Serious Question: Why are so Many People Afraid/Unaccepting of Transgender People?

Looking at your registration date and post numbers, I have to ask you came out of the wood works to say that???a reply to: lindalinda

I don't have the negative reaction that some people have to different orientations. I'm sexually attracted to women, but if you're not, so what? Have the operation if it helps. My friend Vicki was pretty cool, a Vietnam combat vet who had it done. She had a pretty normal life except when she felt people were after her, and then she's get drunk and get out her .45 or her hand grenade until I talked her into putting them away.
a reply to: TrappedPrincess

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Not sure what you are getting at. Is there something unusual about my registration date and post numbers?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: dismanrc

It just seems like what you are saying is, you don't want to see any evidence that transgender people exist. You want them to either hide away in their homes like hermits, or pretend to be happy with the physical body they have - all so you don't have to know that the condition exists. Well, guess what - it's not the 1950's any more and you don't get to have what you want. I doubt very seriously that a transgender has ever walked up to you at an airport or grocery store to tell you that they are transgender and to bore you with all the details of their nightmare.

If you're talking about the OP, well this is a discussion forum and lots of topics are brought up by different people according to the things they want to discuss. Don't like the particular thread? Don't read it then. No one is forcing you. I hate threads about how they're gonna take our guns away - because I'm not a gun person and personally don't care about guns in the least. But some people love their guns and they have a right to rant about it on a discussion forum.

Their "nightmare" with their physical body is not any different the the "nightmare" the majority of the other people in the world have. What about the people that think their too fat? Or too skinny? Or the women with very big breasts that get stared at all the time? Or the man that has ED issues? Or the man that is short? Or the woman that has had a mastectomy? Or any other of the 1000's of issues people fell horrified and ashamed?

We all have issues and we all have to deal with them. And, as I have said, if a transgender wants to live their lives as the other sex? SO what. Just do it and unless I have a personnel connection with you I don't even need to know about it. I live in Athens Greece right now and it has a high population for transgender and cross dressers. I have seen more then one as I drive though areas of town with out even knowing it.

As far a reading it the OP asked some questions and I have given him my answers. He asked why the hate and issues? I answered was because it not about him or gays or transgenders. It about getting smacked in the face with issues to the point that most of us want to yell. And as many have said its not the whole population that is the issue it is the small very vocal groups that don't want "fixes" or "inclusion" they want to be the center of attention and to mold society to match their vision.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess


For those that are "tired of having anything shoved in their faces" I've said it already and others have said it as well but I'm going to say it again. It really is a matter of simply ignoring (turning off the power or whatever) which ever form of media is presenting the message you do not wish to hear. You can also choose to leave the area of wherever the message is being presented. If you don't want your children to learn about certain things in school there are options for that too such as home schooling or simply redistricting your child. So in conclusion stop acting like you are forced victims held at gunpoint without any options available to you and your ability to excersise FREE WILL.

Just as a point. If gay, transgender, or any other of the hard core liberal ideas where banned in your state, would you move to another state or sue to get it changed? I personally agree 100% with the idea. If you don't like something in your area and can get the majority to vote for that then great. Then the minority can move to were they can have the majority in that issue. Problem is that even when the majority DOES do this the minority gets the backing of some group and sues the majority into submission. Seen it many times over the past few month with the Gay marriage issue. State pas a law for it with no issues, but pass a law against it and WOW star the law suites.

a reply to: honested3

Makes no odds to me if peeps are transgendered or not.. Each for there pwn in life...

purp..

I wouldn't say unusual but what I was pointing out is that for an 11 year member with such a small post history you must not post much. Please know that I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm just trying to understand why someone who is apparently not that active would feel the need to comment on this particular issue in such a limited way.

You basically asserted that you don't really have a problem with us but want us to shut up and stay out of sight and it is that last part that I do have a problem with. I've done my best to be polite, courteous and educational about this very personal matter to me. To tell you the truth I'm not really the activist type and for more truth I'd honestly rather go to an amusement park and ride some roller coasters and have a good time than go to some sort of rally or something like that (never been to a gay pride parade and have no intent on starting I could be taking nature photographs and hiking trails that day)

I do however frequent this site and this issue (which happens to be a personal one for me) is a hot topic right now much to the chagrin of those who are mostly INDIFFERENT yet want to pretend like we don't exist. reply to: lindalinda

Ok there are steps to help with all of those problems you mentioned such as being too skinny, ED etc etc. It is up to that individual and their FREE WILL to fix them or not. I would also rather be slapped in the proverbial face by a message from a group that ultimately is asking the world for less violence and more compassion than slapped in the literal face by a nasty bigot with intent on doing harm out of some misguided fear turned hatred. a reply to: dismanrc

I have no sexual orientation at the moment and haven't for some time sex is simply something that I personally am not really interested in at this point in my life. As for your friend Vikki well vietnam veterans themselves are actually another niche that actually are stereotyped a lot and also have a lot of mental and emotional problems (some of them) due to an unjust war that a lot of them were FORCED to fight in.

She should be so lucky and thankful for a friend like you to help her through the tough times and ease her away from doing something silly and/or hurtful.a reply to: Parthin

I think you are mistaking me for a liberal over this one issue that (yes) is being pushed by the liberal side of the coin. If that doesn't make it clear then allow me to clarify further. I am one of those that fully understand that the two options we have available to us in terms of "political parties" are in fact two sides of the same coin. They both answer to their perspective corporate overlords and (definitely not the American people) all in the name of playing their individual roles in the great big American dog and pony show.a reply to: dismanrc

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Ok there are steps to help with all of those problems you mentioned such as being too skinny, ED etc etc. It is up to that individual and their FREE WILL to fix them or not. I would also rather be slapped in the proverbial face by a message from a group that ultimately is asking the world for less violence and more compassion than slapped in the literally face by a nasty bigot with intent on doing harm out some misguided fear turned hatred. a reply to: dismanrc

ANd the transgender have the same FREE WILL to fix their issues or not. The only reason most of these people fear it IS because its being slapped in their face. If you walked up to me I would never even KNOW you were transgender unless you bring the subject up. As an example: Being fat (if it IS an issue to you) is more of an issue than that ever will be. People can see that from across the room and you have to deal with it on planes, buses and even sometime chairs at work. We as a society are obsessed with the "skinny" image.

originally posted by: dismanrc

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess


For those that are "tired of having anything shoved in their faces" I've said it already and others have said it as well but I'm going to say it again. It really is a matter of simply ignoring (turning off the power or whatever) which ever form of media is presenting the message you do not wish to hear. You can also choose to leave the area of wherever the message is being presented. If you don't want your children to learn about certain things in school there are options for that too such as home schooling or simply redistricting your child. So in conclusion stop acting like you are forced victims held at gunpoint without any options available to you and your ability to excersise FREE WILL.

Just as a point. If gay, transgender, or any other of the hard core liberal ideas where banned in your state, would you move to another state or sue to get it changed? I personally agree 100% with the idea. If you don't like something in your area and can get the majority to vote for that then great. Then the minority can move to were they can have the majority in that issue. Problem is that even when the majority DOES do this the minority gets the backing of some group and sues the majority into submission. Seen it many times over the past few month with the Gay marriage issue. State pas a law for it with no issues, but pass a law against it and WOW star the law suites.

Actually if a state votes to suppress gays or transgenders then YES they should sue. The Constitution is supposed to guarantee that the minority is protected from tyranny from the majority. You just highlighted what is wrong with the country. The majority thinks that just because it is icky and can vote to "ban it" as you said then all is well and their opinions should be honored. Except that isn't how our Constitution was written. Our Constitution was written to guarantee equal rights for all.

originally posted by: seagull

You are absolutely correct.

Examples of that are all over the place for those who care to look.

Actually, there are not.

There are FAR more examples of children who have been terribly damaged by the adults who tried to shoehorn them into an abnormal existence and claiming it is a 'family.'

Setting aside the fact that participants in same sex unions have significantly higher rates of partner physical abuse, depression, alcoholism and drug abuse, depression and STD's, you have to acknowledge the fact that same sex relationships are [very] rarely exclusive - homosexual males are among the most promiscuous segments of our society. Their relationships are inherently unstable.

In donor-conceived 'families' studies show that children and young adults do not thrive compared to a similar group of children from a traditional family - higher rates of drug and alcohol abuse, general confusion, mental anguish, delinquency, overall isolation and depression.

For reinforcement, take a gander and the havoc wrought by illegitimate births across our country. Look to the legacies of Ferguson, MO and Baltimore, MD for the TREMENDOUS damage that results from the destruction of the traditional family. Children NEED both a mother and a father, and an effeminate male can NOT substitute for a mother. We learn to feel safe in relationships and to trust people from our mothers - when you rip her out of the picture, it damages children.

I can cite the studies and articles in peer-reviewed journals to back up every point I've made above - they are there, and they are slowly, but steadily growing in number as doctors and psychiatrists gain courage to resists the tremendous negative pressure from the Big Gay lobby. Light is also beginning to be shown into the dark corners of the studies often cited to demonstrate how wonderful children were doing in same sex households - in one 'study' the data on the welfare of the children was given by the lesbian women to the researchers fully aware of the purpose of the study - it was not observed in the children themselves.

I don't think for one minute that I will in any way change your ill-formed opinion - I'm posting this for the people who can still think clearly - who look around them and intuitively understand that the lies they are being force fed from the media, from leftist politicians and from the depraved popular culture are NOT reality.

There are still some people left who can reason that in spite of the fact that everything they are being told is white....it is not white - it is black and they know it is black. There are ever-growing pockets of men and women of courage who are willing to stand up to the political pressure, the career-ending and the cultural and social weapons of the secular progressive machine.

Take heart - take up your arms in defense of defenseless children and work to combat the tremendous damage these people have inflicted upon everyone.

a reply to: Seamrog

This is mostly lies. The traditional family has only existed as we know it for some 50 years or so. Before that there was no such thing as a family NEEDING to have a father and a mother. War has existed forever. Even disregarding out of wedlock births (though those have also existed forever, in all classes of society too), families have dealt with fathers being killed in war for time immemorial. But hey, let's supply some evidence (something you are notoriously bad at despite "claiming" to have all sorts of evidence in your favor).

Chi ldren ‘no less happy in single-parent homes,’ study finds

Children raised by a single parent are no less happy than those living with two biological parents, a study has found.

Researchers from NatCen Social Research found family composition has “no significant effect” on the happiness of children. Rather, it is the quality of relationships at home which are most strongly linked to a child’s well-being.

Discrimination against single parents has vast implications for their children

In what is perhaps the most comprehensive investigation of the implications of different kinds of family structures for the well-being of teenagers, Thomas Deleire and Ariel Kalil studied more than 11,000 adolescents raised in ten different kinds of households, including, for example, households with married parents, biological cohabiting parents, single mothers (divorced, always-single, and cohabiting considered separately), divorced single mothers in multi-generational households, and always-single mothers in multigenerational households. Conventional wisdom would predict that the children of married parents would do well, and they did. But the children of divorced single mothers in multigenerational homes did just as well.

The children who did the best – even better than the children of married parents – were the children of always-single mothers in multigenerational homes. They were less likely to drink or smoke, more likely to graduate from high school, and more likely to enroll in college.

That is just your dumb claims about children needing both a mother and a father.

Take heart - take up your arms in defense of defenseless children and work to combat the tremendous damage these people have inflicted upon everyone.

The irony is thick in you...

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
This mentality right here " When we see TG people, something clicks in our primitive brain that all is not as it seems to be...we are being deceived which could very well mean we're in or could be in danger or peril." Posted by a member earlier on in the thread allowed a young transgender woman named Islan Nettles to be beaten to death across the street from a police station ON SURVEILLANCE CAMERA.

The aforementioned mentality was used as the defense for the angry insecure young man who struck Ms. Nettles knocking her unconscious where he continued to beat her to death as she lay there helpless and unable to defend herself. The defense worked. I know there was a bit of a following consisting of friends, family and other members of the trans community seeking justice for Islan. I'm not sure how that went I haven't followed up on that in while.

That is what most of US are scared of.

I have found this article dated March 4th 2015, in The Advocate, and it looks as though the assailant, James Dixon, has been indicted in that case, two years after the murder had occurred. The investigation had lasted more than 18 months, and apparently according to the article, some justice is being served for Islan Nettles:

Here is the article:www.advocate.com...

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Seamrog

This is mostly lies.

Nope - our side is not the one that lies.

Big Gay and the progressive secularists are pathological liars - it infects everything they spew.

It is not a lie to state that a man and a man and procured children to not make a family. The alternative....bingo.

It is not a lie to state that a man who has mutilated his genitalia and dresses like a woman is still a man. The alternative...you guessed it.

It is not a lie to state that a child has a natural right to his mother and his father in an intact family. The alternative...everywhere around you.

The lies are obvious and people are waking up to them.

I am not the liar - YOU are.

Take you venom and your bitterness, bigotry and hatred of God and go piss up a rope.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
www.huffingtonpost.com/news/islan-nettles/
www.ladyvalorfilm.com/

Just saw the trailer to the Seal documentary.. it seems quite moving actually..
outstanding link and highlighted..

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originally posted by: Seamrog
Nope - our side is not the one that lies.

Big Gay and the progressive secularists are pathological liars - it infects everything they spew.

See. This is a lie. There is no such thing as the "Big Gay". That is just a derogatory way of framing the argument so you don't have to acknowledge that these people may have legitimate grievances.

It is not a lie to state that a man and a man and procured children to not make a family. The alternative....bingo.

Yes that is a lie. Here, proof that you are ly ing.

It is not a lie to state that a man who has mutilated his genitalia and dresses like a woman is still a man. The alternative...you guessed it.

Why do you keep referring to gender reassignment surgery as genitalia mutilation? It's just surgery, elective surgery at that. Genitalia mutilation is something that is usually forced on the individual not something they accept completely on their own.

It is not a lie to state that a child has a natural right to his mother and his father in an intact family. The alternative...everywhere around you.

Yes, that is a lie. There is no "natural right" for a child to have a mother and a father in an intact family. I already proved to you that single family households do JUST fine, and with the previous link I showed you in this post, I showed you that even homosexual families do JUST fine. So, yes, you are lying here. What you said is a completely made up fabrication from the religious right.

More proof that you are talking out your ass:
The Myth of 'Traditional Marriage'

What conservatives regard as traditional marriage is not very traditional at all. It's radically different from what prevailed a century or two centuries ago. And if you want to talk about "thousands of years," you'll find that almost everything about marriage has changed.

The ideal of marriage enshrined in the 1950s reflects a myopic nostalgia for a phase that didn't last. The 1960s brought no-fault divorce, which allowed wives as well as husbands to dissolve their bonds without proving some terrible transgression by the spouse.

This was an earthquake, causing unprecedented numbers of unions to collapse. A writer for the conservative Family Research Council said that under no-fault divorce laws, marriage became "nothing more than notarized dating." Maggie Gallagher of the National Organization for Marriage said their effect was nothing less than "the abolition of marriage."

The lies are obvious and people are waking up to them.

I am not the liar - YOU are.

"I know you are, but what am I?" What are we in elementary school here?

Take you venom and your bitterness, bigotry and hatred of God and go piss up a rope.

Venom and bitterness? I've been responding to you completely unemotionally so lol at this sentence. You are the only one who has professed any bitterness and hatred here. In fact it oozes from every one of your posts. Statements like this, "The alternative...everywhere around you," and this, "Big Gay and the progressive secularists are pathological liars," show that you are EXTREMELY bitter about the direction society is going and carry MUCH hatred in your heart for it.

This is why I say the irony is strong in you. You keep making statements like this, "The lies are obvious and people are waking up to them," which is actually true, in that they are waking up to the lies YOUR side is pushing and moving away from YOUR bigotry. I mean you HAVE to notice this is true, more and more people are accepting LGBT's every day. Your side is shrinking in numbers. Not growing. You are right, it is plain as day for anyone to see, but apparently you aren't seeing it correctly. These are just the facts, Holmes.

I seriously feel as though the "stop waving it in our face crowd" has this image of us frolicking down the street waving our arms around in an over animated fashion spewing glitter from our mouths and rainbows from our bums while show tunes play from some mysterious orchestra like a sound track.

When in reality at least in my case it is more like walking quickly avoiding eye contact (especially with those few that gawk while displaying a ?WTF? face in my direction. I also disregard the rare "HOLLA HOLLA'S" like " Hey girl, sup?" As if I would stop on the street and respond to those lewd cat calls by offering some sexual favor in a back alley.

It is sad but honest of me to say that if I were some sort of alien scout on this planet whose job was to observe and report back my findings for the ultimate purpose of deciding the "to be or not to be" fate of humanity Im not sure I wouldn't say just pull the plug they can try again. I feel as though I ultimately wouldn't as I have met a lot of good people that have given me a renewed sense of hope in humanity but man the few bad ones are really really bad and makes it all almost unbearable.

You speak in such a confusing manner. I have no qualms with fat people and I'd also like to point out that you can lose weight so I don't really understand your point.a reply to: dismanrc