Abortion and Responsibilties That Follow

a reply to: beezzer

ok.
i will laugh it up
thanks for permission my grace

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: beezzer

your solution would be different.
well, how about you tell is what your solution is?
youve only been asked like 17 times.

you said make parents responsible.

how?

thanks

And your solution is murder?

Just wnated to clear up any misconceptions before I start, because you obviously want murder to be the #1 solution.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: grimpachi

once a person is born, you know actually alive, then people tend to not worry about them anymore.
super important when in the womb....nothing but # when youre out though.

hey beezer, can you murder an organism with only 1 cell?
3 cells?

just curious

Laugh all you want, belittle all you want.

Your solution to irresponsible parents and unwanted children is murder.

I know where your moral compass points.

Actually our solution is to allow a choice. We don't have to condone accepting that choice though and can opt to keep the pregnancy if caught in our own unexpected pregnancy situation, but you would have the government dictating our lives to us all so we can add one more child destined to be raised in sub-par living situations. 'MURICA!

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: beezzer

ok.
i will laugh it up
thanks for permission my grace

Sick. Who would want to support and/or murder unborn chioldren.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: grimpachi

once a person is born, you know actually alive, then people tend to not worry about them anymore.
super important when in the womb....nothing but # when youre out though.

hey beezer, can you murder an organism with only 1 cell?
3 cells?

just curious

Laugh all you want, belittle all you want.

Your solution to irresponsible parents and unwanted children is murder.

I know where your moral compass points.

Actually our solution is to allow a choice. We don't have to condone accepting that choice though and can opt to keep the pregnancy if caught in our own unexpected pregnancy situation, but you would have the government dictating our lives to us all so we can add one more child destined to be raised in sub-par living situations. 'MURICA!

So slavery was a "choice"?

Slavery was okay with you?

Having government stop slavery was a bad thing?

Slavery was complete control over another human being. The decision to have them live or die was entirely up to the slave owner.

The slaves were "less than human" so no-one could be charged with murder.

You're no better than a slave owner.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah I know.

While we are at it lets end world hunger.

Simple solution along their line of thought. Just feed them.

Let's end world poverty as well. Simple right?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: ColeYounger

Where does life begin? Does it begin at the precise moment of conception?

Where do we draw the line?

"Male masturbation is murder! Literally BILLIONS of potential children are dying in discarded gym socks every day!"

You determine it a life the same exact way you determine a death - with the heartbeat. Once the heart is beating, it's a life. That's somewhere between 6 and 8 weeks old. Conversely once the heart stops beating, it's a death. There is no gray area. Even if someone is a catatonic vegetable if their heart is beating they are technically alive.

a reply to: beezzer

I see you saying "People need to take responsibility"

That's awesome, I totally agree with that. But then people say "If abortion were outlawed, what would we do with all the unwanted children?"

And you respond with "Not my responsibility!"

Why is that?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer

I see you saying "People need to take responsibility"

That's awesome, I totally agree with that. But then people say "If abortion were outlawed, what would we do with all the unwanted children?"

And you respond with "Not my responsibility!"

Why is that?

Sure, I'll adopt, how many are you pro-slavery, pro-murder folks gonna adopt?

I don't see you all lining up.

It's just on us that are against s;lavery and murder of innocents.

When you gonna pony up, massa?

a reply to: beezzer
you seem to want to give the unborn equal rights with the mother...
but then well, what if there's a conflict with those rights? I've given you a couple examples...
but here's a few more..
does the right of the fetus trump the right of the mother to work to earn a living so she can continue to provide her living children with food and other necessities?
or to not live in constant fear because she believes that doing so will cause her livelong health problems?
does it trump the mother's right to sight?
to having medications that reduce the amount of pain a health issue might be causing her?
if it does then I am sorry, but you are making the mother the slave!

a reply to: beezzer

Ahhh. So being pro-choice also means I'm pro-slavery? Whatever labels you need to attach to me to feel better about yourself, I suppose.

And to be clear, I have already made plans to adopt when I get older, as I don't plan on having any biological children of my own. So there ya go, usagi-kun. I'll probably even adopt two.

a reply to: dawnstar

You're right.

Never mind.

We don't want equal rights. It might be confusing.

Better just keep them slaves and easily murdered.

Be less confusing that way.

originally posted by: beezzer
So slavery was a "choice"?

Slavery was okay with you?

Having government stop slavery was a bad thing?

Slavery was complete control over another human being. The decision to have them live or die was entirely up to the slave owner.

The slaves were "less than human" so no-one could be charged with murder.

You're no better than a slave owner.

Slavery? You are now comparing abortion to slavery? If anyone is a slave in the pregnant woman/fetus situation, it is the mother herself. The fetus growing inside her womb acts as a sort of parasite sucking nutrients from her and forcing her to change her lifestyle to accommodate it. Even -I- find that ridiculous, but hey, I didn't start down this ridiculous concept of comparing abortion to slavery.

You are REALLY reaching now beez. Getting frustrated because people are asking you hard questions to things? You still haven't addressed the authoritarian bit about forcing parents to care for their children or addressed how you are going to make the government even do that to begin with.

You seem to be a fan of just voicing solutions that are easier said than done. That's just lip service. We all know that you don't like abortion and view it as murder, but you haven't put forth any realistic solutions to stop it or end it. As you know from other things we've banned in the past, banning something doesn't work. This has been proven for literally EVERYTHING that has ever been banned. And there is CLEAR data that says that in countries that have made abortion illegal, abortion rates are HIGHER than in countries where it is legal.

So if you want to be taken seriously with your wants, then you are going to have to start actually using your brain to think up real solution and not just repeat the same tired rhetoric we hear in these debates all the time. If you didn't notice yet, this thread was an attempt from the pro-choice group trying to reach out to the pro-life group to come together to find a solution agreeable to ALL parties. Yet all we are hearing from you pro-lifers is why abortion is wrong and that we are all murderers. That isn't helping.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer

Ahhh. So being pro-choice also means I'm pro-slavery? Whatever labels you need to attach to me to feel better about yourself, I suppose.

And to be clear, I have already made plans to adopt when I get older, as I don't plan on having any biological children of my own. So there ya go, usagi-kun. I'll probably even adopt two.

If you are for the rights of one human having life/death decisions over another human with no repercussions, then isn't it obvious that you support slavery?

a reply to: beezzer

Women were used in that system as breeders. Just like now, breed 'em and leave 'em.

a reply to: beezzer

Well in that case, as a cold-hearted, murderous, unfeeling slaver, would I even be FIT to adopt children in your world?

After all, I'll just indoctrinate them in my nefarious slave-owning, serial killer ways.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm just fed up with you pro-death fans taking some sort of sick moral high ground with your weak justifications.

I'm just calling it as I see it.

You obviously support slavery and murder of innocent beings.

Embrace it.

Wear a stinking t-shirt that says it.

I don't care.

But I won't be PC around you pro-slavery, pro-murder folks any longer.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer

Well in that case, as a cold-hearted, murderous, unfeeling slaver, would I even be FIT to adopt children in your world?

After all, I'll just indoctrinate them in my nefarious slave-owning, serial killer ways.

I don't care.

I can't obviously change your mind.

You seem quite comfortable supporting slavery and murder of unborn children.

a reply to: beezzer

gee I wonder, if the law gives the babies equal rights before they are born, are they also willing to pass the ERA and give women equal rights constitutionally, or are they just gonna take it equal rights away from all the girls at a certain age...
what about the churches, will they stop preaching their idea of women being subservient, or are they prepared to take it away from the females upon birth?

a reply to: beezzer

Dude just agree to disagree then.
No point falling out eh?.
Also no point getting so mad dude take a break or have a brew.
We still love you.