known as our Christmas celebration. I'm torn if I would get my children gifts on Christmas if I had any.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Many battles have already been fought to remove scenes from individual churches and homes and somehow all rights of home owners and churches have to bow to the public eye.

Do you have sources for that?

I find it hard to believe that any church was forced to remove a display, or a home owner for that matter.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I actually like most Christmas music.

Like ABBA it mostly has a happy vibe. What's wrong with feeling happy?

And I totally enjoy Christmas. The stress stuff I dumped years ago.

The kids can request one big present. Doesn't mean they'll get it. Demanding will get you nothing.

originally posted by: dawnstar

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: MystikMushroom

Yes there are attacks.

It is a long drawn out war against two groups that have been fighting for eons.

If the left has their way then all Christmas and other holidays of their choosing totally removed from society.

After the current battle I can just here them coming after Christmas next by stopping stores from selling items.

They will claim it is perfectly legal for them to stop such because said store got gov. funds or they make some mundane connection to the gov. and then extend the old phrase separation of... The whole time they would claim the constitution and how the holyday is hurting them and society has changed.

???? this wasn't intended to be humorous???
I would hope it would be since the other alternative is that it's probably one of the unrealistic things I've read on ATS in a long time....

The left get into christmas, heck they even go to church. Even those who aren't religious usually spend the money for a christmas tree and dress it up all nice and pretty. They buy gifts for one another, and spend so much money during the holiday season that the gov't would in no way interfer with the corporate profits, and the sales tax revenues and quite frankly, all those shoppers give the unemployment numbers a more pleasant outlook and enables them to proclaim a wonderful healthy economy, at least for a few months during the year.....

my god, I can't go more than a couple miles in any direction from my house without passing a few churches. and, they seem to have no qualms about knocking on my door at least once a month (even though I've angrily informed them that by causing me to walk all those unnecessary steps to the front door they are causing me pain), to drop off leaflets, or invite the kids that are adult and no longer live with me to church, or whatever! they can buy out hospitals, and turn them into religiously affiliated hospitals and then proceed to refuse them the basic medical procedures that would be considered the most acceptable and safest practices to women. they can get federal dollars while still discriminating against those who do not share in their beliefs in their hiring practices.

only in some christians minds is there a war on christianity!!

In my lifetime I have seen it change from Christmas to Xmas to Winter Holiday. Christians aren't the ones driving those changes. When I was young we used to bring Christmas cards to school and give them to each other, and to our teachers. We had school plays and sang Christmas carols. Every classroom had a Christmas tree in it. Not every student was Christian but they didn't have to be. No one tried to convert them. They enjoyed the gift giving and the time off school just as much as we did. We also said the pledge of allegiance every morning, facing the flag, with our hand on our heart, and we meant it. It didn't divide us, it brought us together.

Despite numerous attempts to stop it, the pledge of allegiance is still allowed in public schools, including the phrase "under God". The courts have decided that the phrase is a patriotic statement, not an affirmation of any religion. But some people are still trying. And they will not stop until they get what they want. Which means taking something away from someone else. And they don't see anything wrong with that...

a reply to: Annee

I used to enjoy listening to Christmas carols. I even joined in during family gatherings... it was fun and everyone knew the words, even the little kids. But that was back when Christmas was a 'family thing'. Yeah, I'm that old.

But now I hear them being blasted away in every mall and store I go into and it's soured any enjoyment I had left for them. Singing along in a Walmart just doesn't cut it for me.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: deadeyedick

What is next on the list that must be removed and things I can not do?

Well, I see what you're saying, but what are these things you can't do?

~Tenth

It is a give and take.

Well I like to smoke in public for one thing.

I was thinking about damming up a local creek but recently they listed the creek as being a recreational waterway so now I can not even dig a hole because of federal law.

How about feeding the homeless? I hear the courts now frown upon it.

We are constantly being attacked and if not for standing up for our culture then we will lose it.

It is normal for someone who feels victimized to stand up but if their victimhood stems from the majority of the country then should we really lose our culture because of a small group will always have grievances.

Grievances will steadily roll in and we can not just change on a whim of a few.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: buster2010

No just put in it's place namely in the church and home not in schools or other places where people don't want your religion.

That is what is said but there are other ways of removing Christmas also.

Many battles have already been fought to remove scenes from individual churches and homes and somehow all rights of home owners and churches have to bow to the public eye.

If the only threat was from government and school then this would not be an issue but the truth is there is no end in sight for the haters.

They want it gone completely and are the loudest in the group.

No offense, but I believe you may be making things up as you go along.

Are you a Christian? If so, are you really that paranoid that people are out to get Christians?

I don't think so. There has been some backlash from people that are tired of having pompous Christians shove their beliefs down our throats, but most of us really don't care about the issue enough to pay much attention to it.

So just relax. You keep your religion in your home, church and wherever else you want, but keep it out of the public square, and we will not come hunt you down and steal your Christianity.

If I wanted, I could claim there is a "War on Subaru Cars" -- people like Sarah Palin and other GOP-types have misrepresented and stereotyped my car of choice. I can feel like a victim because other people don't like my car of choice.

I don't car what ya'll think. I love my Subaru.

And if there's a "War on Christmas" -- they're sure fighting back. Halloween isn't even here and they are already starting to stock Christmas items at the local big box stores.

originally posted by: masqua
a reply to: Annee

I used to enjoy listening to Christmas carols. I even joined in during family gatherings... it was fun and everyone knew the words, even the little kids. But that was back when Christmas was a 'family thing'. Yeah, I'm that old.

But now I hear them being blasted away in every mall and store I go into and it's soured any enjoyment I had left for them. Singing along in a Walmart just doesn't cut it for me.

Hey! I'm 69.

I pick and choose. I do what makes me happy.

It's been ages since I let anything or anyone dictate my surroundings or experiences.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Well I like to smoke in public for one thing.

So do I, but my rights to do so end where somebody else's health is concerned..

I was thinking about damming up a local creek but recently they listed the creek as being a recreational waterway so now I can not even dig a hole because of federal law.

I don't see how that's a thing you could have done anyway unless you owned the property...

How about feeding the homeless? I hear the courts now frown upon it.

That one I'll give you.

We are constantly being attacked and if not for standing up for our culture then we will lose it.

Those have nothing to do with any one culture however. I asked what were the things you could not do, in relation to being a Christian and Christmas. I suppose I wasn't very clear in my line of questioning though.

~Tenth

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: deadeyedick

Many battles have already been fought to remove scenes from individual churches and homes and somehow all rights of home owners and churches have to bow to the public eye.

Do you have sources for that?

I find it hard to believe that any church was forced to remove a display, or a home owner for that matter.

There are several cases where the home owners ass. have restrictions as well as the fact that many churches front porch is a city street. I have not found any successful attempts but the challenge for churches to move scenes has been made several times.

Now be completely honest here.
What will stop the gov. from stepping in and making any changes they want citing 501 deduction? To do such is only one small law away. if that

a reply to: tothetenthpower

So do I, but my rights to do so end where somebody else's health is concerned..

We did not lose the right to blow smoke in someones face. We lost the right to smoke many places regardless of others being affected or not.

They went so far as to remove smoking areas too. That is not protecting anyone that is persecuting smokers.

They could have just made it illegal to harm others with direct smoke.

originally posted by: Annee



Hey! I'm 69.

So am I. Just turned that age on the 10th.

I pick and choose. I do what makes me happy.

It's been ages since I let anything or anyone dictate my surroundings or experiences.

Same here. I do as I like and listening to Christmas carols in a Walmart or any other store I go into for shopping is a bit much. It's like anything else... you get literally assaulted by Jingle Bells a hundred times over 3 months and it starts to set my teeth on edge.

a reply to: deadeyedick

Now be completely honest here.

And I'm not trying to be intellectually dishonest here, I know there are militant type atheists who love nothing better than to screw over a religious group every chance they get. Which is the same on either side I suppose.

I've seen a few cases for home owners loosing that fight, but mostly it was due to the intensity (brightness) and the loud noise coming from the display. And I think it was all settled through home owners associations that have all these stupid rules like your grass has to be a certain height you get evicted.

I don't think that most of those cases are the result of secularists though, just uppity suburb morons. Obviously there's those few that certainly were from secular groups and I would stand there with you and tell them they are being idiots too.

A 501 deduction does certainly come with it's fair share of strings attached, but the government isn't filled to the brim with secularists either though and hasn't been ever really.

~Tenth

You guys are being intentionally diverted by this contrived 'War on Christmas' to distract you from the real problem.

Confederate flags.

I'm at war with Christmas, why? It comes earlier every year. Music stations get hijacked, it starts showing up in stores with it's annoying jingles earlier and earlier, and it's even having Christmas stuff showing up BEFORE holidays that come before it.

Christmas isn't even about Christ anyway at this point, it's about consumerism. A real Christian celebration has nothing to do with all this pagan crap anyway. If you're celebrating Christ's birthday what's elves, a fat man in a red suit and a bunch of reindeer have to do with it?

Honestly you Christians should be ashamed of yourselves for what you've allowed the holiday that's supposed to be celebrating the birth of the most important figure in your religion to become.

So yes, please keep fighting to blaspheme your religion and corrupt it into some sick twisted consumerist perversion. If you really care about Christmas, take it home and clean the damn thing up.