Why did God create evil?

originally posted by: akushla99
Attempting to argue non-free-will from a position of non-free-will IS the only paradox...it IS a self-imposed limit of the will - self-imposed, using what?...non-free-will?

Å99

Yuppers; I would say the only 'free or self will' is one imposed as FALSE trickery upon the human by THE BOSS of all things created [belongs to this creator being alone/only and has the 'utility' patent]. The human; thinking (righty so) would imagine as it might be/or is actually God aspect/expression of could (as a human) have free will. I disagree. Much confusion involved; but no one is here representing the higher realms to clarify the EXACT meaning of free/self will. As far as I understand both are a state of 'insignificant awareness' God owns ON PURPOSE; (BTW: do not go against your nature as that's the key to your soul progression stay true to your evilness or goodness don't confuse the issues). Defining ONES OWN individualized nature is the next step to ultimate enlightenment.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Abednego

So why is it so much easier to do evil than to do good? Why is there no universal balance? It seems that things are rigged so that everyone will make evil decisions throughout their lives. Some thinking that those decisions, no matter how reprehensible, are 100% justified. Then we include situations where god, in his attempt to correct maligned behavior, makes things worse for humans. Such as the Tower of Babel.

You need to see this from the perspective of nature. Everything age, gets old. Same happens with the collective mind of humanity, it's grow old, decay.
Collective mind decay, then evil comes and take it's part.

As more humans are born, the less resources are available. Everything becomes a competition to survive, therefore you have to stop sharing your part and sometimes get rid of your competition. And the circle repeat itself until the Tower of babel comes. Tower of Babel is a symbolic story for another end of the world scenario.

originally posted by: Abednego

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Abednego

So why is it so much easier to do evil than to do good? Why is there no universal balance? It seems that things are rigged so that everyone will make evil decisions throughout their lives. Some thinking that those decisions, no matter how reprehensible, are 100% justified. Then we include situations where god, in his attempt to correct maligned behavior, makes things worse for humans. Such as the Tower of Babel.

You need to see this from the perspective of nature. Everything age, gets old. Same happens with the collective mind of humanity, it's grow old, decay.
Collective mind decay, then evil comes and take it's part.

Why is decay synonymous with evil? Decay happens to everything, yet we view it so negatively. Personally, I think this is because decay represents a reminder to humans of our own mortality. I find it unlikely though that decay is inherently evil or lets evil in easier than something that isn't as decayed.

As more humans are born, the less resources are available. Everything becomes a competition to survive, therefore you have to stop sharing your part and sometimes get rid of your competition. And the circle repeat itself until the Tower of babel comes. Tower of Babel is a symbolic story for another end of the world scenario.

I don't see many redeeming benefits of the symbolism from the Tower of Babel. I understand it didn't happen and even recognize that even the ancient Hebrews didn't believe it was true. It was more intended to be a nice story to explain language diversification, but coupled with what god becomes after Jesus arrives on earth, the Tower of Babel story takes on new meaning as a big dick move.

Why is decay synonymous with evil? Decay happens to everything, yet we view it so negatively. Personally, I think this is because decay represents a reminder to humans of our own mortality. I find it unlikely though that decay is inherently evil or lets evil in easier than something that isn't as decayed.

You are correct decay is not evil. But humans will always look for an excuse to not accept the reality of their actions.

I don't see many redeeming benefits of the symbolism from the Tower of Babel. I understand it didn't happen and even recognize that even the ancient Hebrews didn't believe it was true. It was more intended to be a nice story to explain language diversification, but coupled with what god becomes after Jesus arrives on earth, the Tower of Babel story takes on new meaning as a big dick move.

Real or not it's symbolism is there (the one above is just one of the many interpretations).

This may sounds fantastic:
Right now humans are building (symbolically) a Tower of Babel. We are exploring the galaxy and the planets (trying to reach to heaven). At any time in the future there will be so many colonies in space that humans will change and evolve (diversification of language) into different kinds of being adapted to the environment they live.
And the story will repeat again.

I just came up with that one.

originally posted by: Abednego
You are correct decay is not evil. But humans will always look for an excuse to not accept the reality of their actions.

That doesn't mean that they are correct in their descriptions of the event. Decay is completely natural.

Real or not it's symbolism is there (the one above is just one of the many interpretations).

This may sounds fantastic:
Right now humans are building (symbolically) a Tower of Babel. We are exploring the galaxy and the planets (trying to reach to heaven). At any time in the future there will be so many colonies in space that humans will change and evolve (diversification of language) into different kinds of being adapted to the environment they live.
And the story will repeat again.

I just came up with that one.

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That isn't fantastic. That is an apt description of how evolution would change our race as we explored and lived in different environments. There was however no point in the past where all of humanity was united under a singular language and decided to build a tower to heaven. Not to mention, any tower the ancients could have built would have been microscopic in comparison to the skyscrapers we have today.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Evil is not a force like "Good"...it is the absence/void of good.

Darkness is not a color...it is the ABSENSE of light.

And without shadow, we would not recognize light.

People often confuse good and evil as opposing forces, when there is actually just one force and it's absence.

There is light and the absence of light.

There is knowledge and it's absence "ignorance"

There is empathy and it's absence sociapathy.

Now...Yes...ugly dank things may grow in dark and isolated places where light is absent, but they don't survive in the light.

There is only light and it's absence.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

God didn't create evil.

God created the universe and everything in it and declared it "good". (Gen 1:10,12,18,21,25)
Then when He was done, He declared all He had made as "very good."
"God saw all that He had made, and it was very good." (Gen 1:31)

Thus, creation as a whole, at the time of its inception, was good. God = good, His creation = good.

With me so far? Okay, bear with me a bit longer......

Creation as a whole, is an isolated system. God resides outside of it in His primordial essence and inside of it as His manifestation through Jesus Christ. At the moment of creation, God projected Himself within creation in the form of sound and light to interact with it. Sound and light is the basic foundation to all matter (all matter is made up of light, sound, frequency and vibration), hence God "speaking" creation into existence.
The sound and light are Jesus Christ (referred to throughout scripture as the "Light" and the "Word").
That is why the Bible states that "Through Him [Jesus] all things were made; without Him [Jesus] nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:3)

also:
"For in Him [Jesus] all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him [Jesus] and for Him [Jesus]." (Col 1:16)

"but in these last days He [God] has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe." (Heb 1:2)

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." (1 Cor 8:6)

Everything comes FROM God, but all of creation came THROUGH (ie: via) Jesus Christ. Yet they are One-in-the-same, Jesus simply being God's manifestation of Himself within His own creation. That is how Jesus can be both His anthropomorphic self and God at the same time.

Still with me? Okay.....

Creation as a closed system was good and perfect at its inception. This included God's decision to allow the created entities within His creation to possess free will. Humans and Angels alike. However, in God's decision to allow free will to be exercised within His creation, it also allowed the potential for evil to become manifest.

But the potential for something is not the same as the manifestation or realization of something. That is how God was able to initially declare all of creation "good". Because the potential for evil to become manifest in our new reality had not yet happened.

When evil manifested itself, it was not a creation from God. It was manifested through the rebellious and selfish choices of those within His own creation. Once rebellion against the Creator was introduced into our closed system of reality, the Second Law of Thermodynamics was kicked into play. From that moment, entropy (death, decay and disorder) would only continue to increase into a maximum state of chaos.

For free will to be real, God had to allow for all possible choices to be allowed within His system, including those that would ultimately destroy it. God does not interfere with free will and the angels are forbidden to interfere with mankind's free will. That is why our greatest enemy works through deception. He makes men believe that God is the enemy, that His word is unreliable and that those who share the truth are fools.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Because God creates evil, this allows his angels to rebel against him and commit the ultimate sin against God.

You are assuming God created evil and that this "created evil" is what allows His angels to rebel against Him. This assumption is in error. God did not create evil, see my previous reply.

It is the angel's ability to exercise free will that allows them to rebel.

So more importantly, why did God let Satan and all the other betrayer angels survive knowing that they'd go on to tempt man in the ways of evil? Why didn't God destroy these betrayer angels on the spot? In the Old Testament, God isn't adverse to destroying whole cities for reprehensible evil, yet God can't bring himself to destroying angels that have committed the sin of war against God.

It is my understanding that when God decided to create our existence with the inclusion of free will, such a creation dictated that its existence must run its full course, otherwise it would negate all opportunities of free will to be exercised. Only God knows the moment that entropy will reach its maximum state, everything that occurs in the meantime is the working out of creation as a whole and complete cycle of existence.

This allows these angels to supposedly go on and tempt man into the ways of evil. And again, we see God punishing man for falling to the temptations of these fallen angels (devils now).

When we are tempted, we are learning and growing. We are either growing closer to God, or further away from Him. We are realizing our potential for being part of the "good" portion of creation or being part of the "rebellious" portion of creation. It is also referred to as "refinement". We are being refined and groomed for life after our physical existence. Everyone of the age of accountability will be given a choice. God sets the choice of "life" and "death" before everyone, and He implores them to choose "life". But rebellion is deceitful and gives men the illusion that God is a tyrant, even that free will itself is an illusion if the only choices are "life" or "death".

What men fail to realize is that life itself comes from God, and there is no other life apart from Him. Instead of seeing consciousness and awareness as a gift from God, they see it as something they own and possess within their own right. Instead of seeing life as an opportunity to know and choose God, they see it as a pursuit of their own self-interests, blinded by their free will to rebel against Him.

God doesn't ever hold these devils accountable for their actions.

He just indiscriminately lays waste to large parts of the world killing sinner and believer alike for the actions that originated from a group that remains outside of judgment from God.

This comment is sheer ignorance, it is a "shaking your fist at the sky" attempt. God does nothing indiscriminately, He knows the end from the beginning and the beginning from the end. He exists outside of time and reality as we know it and He is a God of unfathomable order and perfection. We are mere mortals, incapable of even beginning to wrap our finite mind around His infinite wisdom. We can't even travel outside of our own solar system, yet we presume to fathom His reasoning and criticize His actions from our faulty and flawed perspective.

God does all this apparently so that when He has decided that evil has ran rampant throughout the earth for long enough, He can wage one final war against evil.

He will destroy evil and all of creation will be reconciled, this is an unavoidable truth.

Unfortunately, "When the author walks on the stage the play is over. God is going to invade, all right...something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left? For this time it will be God without disguise...it will be too late then to choose your side. There is no use saying you choose to lie down when it has become impossible to stand up." -- C.S. Lewis

But again, God is responsible for all of this. He created it. He allows it to continue. He could end it at any time. Sounds like a sick joke to me.

That is because your assumptions are incorrect and your perspective is marred and clouded by deceit. Perhaps you created this thread because something inside of you will not let you rest until you see God through the lens of truth. I pray that you would be given eyes to see and ears to hear. God loves all men and desires for them all to repent and come to the saving knowledge of forgiveness, which makes all those who believe new creatures in Christ, fit for the coming kingdom.
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

originally posted by: WashMoreFeet
You are assuming God created evil and that this "created evil" is what allows His angels to rebel against Him. This assumption is in error. God did not create evil, see my previous reply.

It is the angel's ability to exercise free will that allows them to rebel.

Angel's have free will? I was under the impression that they didn't and the reason that humans were so special is because they DID have free will. Though I guess that can make sense because if they didn't have free will then how could they rebel? Catch 22 there.

It is my understanding that when God decided to create our existence with the inclusion of free will, such a creation dictated that its existence must run its full course, otherwise it would negate all opportunities of free will to be exercised. Only God knows the moment that entropy will reach its maximum state, everything that occurs in the meantime is the working out of creation as a whole and complete cycle of existence.

Entropy and the Second Law of Thermodynamics doesn't work like you are describing it.

When we are tempted, we are learning and growing. We are either growing closer to God, or further away from Him. We are realizing our potential for being part of the "good" portion of creation or being part of the "rebellious" portion of creation. It is also referred to as "refinement". We are being refined and groomed for life after our physical existence. Everyone of the age of accountability will be given a choice. God sets the choice of "life" and "death" before everyone, and He implores them to choose "life". But rebellion is deceitful and gives men the illusion that God is a tyrant, even that free will itself is an illusion if the only choices are "life" or "death".

The problem is that there aren't any clear directions telling us when we are wrong or right. Sure there is the bible, but that can be interpreted to say anything. Plus it condones slavery.

This comment is sheer ignorance, it is a "shaking your fist at the sky" attempt. God does nothing indiscriminately, He knows the end from the beginning and the beginning from the end. He exists outside of time and reality as we know it and He is a God of unfathomable order and perfection. We are mere mortals, incapable of even beginning to wrap our finite mind around His infinite wisdom. We can't even travel outside of our own solar system, yet we presume to fathom His reasoning and criticize His actions from our faulty and flawed perspective.

Ah yes, the God is awesome and we shouldn't be questioning his motives argument. I just love it when authority figures tell us not to question their heinous actions and just to trust in them... That works out just SO well when governments do it doesn't it?

He will destroy evil and all of creation will be reconciled, this is an unavoidable truth.

If evil is a natural result of giving humans free will doesn't that mean that in order for god to destroy evil, he'd have to take away our free will?

That is because your assumptions are incorrect and your perspective is marred and clouded by deceit. Perhaps you created this thread because something inside of you will not let you rest until you see God through the lens of truth. I pray that you would be given eyes to see and ears to hear. God loves all men and desires for them all to repent and come to the saving knowledge of forgiveness, which makes all those who believe new creatures in Christ, fit for the coming kingdom.
"The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9)

I made this thread because I don't like taking things at face value and like to question things I'm told. Christianity is just a long list of things people tell us are true with no reasoning or evidence to support them. This thread is my attempt to see how Christians rationalize the contradictions I pointed out in the OP. I'm really not surprised you went down the "contradictions don't exist. you are just interpreting the bible wrong." I've seen it before, but such reasoning doesn't cut it.

If the bible can be interpreted any way that Christian wants to interpret it, then what makes a heathen's interpretation wrong?

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: akushla99
Attempting to argue non-free-will from a position of non-free-will IS the only paradox...it IS a self-imposed limit of the will - self-imposed, using what?...non-free-will?

Å99

Yuppers; I would say the only 'free or self will' is one imposed as FALSE trickery upon the human by THE BOSS of all things created [belongs to this creator being alone/only and has the 'utility' patent]. The human; thinking (righty so) would imagine as it might be/or is actually God aspect/expression of could (as a human) have free will. I disagree. Much confusion involved; but no one is here representing the higher realms to clarify the EXACT meaning of free/self will. As far as I understand both are a state of 'insignificant awareness' God owns ON PURPOSE; (BTW: do not go against your nature as that's the key to your soul progression stay true to your evilness or goodness don't confuse the issues). Defining ONES OWN individualized nature is the next step to ultimate enlightenment.

Problem is, 'all here' are 'representing the higher realms' in a trickle-down effect...
There is no error in the inclusive aspect of 'free or self will'...the illusion is created by other mechanisms, notably the propensity for the 'creative' mind to banish the creative process to ridiculous oblivion...snake eats its own tail...

The mechanics of non-free will cannot 'create' an illusion...in this case, the illusion is already there...and free-will or non-free-will have an irrelevancy beyond discussion...

To the OP question...in the spirit of 'Inclusion'...every conceivable parameter is created...and interacted with on an equal basis across the gamut of conceivable parameters...it would only be natural for the parameter of the imagination to recognise the illusion existing that would prompt a non-free-will proponent to argue - not, the recognition...but, how that recognition could come about if there is no free will to make any difference...

Å99

"Why did God create evil?" He didn't. The Divine Reality does not create anything or anyone. The Divine is the indivisible (non-separate) conscious light/energy in which everything and everyone appears as a modification of.

The Divine has no cause-and-effect relationship to all this conditionality. The Divine is unconditional reality, beyond but not separate from any conditions.

Beings arise as patterns of separation, patterns which are constantly developed and replicated by the physical and spiritual laws of the cosmic machine, and we create our destinies through further and further identification with these patterns.

To transcend this endless patterning of apparent limitation is only possible when there is full surrender to the unconditional Reality in which we all appear.

originally posted by: akushla99
originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing
originally posted by: akushla99

akushla99: Attempting to argue non-free-will from a position of non-free-will IS the only paradox...it IS a self-imposed limit of the will - self-imposed, using what?...non-free-will?
Å99

vhb: Yuppers; I would say the only 'free or self will' is one imposed as FALSE trickery upon the human by THE BOSS of all things created [belongs to this creator being alone/only and has the 'utility' patent]. The human; thinking (righty so) would imagine as it might be/or is actually God aspect/expression of could (as a human) have free will. I disagree. Much confusion involved; but no one is here representing the higher realms to clarify the EXACT meaning of free/self will. As far as I understand both are a state of 'insignificant awareness' God owns ON PURPOSE; (BTW: do not go against your nature as that's the key to your soul progression stay true to your evilness or goodness don't confuse the issues). Defining ONES OWN individualized nature is the next step to ultimate enlightenment.

akushla99: Problem is, 'all here' are 'representing the higher realms' in a trickle-down effect...
There is no error in the inclusive aspect of 'free or self will'...the illusion is created by other mechanisms, notably the propensity for the 'creative' mind to banish the creative process to ridiculous oblivion...snake eats its own tail...The mechanics of non-free will cannot 'create' an illusion...in this case, the illusion is already there...and free-will or non-free-will have an irrelevancy beyond discussion.

You would think all representatives are HERE [nope] (of the higher realms THEY ARE FUDGING responsibility). There is no error of the idea of 'free will' as it does not include the human (propensity to think it can affect itself) IT IS GOD's WILL ALONE exacting its purpose. The Human thinks it has the illusion of free or self will: NOT SO; as God has the imagination to create whatever is wished (and the human component describes the 'whatever' ill-defined).

originally posted by: bb23108
"Why did God create evil?" He didn't. The Divine Reality does not create anything or anyone. The Divine is the indivisible (non-separate) conscious light/energy in which everything and everyone appears as a modification of.

The Divine has no cause-and-effect relationship to all this conditionality. The Divine is unconditional reality, beyond but not separate from any conditions.
Beings arise as patterns of separation, patterns which are constantly developed and replicated by the physical and spiritual laws of the cosmic machine, and we create our destinies through further and further identification with these patterns.
To transcend this endless patterning of apparent limitation is only possible when there is full surrender to the unconditional Reality in which we all appear.

You are saying God did not define (CREATE) the conditions of 'good vs evil' to exist? Who allowed both expressions to thrive [express themselves] and to what purpose as you say: patterns meaningless? We at this point have to outsmart GOD? (or surrender to it higher being). We are not slaves to God Aspect; as are IT as its expression and wants the dialog with the human.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

maybe s/he was a little bi-curious?

What is evil?
Killing is evil,lying is evil, slandering is evil,abuse is evil, gossip is evil, envy is evil,hatred is evil....etc...
Says who?
your heart or your court or your mum?

Our brain is not designed to be sweet and cuddly all the time
btw I see u are a pot fan?
if u care to share ?
when y have a puff of ur magic dragon what type of experience do u have?
I am the one not funny percenter unfair to the 99%
can u snapshot ur avatar into my threat can't see it and am curious

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
You are saying God did not define (CREATE) the conditions of 'good vs evil' to exist? Who allowed both expressions to thrive [express themselves] and to what purpose as you say: patterns meaningless? We at this point have to outsmart GOD? (or surrender to it higher being). We are not slaves to God Aspect; as are IT as its expression and wants the dialog with the human.

Right - there is no separate Creator-God making all things and beings for some kind of whatever. That idea of a Creator-God is a myth based on the same myth that makes us think we are fundamentally separate entities, somewhere inside the body-mind.

God is the One unqualified self-aware Being-energy in which ALL things and beings appear and disappear as modifications of that One Being-energy. It is not a matter of God creating such modifications - they are conditionally generated patterns in the light-energy that all conditions arise in, replicate in, and endlessly change in.

God (Reality) is unconditional, prior to but not separate from anything conditional. However, Reality does NOT have a cause and effect relationship to all things and others - these are patterns endlessly perpetuated by other patterns, in a constant replication like cellular reproduction. Patterns cause and are affected by other patterns - such is conditional life.

Conditional beings create all these permutations in the One Reality because fundamental awareness identifies with a body-mind and only then feels a sense of separate self. From there, the endless replication of separate, egoic activity, much of which is evil, ensues. That has nothing to do with some Creator-God - it has all to do with the illusory separate, egoic, self-obsessed, sense of self - the pattern of separation that is unreal at its root.

originally posted by: bb23108
originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing

VHB: You are saying God did not define (CREATE) the conditions of 'good vs evil' to exist? Who allowed both expressions to thrive [express themselves] and to what purpose as you say: patterns meaningless? We at this point have to outsmart GOD? (or surrender to it higher being). We are not slaves to God Aspect; as are IT as its expression and wants the dialog with the human.

bb23108: Right - there is no separate Creator-God making all things and beings for some kind of whatever. That idea of a Creator-God is a myth based on the same myth that makes us think we are fundamentally separate entities, somewhere inside the body-mind.
God is the One unqualified self-aware Being-energy in which ALL things and beings appear and disappear as modifications of that One Being-energy. It is not a matter of God creating such modifications - they are conditionally generated patterns in the light-energy that all conditions arise in, replicate in, and endlessly change in.

Humans made God a myth because it had no way to connect to it (God is in absentia) so goes the natural "HUMANS" idea of a 'separation' from its (supposed) creator. God is not material its an information grid/field that is acquiring knowledge; imperfect; what are its intention, and when satisfied ENOUGH what ultimately will it do?

bb23108: God (Reality) is unconditional, prior to but not separate from anything conditional. However, Reality does NOT have a cause and effect relationship to all things and others - these are patterns endlessly perpetuated by other patterns, in a constant replication like cellular reproduction. Patterns cause and are affected by other patterns - such is conditional life.

IF God is reality; this construct of the 3D is NOT reality so as you state is a figment of its imagination. It is more 'real' than we are'. Patterns only exist in creation of the heavy slow sludgy material.

bb23108: Conditional beings create all these permutations in the One Reality because fundamental awareness identifies with a body-mind and only then feels a sense of separate self. From there, the endless replication of separate, egoic activity, much of which is evil, ensues. That has nothing to do with some Creator-God - it has all to do with the illusory separate, egoic, self-obsessed, sense of self - the pattern of separation that is unreal at its root.

What is a Conditional being; one that exists as a spirit which is eternal in vessel that has limited time span? The human is allowed to have an EGO (untethered), Buddhists say ban it/reel it in; why? The Ego is not intrinsically evil, it actually if utilized positively exhibits genius as regards to creativity. What do humans have other than self obsessiveness; God has not manifested in material form other than EVERYTHING surrounding them that screams: I AM HERE!

a reply to: vethumanbeing
Right, the ego is not intrinsically evil as you say - it is just an illusion that we create moment-to-moment by contracting as a point-of-view via the mechanism of attention. This gives us the illusion of the ego-I as an entity, when it is just the felt sense of contraction of the body-mind. There is no such self-entity.

We can identify "I" as the whole body-mind for communication purposes, etc., but there is no such ego-I apart from or inside the body-mind.

If we stop doing this self-contracting to generate this illusory sense of self, energy begins to flow more freely again. The head, heart, and body are able to feel whole again, and not independent of the environment that we are actually completely dependent on.

originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: Krazysh0t

maybe s/he was a little bi-curious?

What is evil?
Killing is evil,lying is evil, slandering is evil,abuse is evil, gossip is evil, envy is evil,hatred is evil....etc...
Says who?
your heart or your court or your mum?

That's a good question. Where does the definition of evil truly come from? My op was intended to show the hypocrisy of the Christian account of evil. I really don't believe that either good or evil exist. To me, good is just the majority of the population's moral code and evil is when you violate it. The subjectivity of how this works makes it highly unlikely that any particular moral code is more correct than any other. Therefore there is no way to be truly evil or truly good.

Our brain is not designed to be sweet and cuddly all the time
btw I see u are a pot fan?
if u care to share ?
when y have a puff of ur magic dragon what type of experience do u have?

Can't. It's against the T&C to discuss usage.

I am the one not funny percenter unfair to the 99%
can u snapshot ur avatar into my threat can't see it and am curious

The South Park one?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

oh I have lost everything I have written
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

ok
I am not sure if u do follow any religion
I am a Christian not by choice but NOW by choice
It is very easy for more to close one eye on few bits because at the end of a day the moral of the story is what I do like. I do have a different opinion on some stuff but ultimately I do admire the work of god and Jesus himself it doesn't matter how but why..
(and as u know I can still joke about it)

Anyway i am not going to push Christianity here on no one but I do believe the social rules and norms mentioned in the new testament and the 10commandmets are a very good start for a pre-conventional and conventional stages of moral development.
After that it is difficult almost pointless to debunk someone's believe. only we can change our own believe system we created for ourselves as adults when we have established a complete outlook(opinion) on social contract and universal principles. that foundation is hard to shake let alone letting someone else shake it.