Why did God create evil?

originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: Krazysh0t

lol u know an awful lot about a religion u don't accept

I was raised Catholic and my parents used to send me to Sunday school on the regular after church.

originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I wrote this else where this is what I think when It comes to bible(religion) .well at some point we had to establish some basic rules of what is acceptable to society and what is not the 10 commanding rules were established and if you don't obey these simple rules for morons, big monster will come and burn u all in armageddon .back then I guess with freedom starting to be demanded something else had to keep us under control

ok like what would u do if u found a bunch of amazon folks eating and bashing each other and u had to bring them into civilization. I guess somewhere along the lines u would add stuff like police , judge, court Goverment that will punish u for certain stuff that is a no no. they probably think the same think about the most powerful top dog stuff we are discussing here about god. and they probably label u their Jesus .

problem is when that religion as it is now is turned again to fit someone's propaganda

Why do you assume that those amazon folks are uncivilized? That is the first mistake you make. Just because a society of people isn't technologically on the same level as we are or uses the same exact forms of government, doesn't mean they are uncivilized. That is where the derogatory name "savages" came from when speaking about Native Americans.

Fun Fact: Ben Franklin apparently had more respect towards Natives being civilized than he did Europeans. He wrote about it considerably.

a reply to: MimiSia

The Job story minus all the religious significance would be a nice inspirational story. With all the god stuff, it just comes off as petty on God's part.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
God did not create evil, this is yet another massive misconception. God created Satan, who had free will, who chose to be defiant which led to him being evil. God created Mankind which has the power of freewill which grants the capacity for good, and evil but it is up to man to decide which to use.

And thuss Mankind created evil, Satan as the whisperer tempts man to use his freewill for bad.

Why must everyone blame God for everything? Why does no one ever thank god for everything? God brought you into existence, did he ask for anything in return? He created the earth for you, did he ask for a receipt or payment? You woke up to day and you are still breathing, count it as a blessing that you are alive even.

Well according to Christianity, God DOES demand your undying worship and servitude in exchange. He used to destroy large swathes of people indiscriminately for not obeying His edicts.

God didn't force you to be evil, and did not even coerce you into committing any evil acts, man did that all by himself.

You should stop and ask yourself where God went wrong with anything... or was it mankind?

God set some pretty nasty examples as punishments for misbehavior. Things like punishing the kin of a sinner. The kin several generations removed from a sinner would have no idea what they are even being punished for, but still get God's wrath. If God's punishment system were incorporated into modern governments, then the white people of America would all be in jail for the sins of our forefathers for things like slavery and manifest destiny.

Okay while I cannot represent the Christian scripture, because too me I find a few contradictions/ incomplete texts, I do put forward all my statements based on the teachings of the Quran. Where God asks that you submit to him, and worship him as the one and only creator for your benefit only, not his benefit. As God neither needs you to pray for him , or needs you at all.

Yea, I've been meaning to delve more thoroughly into Islamic teachings so that I can better debate that religion, but as it stands I am woefully under equipped in this venture. I will have to defer to your words on this one.

a reply to: BlueMule

I'll put it on my list.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Punishment is one thing, but punishing others for the your actions is where I draw the line. Having your kin suffer for your transgressions isn't fair. Blowing up whole cities for the devious actions of a few isn't fair.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

There are plenty of other inspirational people who lived in our past. Giving primary credit to Jesus opens you up to critiquing of the bad parts of your bible.

when u talk generally u are right
but no it does not apply to me as a whole yes u are right it all started by being against my "religion" I had no choice to not be a part of. because i was so furious with it all and with this retarded world I disattached from everyone and everything I burned every bridge and disconnected from everything and everyone and lived unemotional and refused to myself any emotion good or bad. I put a double brick around my heart so nothing gets in and nothing gets out. after seven years living like this (I don't love anything or anybody specifically neither do I let anyone love me ) I have ultimately learned to love unconditionally all creation. I have learned to appreciate even humans we are beautiful creatures to observe. it doesn't matter what happens ultimately even if it is "evil" I know I have no right to judge others. so I am left with noticing way more pleasurable side of people . I have zero humor in me I find pleasure in letting people give me the laughter and happiness as a whole because I don't seek to find "someone" or "something " for my life because nobody and nothing singularly can fulfill me

a reply to: Krazysh0t

you are right I don't know what I would think about amazon people. but when it comes to times like cannibals eating other humans or sharlatants and how they deal with a girl who had schizophrenia( lets just say I don't know exactly what mental illness she had) and they force her to shake her head and bang it against rock for 4-6 hours everyday to shake the voices out oh her or tribes were males have sex with females without them wanting it or tribes whey the tigh a rope around a kids leg and pushed them of 3-4m highest but the rope is 5-6m long(?) so they actually hit the ground because of their believe it will bring them closer to their god or pulling snakes and needles through someone's moth nose eyelids because that is what their god wants makes me kind of freaking shiver.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

Punishment is one thing, but punishing others for the your actions is where I draw the line. Having your kin suffer for your transgressions isn't fair. Blowing up whole cities for the devious actions of a few isn't fair.

I completely agree with this.

a reply to: MimiSia

I have a deep respect for the universe and the wondrous things in it. Studying astronomy really opens your eyes to the vast wonders of the universe. It totally makes the nonsense that religions talk about look like grade school stories. To me, religion is a WAY too simple of an explanation for the universe. Things are SO much more complex and that is where they go wrong.

Religion tries to oversimplify everything. That is how we end up with the dualistic paradigm of "good versus evil". When you try to constrain everything into one of two broad categories, you will end up with contradictions and oddities.

a reply to: MimiSia

Yea, much of that is nasty, but keep in mind that Christians used to burn "witches" at the stake. They used to torture non-believers. In today's day and age they treat women going to get abortions like they are the scum of the earth. Muslims wage fanatical warfare across the third world, and the jewish religion appears to be the most racist of the lot (though they do keep to themselves, which is fair). My point here is that all societies no matter how "civilized" undertake barbaric acts quite regularly.

Here is Ben Franklin talking about the "savages". It's a great read and really hits home the remarks I made above.
Remarks concerning the Savages of North America

a reply to: Krazysh0t

yes I stand behind u on what u said 100%
my best aha and most overwhelming moment was when I was first time in observatory. i cried like a little biatch. that is why I love this world infinitely. the odds of having this planet are mind buzzing for me. I will do anything in my power to start a "green" business to pump enough money into protects that help earths environment, children and to push for abolishment of religious dogma used for politics. that is what I want my legacy to be no matter how big or small.

a reply to: MimiSia

Good luck. We need more people like you. Types that can separate their religion from their politics and have the empathy to care for the planet. To me, that spells out the Christian ideals more than most conservative Christians. Conservative Christians always base their decisions on greed then rationalize their position through the bible. How can you be pro-war and be a Christian? How can you not want to help the poor and be a Christian?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This is something that truly perplexes the mind. God is supposed to be the creator of everything. The universe, heaven, angels, hell, etc. God is supposed to be all that is good. We are supposed to strive towards God, so why did God need to create evil to juxtapose against His goodness? Couldn't God in His omnipotence have just created humans that intuitively appreciate good without evil to contrast it to?

God does all this apparently so that when He has decided that evil has ran rampant throughout the earth for long enough, He can wage one final war against evil. But again, God is responsible for all of this. He created it. He allows it to continue. He could end it at any time. Sounds like a sick joke to me.

God knows polarities are "GAME PlAYING". Evil versus good is the form you would understand. Neither is true. It is the fulcrum or the "nothing" or the NOW that matters as you exist; ignore the past the future; live in the present 'now' your immediate 'awareness' of the moment in that existence. I think about the Smiths Song "How Soon Is Now". I think about the poster known as "ItsNowAgain" and the beauty of both phrases. I would add, "When is Now"?

Logic 101:

Humans are evil, Humans created God :: God is evil

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Simple only after years of asking the lord but I'll try the best as I can to explain,

God truly loves us and truly desires us to love him and his son in freewill not forced like a slave, a true bride and church pleasing to the father and son,now I know you have anger even as you read this but please refrain and please try to read everything then put it together. To think on a human perspective that God would allow the devil to deceive Eve and get Adam to eat that apple and we all got knowledge of good and evil and instantly became ashamed and hid from God and we were drove from the garden and Eve and all woman would have labor pains, periods and men would toil the land all of our days (back in he day literal farm hard work, nowadays most are not in the rural areas so most are stuck including myself in the monopoly money fiat currency debt slave paycheck to paycheck life.) and all the negative crap to date. I'll say it IT sucks from a human perspective especially if you don't have a relationship with the lord and know the whole plan. Now I have shown clearly a crap hand of cards given humanity per say right, now look in God's eyes for a second. Now he has to manifest himself flesh i.e. Jesus christ and bare all our sins on the cross and die for us in the flesh for his love for us to be made whole and complete. God a father now has to watch his son beaten, ridiculed, and later crucified on the cross just for us because he allowed the devil a footing in the first place, doesn't make since right? It all goes back to he wants us to freely choose him and we can't do that without free will and all this had to transpire to get those results. That how much God loves us to allow everything as according to his will greater than ours what we can't understand or see he understands and sees and in time all will come to fruition. In the eyes of the lord if only 2 people on the entire earth were saved he would still let everything happen as it as because he loves us that much and is one of the main reasons the devil and most the fallen rebelled because of in the first place we of all creations were made in his image, we are his most favorite and loved creation present. We were made for so much more everything in the life is training for the next phase, even your finger show this as we have five fingers and spiritually we are connected to the 5th dimension the lord's holy domain if we have a relationship with his son Jesus christ. Our eyes have the same shape as the Pisces symbol referenced also with Jesus the fisher of men and intercessor for man and God just as our eyes have been called gateways to our soul so is Jesus the true gateway for our souls and re-connection with God our true father like was had before the fall. This is what we christians refer as the shedding of the old self and acquiring the new self. Refinement is a life long pursuit if we falter if we give up we become luke warm. I'am in a refinement always and I won't lie even as hard as I try I still sin from time to time it's hard and we are stuck in this filthy flesh it's hard, but as christians we know even if we fall we can ask for forgiveness and try to learn from and try to not go back to those ways. God knows it's hard even the apostles failed from time to time it happens it doesn't mean you have to burn in hell, just acknowledge it and try to do better. God knows if we are really trying or not and will reward each other accordingly. We just need to be lights for each other, love each other and treat each other as we would like to be treated, the rest of the laws can be hung from this. God Bless and may we all receive the Lord Jesus in these times and preserve and receive our crowns.

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originally posted by: FaceMyBook
Logic 101:

Humans are evil, Humans created God :: God is evil

God is also expressing the exact opposite; GOOD. Why focus on only one of the polarities or dualities? God allows for all experiences [you to gain/have to choose from]. Humans are not evil. If you so believe this God is Evil of intent. YOU ARE WRONG and misjudging God as IIT ALLOWS ALL MANIFESTATIONS THEREOF. You cannot sit in judgment of your own CREATOR BEING.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

You cannot sit in judgment of your own CREATOR BEING

Why not? What puts a 'CREATOR BEING' above judgement?

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: FaceMyBook
Logic 101:

Humans are evil, Humans created God :: God is evil

You cannot sit in judgment of your own CREATOR BEING.

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originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: vethumanbeing

vhb
You cannot sit in judgment of your own CREATOR BEING

Prezbo369: Why not? What puts a 'CREATOR BEING' above judgement?

Nothing; you CAN judge IT, however you will discover you are making an argument against YOURSELF, as you are part and particle of your creator, (similar to looking into a mirror and seeing yourself looking back; pointing a finger).