Serious Question: Why are so Many People Afraid/Unaccepting of Transgender People?

Generationally and comparatively I agree with you there a reply to: Seamrog

It's such a nice day today.. it would be great to go for a bikeride or something.. So many beautiful trees outside..

a reply to: Seamrog

you are a dime a dozen.

So are you.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Generationally and comparatively I agree with you there a reply to: Seamrog

I much prefer the honesty of today.

I'm making some soup this evening.. nice healthy meal to make sure I stay happy

originally posted by: Annee

--- yep, everyone played their roles. Fake as they were.

Drink the Kool-Aid of selected memory.

You are wrong.

My great grandparents lived across the street from Harper Lee for some time, and were her friends and neighbors.

Life was not idyllic by any means, but it was markedly better than the evil that has been embraced today.

It is your memory that is selective.

If your implying I'm a narcissist I assure you I'm not and I make a very conscious effort to not be selfish as for the people who can benefit from science and research I agree with you 100% and I personally don't really have an agenda a reply to: Seamrog

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Annee

--- yep, everyone played their roles. Fake as they were.

Drink the Kool-Aid of selected memory.

You are wrong.

My great grandparents lived across the street from Harper Lee for some time, and were her friends and neighbors.

Life was not idyllic by any means, but it was markedly better than the evil that has been embraced today.

It is your memory that is selective.

I'm not your grandparents.

I personally lived in the 50s.

I love listening to Buddhist music videos on you tube.. they seem to maintain my calm..very relaxing bowls and chimes..

originally posted by: tony9802

You know what your problem is Mr. Seamfrog.. your government has sold itself out to an Islamic takeover.. and you are scared to DEATH of a bunch of Muslim Extremists taking over your land, and you are trying to take out your anger, on a bunch of nice people, writing here on a thread concerning indecent behavior towards the Transgendered community.. I am about to make you go back home to cry in your pillow, because and you know for a fact, your foolish Republic has been taken over, by a bunch of Communist siding Muslims sympathizers against whom you are perfectly unable to fight, so you need to take a fight up against a bunch of kind gentle TG community folk to vent your damned anger, anger that your fundamentalist God Jehovah will NOT honor.. you either love your brother, including your Transgendered brother..

Let me reel you back in here before you fall into the abyss by reminding you of what islamists do to homosexuals and men who pretend to be women.

They burn them.
They remove their heads from their bodies.
They stone them.
They push them off moderately tall buildings.
They drag them behind trucks, etc.

If the islamists are allowed to take hold in America like they have in secular Europe, you can bet you will really understand what 'intolerance' and 'hatred' mean.

You don't have a clue.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Generationally and comparatively I agree with you there a reply to: Seamrog

I much prefer the honesty of today.

Honesty is a good thing..

lol oh youa reply to: Seamrog

I think it's starting to rain outside a little bit..

I've been following this discussion and fully intended to stay out of it as I have 99.9% of all threads in my eight years here but I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!

The degree of hate, intolerance, outright stupidity and ignorance and lack of empathy this topic brings out doesn't really surprise me but it certainly does disappoint me to the bone. Being enlightened, opening your third eye, denying ignorance and being smarter than your average bear are all core values members seem to attribute themselves with positively when discussing aliens, conspiracy, NWO, TPTB, etc., but when topics like this come up, camps become polarized and the knuckle dragging Neanderthals seem to come out of the woodwork. Why is that and why does this push so many buttons? It's worse than effing politics and religion combined.

Maybe it is the "agenda" so many feel being forced down their throats and for the indoctrination of all the poor innocent children? When desegregation became law and forced down people's throats and presented in the classroom, didn't our nation overall end up better for it? When women's suffrage came to fruition in 1919, didn't we advance as a society? LGBQTXYZ whatevers don't ask for privilege or special rights, only for equality, end of discrimination and equal protection under the law. Is this such a bad thing? Is the "agenda" and getting all up in your face about it only because maybe inequality, prejudice, bias still exist for this community? Maybe the genesis of this "community" equates to the same reasons people came together for the suffrage and civil rights movements and if the discrimination and righteous indignation against this group never existed, would there even be an LGBQ group in the first place? We need to grow up as a society and as a nation and until then, flag wavers gonna wave.

So, specifically on topic, "transgender" (TG) is an umbrella melting pot term encompassing all flavors of gender diversity or things outside of the male/female binary created for political expediency and as a way to unify various communities. The relatively new term itself has morphed and evolved over time with increasing debate over its viability and usage due to its inadequacy as a single definition that tries to cover everyone. I didn't know about this but from my reading today, among transsexuals there is a trans-separatist movement fostered by the idea that they should not be under the same broad and misunderstood transgender umbrella as their cross dressing, drag queen, other gender variant and LGBQ comrades. Everybody loves having a label, right?

Point is, no two people are alike but all people crave and deserve dignity and respect. Whatever happened to love thy neighbor?

Things are not as clearly defined as some think it is or should be. Sex, gender and sexual orientation don't always fit into nice little boxes and one doesn't automatically connect to the other. This is nothing new throughout history and it isn't going to magically disappear.

Meanderings:

What makes a man or a woman anyway? Consider these factors:

Chromosomal Sex: XX or XY variations - can't be seen and only determined by testing
Gonadal Sex: Ovaries or testies or both (intersex) or neither
Anatomical Sex: Penis or vagina or intersex/hermaphroditic conditions
Secondary Sex Characteristics: facial hair, muscular build or breasts & feminine fat distribution
Hormonal Sex: Testosterone level - Estrogen level
Sexual Orientation: What turns you on
Gender Role: How you present to the world. Masculine, Feminine, Androgynous
Gender Identity: What you feel inside to be

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know these don't always align in a nice congruous fashion. It's the nature of the human beast along with quite a few other supposedly lower animals. Accepting that not everyone is the same goes a long way in having a happy life?

So where does all the fear and loathing come from? What keeps us from all getting along? I wish I knew.

At first glance I would think you would agree with Islamist fanatics but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you are a staunch patriot which means on a in the event of some sort of geopolitical war broke out then we are fundamentally on the same side in militaristic stand point.a reply to: Seamrog

Thank you for your insightful contribution a reply to: EKron

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Generationally and comparatively I agree with you there a reply to: Seamrog

I much prefer the honesty of today.

I think I prefer the honesty of today as well.. these people are talking as though they represent the 1850's prarie town folk, farming and living with nature..

My 1950's. Upper middle class white Christian neighborhood of individually owned houses in a Los Angeles suburb.

City counselman was a Hebephilia.
1st grade teacher was a drug addict.
High school coach arrested for giving student a concussion by slamming him into locker.
A neighbor down the street used to chase her husband with a butcher knife.
Pregnant teenage girls sent away (if not disowned) and had their babies ripped away from them.
Women's rights almost non existent.

Those are just the ones that got publicly noticed.

All of that behavior is fortunately illegal in the US. I guess that's why we are considered a Democracy..

originally posted by: EKron

LGBQTXYZ whatevers don't ask for privilege or special rights, only for equality, end of discrimination and equal protection under the law. Is this such a bad thing? Is the "agenda" and getting all up in your face about it only because maybe inequality, prejudice, bias still exist for this community? Maybe the genesis of this "community" equates to the same reasons people came together for the suffrage and civil rights movements and if the discrimination and righteous indignation against this group never existed, would there even be an LGBQ group in the first place? We need to grow up as a society and as a nation and until then, flag wavers gonna wave.

The glaringly obvious difference between the civil rights movement and the current sex-obsessed cause du-jour is that one seeks the destruction of the traditional family. The other did not.

Wrap it in community peace and love and whatever else you want to rationalize it in your mind, but the essential element in this is the destruction of the family, and the family is the cornerstone upon which the entirety of our society rests.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Generationally and comparatively I agree with you there a reply to: Seamrog

I much prefer the honesty of today.

I think I prefer the honesty of today as well.. these people are talking as though they represent the 1850's prarie town folk, farming and living with nature..

My 1950's. Upper middle class white Christian neighborhood of individually owned houses in a Los Angeles suburb.

City counselman was a Hebephilia.
1st grade teacher was a drug addict.
High school coach arrested for giving student a concussion by slamming him into locker.
A neighbor down the street used to chase her husband with a butcher knife.
Pregnant teenage girls sent away (if not disowned) and had their babies ripped away from them.
Women's rights almost non existent.

Those are just the ones that got publicly noticed.

Wow, whenever I think about the 50's I dream up "TeenAngel" and Italian American singers..