Serious Question: Why are so Many People Afraid/Unaccepting of Transgender People?

originally posted by: tony9802
All of that behavior is fortunately illegal in the US. I guess that's why we are considered a Democracy..

Actually, we are a Republic or Democratic Republic.

There is no majority rule. Equal rights are the same if you're 90% or 1% of the population.

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Generationally and comparatively I agree with you there a reply to: Seamrog

I much prefer the honesty of today.

I think I prefer the honesty of today as well.. these people are talking as though they represent the 1850's prarie town folk, farming and living with nature..

My 1950's. Upper middle class white Christian neighborhood of individually owned houses in a Los Angeles suburb.

City counselman was a Hebephilia.
1st grade teacher was a drug addict.
High school coach arrested for giving student a concussion by slamming him into locker.
A neighbor down the street used to chase her husband with a butcher knife.
Pregnant teenage girls sent away (if not disowned) and had their babies ripped away from them.
Women's rights almost non existent.

Those are just the ones that got publicly noticed.

Wow, whenever I think about the 50's I dream up "TeenAngel" and Italian American singers..

Yeah, well we had those too.

But, roles were still pretty much defined by gender and age. Very programmed.

That's why I think it's better today and more honest. There's nothing new --- it's just not covered up.

I'm not afraid. I'm disgusted. Be mature. Play the hand you're dealt.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
Baiting = deliberately annoy or taunt (someone) like calling me a whatever rude slur you would like or similar to that nature?a reply to:theabsolutetruth

Just stay clear of the dark light.. stay in the sunshine..focus on health, and nature.. and on loving kindness..in other words, simply focus on peace ...the dime a dozen is actually you..

originally posted by: Restricted
Play the hand you're dealt.

That's actually what they're trying to do.

They were dealt the hand of a brain having a different gender then the physical body.

originally posted by: Seamrog

The glaringly obvious difference between the civil rights movement and the current sex-obsessed cause du-jour is that one seeks the destruction of the traditional family. The other did not.

What?! That's exactly what the backwards people of the time said about interracial marriage when proponents compared it to the fight against slavery.

Conversation likely went something like this:

Civil Rights: "You guys are fighting interracial marriage just like you did slavery! Are you saying slavery was good?"

Backwards Folk: "The glaringly obvious difference between slavery and the current sex-obsessed cause of interracial marriage is that mixed people will spell the destruction of the traditional family!"

Can't you see that your grandchildren will view you like you view old-timey segregationists?

a reply to: Cuervo

Nope - won't hold water.

Interracial families still have a mother and a father who remain married to each other.

"Transexual" nonsense - same sex "marriage" nonsense - NOT the same thing.

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: Cuervo

Nope - won't hold water.

Interracial families still have a mother and a father who remain married to each other.

"Transexual" nonsense - same sex "marriage" nonsense - NOT the same thing.

Yeah... keeping with the same scenario, "traditional family" was thought of as having a white mother and a white father not so long ago. So don't go telling me there is some ancient tradition that hearkens back to some godless era before gay people roamed the earth.

Every person that desperately held on to "traditional values" thought that the traditional values of the time they were living in were the right ones to hold on to and basically say "to hell with the ideas we've changed or may change in the future".

Every generation has a lot of people like you. And every generation changes despite their efforts, thank the gods.

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Hi TrappedPrincess.. did you notice how all of a sudden in about the time frame of a half hour to an hour, all of the negative energy suddenly stepped in.. sort of like intending on obstructing and removing a happy, benevolent, terror free environment from the thread.. did you notice that? Wow, that was totally scary.. There are about 3 or 4 antagonists that keep reappearing filled with negativity and bad humour.. just let them pass until the positive energy re-emerges..

The discussion becomes so incoherent and obtuse when the negativity reappears, it's actually very frightening..

I re-edited all of my comments to clean out their negativity though, because that is actually what these people feed off of.. they want power and control over a light and love filled thread.. it's so sad..

Well, astrology, and avatars aside, let's just say that tomorrow brings a new dawn.. It would be an interesting idea to start a formal Forum on ATS concerning these very same issues and concerns.. watch out for the malevolence, and do not allow anyone to diminish your light!

Cheers, take care,

Courage

I LOVE the traditional family I wish I had had one along with many other people across the world who didn't get to grow up in a leave it to beaver kind of family. Seriously the Clevers were quaint and charming if not a little boring but hey a lot more stimuli has been brought into the world since then.a reply to: Seamrog

originally posted by: Cuervo

"traditional family" was thought of as having a white mother and a white father not so long ago.

Again - NO.

Traditional family has always been one man and one woman in a permanent bond for the successful rearing of children.

Guess what...black people have babies too. So do Asian people and lots of others. Blacks and Asians can marry and copulate and make babies and raise them together.

There are many more problems with your attempt to equate anti-miscegenation laws with legislation that correctly defines marriage as I describe above, but it is enough here to demonstrate only the most very basic flaw in your logic.

Be calm, go find a toilet to vomit in, collect yourself then come back and join the conversation.a reply to: Restricted

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
I LOVE the traditional family I wish I had had one along with many other people across the world who didn't get to grow up in a leave it to beaver kind of family. Seriously the Clevers were quaint and charming if not a little boring but hey a lot more stimuli has been brought into the world since then.a reply to: Seamrog

I don't doubt that one bit, and I pity you for this. I am sure there were some challenges in your youth that haunt you today.

Im familiar with both the dark and the light my friend don't worry about me.a reply to: tony9802

Your words touch me they do, thank you. a reply to: tony9802

a reply to: Seamrog

Traditional family has always been one man and one woman in a permanent bond for the successful rearing of children.

You can still have your traditional family. Allowing gay marriages will not threaten the destruction of traditional families.

originally posted by: Seamrog
There are many more problems with your attempt to equate anti-miscegenation laws with legislation that correctly defines marriage as I describe above, but it is enough here to demonstrate only the most very basic flaw in your logic.

Not really. All you've really proven is my earlier point: The definition of "traditional family" depends on who's alive at the time.

I don't really care. Slavery was tradition. Serfdom was tradition. Beating up gay people in school was tradition. Hanging minorities from trees was tradition. Burning witches was tradition. Burning books was tradition. Killing women who didn't bleed on their wedding night was tradition. Women not being allowed to vote was tradition. Traditional family going back included marrying off children to men in power.

Tradition does not equate to "good". "Traditional" anything is not something to be defended simply by virtue of being older than you are. How traditional do you want to get? Myopic ethnocentric stubbornness about what is right and wrong based on how long people have been doing it is extremely counterproductive.

If we never changed the traditional family, men would still choose their wives based on the first rape that resulted in a pregnancy.

Don't be silly by insisting that you just so happen to be living in THE time, out of thousands of years, THE ONE TIME in human history where the "traditional family" is the right one. The traditions in the past were wrong to you because you weren't there and the ones that are coming are wrong to you because they weren't here when you arrived.

Start asking yourself why these traditions (regional habits, really) are so ingrained in you that you convince yourself that they are some sort of rock upon which human society stands.

So you are saying we are all obligated to hook up with one person forever and just crank out babies while enjoying the sex as little as possible? a reply to: Seamrog

Traditional family "mother (woman) -- father (man) ----- doesn't mean squat in a society no longer defined by gender roles.

What matters in today's society is love and security which provides the base for self esteem.

I'm ok with transgender people and being around them. I think the bathroom should match the personal plumbing. Transgender to me is a butch lesbian or feminine gay male who decides to take it a step further and have an operation.
I'll always be friendly to transgender people, but frankly they are mixed-up psychologically, and compensate with heavy alcohol consumption and/or drugs. The operation does seem to help resolve the gender issue to a degree. They end up with a gay partner or no partner. I'm not praising or blaming, this is what I've seen for myself.
a reply to: honested3