Abortion and Responsibilties That Follow

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm just fed up with you pro-death fans taking some sort of sick moral high ground with your weak justifications.

I'm just calling it as I see it.

You obviously support slavery and murder of innocent beings.

Embrace it.

Wear a stinking t-shirt that says it.

I don't care.

But I won't be PC around you pro-slavery, pro-murder folks any longer.

Fine I support slavery and murder. Can we move on to the actual topic at hand now that I have validated your beliefs? How can we all come together to reduce abortions? Banning isn't the answer, and personal responsibility isn't good enough.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: beezzer

Dude just agree to disagree then.
No point falling out eh?.
Also no point getting so mad dude take a break or have a brew.
We still love you.

Not a f###ing chance.

I'm sick and tired of the pro-death crowd thinking they have some sort of sick moral high ground because murder is justified.

I'll probably have to walk this off though.

Some posters have disgusted me.

a reply to: beezzer

Ok no point conversing with you in this state.
Take care fella.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The answer is the answer to many of the worlds problems.
Education.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer

Well in that case, as a cold-hearted, murderous, unfeeling slaver, would I even be FIT to adopt children in your world?

After all, I'll just indoctrinate them in my nefarious slave-owning, serial killer ways.

I don't care.

I can't obviously change your mind.

You seem quite comfortable supporting slavery and murder of unborn children.

So a woman is raped. Violently.

She becomes pregnant due to the rape.

Then complications happen, and she learns that she can have the baby and die as a result, or abort the baby and live.

Should she be forced by the state to die having a rapist's baby?

Who then is the slave in that scenario? A woman who can't even decide what to do with her own body is a slave. A fetus is a slave like a phone is a bicycle.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The answer is the answer to many of the worlds problems.
Education.

Oh I know this. It would just be nice if we could get beez to admit this, instead he's gone off the deep end with his bizarre comparison of abortion to slavery.

originally posted by: Realtruth
How about the care of the people that are actually living and were not aborted? US veterans, street people, mentally ill, and the elderly with little money. Are these people cared for properly?

No. But, it is within our ability to care for these folks. When we and the folks we send to Washington learn to fix our problems before we try to fix the rest of the world's, we will be better prepared to help others.

Caring for someone financially and time wise is a major undertaking and responsibility, and this is just one person. For at least 18 years, then college, unaborted children will need someone to support them. Is that someone you?

So if abortion is wrong are the people that strongly oppose it willing to give up 30 to 40% of their wages, and donated 20 hours a week to nurture, support, and care for children that are not aborted?

I'm sure the figures would be much higher, but that is a reasonable number.

Better yet to the strong advocates of abortion. Are you willing to take in perhaps 10 or 20 children that are not aborted? or give half or more of the money you make, and time to nurture these children?

I really don't think it will take as much as you state to handle the children that are not aborted. There will always be abortions, whether some like it or not. I agree it should be a woman's choice, but it would be wonderful if the father were involved as well. Make him "man up" and be responsible. He is just as responsible as the woman. If both decide they are willing to go this path, so be it. But, it is the woman's choice to believe him, and choose that path. It is her body.

People will stand moral high grounds until it comes down to finance and time, then they get all quiet and look the other way.

Personally I'm not saying abortion is right or wrong, but people that are against abortion what are you willing to give, or do to support your beliefs?

I'm not against abortion, I wish it was something that didn't have to happen. That said, my wife and I raised 3 children, boasted over our 7 grandchildren, and life was going great. A set of twin boys were introduced to us when they were 1and a half months old. I am 56, and my wife is 52. These boys are now a part of our life forever. We adopted them, and love them as much as our other children.

This scenario happens everyday of the week. We met numerous new parents on our journey through the system, who were just like us. Many who feel it is their duty, some who feel it is just right to help those less fortunate, and many who just want children they could not have. Don't try to generalize. People are more compassionate than you may think

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Banning abortion would makes slaves of women again.
It would be a massive step backwards fir qomankind.
Tbh us men shouldn't have any say on it being legal or anything we can not vomprehend what carrying a child is like.
Let the women sort it out.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I'm truly baffled why conservatives are so hellbent on restricting liberty these days. First the gay marriage issue and now we are talking about abortion rights.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: boymonkey74

I'm truly baffled why conservatives are so hellbent on restricting liberty these days. First the gay marriage issue and now we are talking about abortion rights.

You progressives sure do get butt-hurt when we disagree with you killing innocent lives.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

maybe because they are so entwined with the christian right now? and well, I am sorry but liberty and the religion have always been rather at odds with one another, regardless of what they want to claim..

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Krazysh0t

maybe because they are so entwined with the christian right now? and well, I am sorry but liberty and the religion have always been rather at odds with one another, regardless of what they want to claim..

When have I once used Christianity as a defense to you pro-death, pro-slavery folks?

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: boymonkey74

I'm truly baffled why conservatives are so hellbent on restricting liberty these days. First the gay marriage issue and now we are talking about abortion rights.

You progressives sure do get butt-hurt when we disagree with you killing innocent lives.

I haven't killed anyone. I haven't ever gotten a girl pregnant to even FACE that choice let alone having made it. So stay in your firing lane there with your accusations. You still haven't answered why you are suddenly for more authoritarianism as a conservative. Also butt-hurt? I've been giving you every respect I can in this thread as an attempt to come up with a solution we can all agree on yet YOU are the one who seems to be seriously butt-hurt over opposing opinions.

PS: I'm not a progressive, I'm just socially liberal.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: boymonkey74

I'm truly baffled why conservatives are so hellbent on restricting liberty these days. First the gay marriage issue and now we are talking about abortion rights.

You progressives sure do get butt-hurt when we disagree with you killing innocent lives.

I haven't killed anyone. I haven't ever gotten a girl pregnant to even FACE that choice let alone having made it. So stay in your firing lane there with your accusations. You still haven't answered why you are suddenly for more authoritarianism as a conservative.

PS: I'm not a progressive, I'm just socially liberal.

Yeah, right.

You just support the legal killing of innocent lives.

And support slavery.

Typical progressive, actually.

Why am I not surprised.

a reply to: beezzer
if carrying a fetus full term kills the mother, is the fetus still innocent??
just wondering here... if we ban abortion and women start dying because of this action, who do we blame, the unborn or the society who forced her to do something while the medical professionals claimed it was dangerous for her to do. more than likely it will be the same answer as it always is...why the women of course!!!

a reply to: dawnstar

*oh my*

. . . and. . . and if a man saw his wife and his child drowning in a lake and he could save only one, what should he do???



If you want to use this to justify the legal murder of innocent unborn babies and support slavery, then that is your right.

a reply to: beezzer

But banning abortion is slavery towards women.
But like I said we shouldn't be talking about it.
Not our darn business.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: boymonkey74

I'm truly baffled why conservatives are so hellbent on restricting liberty these days. First the gay marriage issue and now we are talking about abortion rights.

You progressives sure do get butt-hurt when we disagree with you killing innocent lives.

I haven't killed anyone. I haven't ever gotten a girl pregnant to even FACE that choice let alone having made it. So stay in your firing lane there with your accusations. You still haven't answered why you are suddenly for more authoritarianism as a conservative.

PS: I'm not a progressive, I'm just socially liberal.

Yeah, right.

You just support the legal killing of innocent lives.

And support slavery.

Typical progressive, actually.

Why am I not surprised.

And you call ME butt-hurt. I don't think there is a single line in this post that isn't outright insulting to me in the ways you are using.

a reply to: beezzer

I wondering if this thread has caused you to have a mental breakdown today.

Asking if you or anyone can come up with a solution that will allow for the unwanted children to be cared for after the forced births has driven you to accuse myself and others of being slavers and murderers.



As I said before if you can present a viable solution that will care for the children after they are born I will change my stance, but until then I will not become anti-choice or a forced birther.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: beezzer

But banning abortion is slavery towards women.
But like I said we shouldn't be talking about it.
Not our darn business.

How is it slavery towards women?

Is pregnancy a spontaneous thing?

It's slavery if you can make life/death decisions without repercussions. Like abortion.