Why did God create evil?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

angels have free will(in my opinion) in religion I look at it as simple as
imagine what parent(creator) would not give free will to their children(all of us including angels) and love them unconditionally.
the whole go good and evil is in my opinion picturing a ying and yang sign black(lol I had to swop it) is good, male, positive and the white is the bad, female negative but ultimately as whole it is neutral so god is the circle around.
and this is a what was first chicken or an egg
debate: when it comes to morals and ethics god (the all creating loving force) and how sociaty shaped us go hand in hand. like who knows why as a kid u do know punching ur parent in face is wrong did ur heart (the original universal love) automatically tell u or is it the believes of ur parents(sociaty) that rubbed on u when they told u that is a big no no.(???? who knows I deffinately don't know claiming that I established my believe because I remember how I felt about stuff btw 0-3years of age is redicilous)

originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: Krazysh0t

ok
I am not sure if u do follow any religion

I don't. I view religion as a human created system to control the lives of lots of people.

[quote[] am a Christian not by choice but NOW by choice
It is very easy for more to close one eye on few bits because at the end of a day the moral of the story is what I do like. I do have a different opinion on some stuff but ultimately I do admire the work of god and Jesus himself it doesn't matter how but why..
(and as u know I can still joke about it)

There are plenty of other inspirational people who lived in our past. Giving primary credit to Jesus opens you up to critiquing of the bad parts of your bible.

Anyway i am not going to push Christianity here on no one but I do believe the social rules and norms mentioned in the new testament and the 10commandmets are a very good start for a pre-conventional and conventional stages of moral development.
After that it is difficult almost pointless to debunk someone's believe. only we can change our own believe system we created for ourselves as adults when we have established a complete outlook(opinion) on social contract and universal principles. that foundation is hard to shake let alone letting someone else shake it.

Yes, confirmation biases ARE hard to break, and everyone has them. Even I have my own biases. The key is to recognize the ones you have so that you can abandon them if they are shown to be incorrect.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

there are many inspirational people yes sadly not recognized for it
first I don't believe the whole virgin story but what I love about this story is that someone saw one big issue with this sociaty
(my favorite Jesus's quote/throw a stone if u never sinned before) and his was willing to go to the extend to die for his believes. if I was brave enough I would also stand in front of thousands of people on top of a building and I would jump with a suicide note around my neck saying I took my life because people are intolerant rasists and earth abusers and that my only dying wish was for everybody to tolerate and respect eachother and earth. to me that is who he was and what he has done. And somehow his legacy lasted 2015 years

a reply to: MimiSia

I think the guy standing up to the tanks in Tienanmen Square did more for social equality in this day and age than Jesus has.

To understand this dated question, one must first define evil. Evil in general is something we try to avoid. It is the opposite of good. God is considered the ultimate good, and thus evil is often considered the opposite of God. This creates the question of, if God is all good, why then did He create evil and why does he tolerate the existence of evil? The problem with this line of thought is that it creates a very narrow dualistic philosophy. Yes, God tolerates evil because it's something He created, but it's not the kind of evil we think of. There are two kinds of 'evil.'

Of some of the examples provided of God allowing bad things to happen, that is what is known as 'necessary evil.' This includes illness, pain, suffering, death, and generally the bad kinds of things that people don't want to happen to them... or rather, the results of sinful or foolish actions. This kind of 'evil' is from God. That is a natural kind of 'evil' that God provided for us and allows us to experience as consequence for our actions. This kind of evil by it's own merit is not inherently 'bad' since it's the result of another action, not the action itself.

The kind of evil we experience the most however is man made; or sinfulness. This includes classics such as murder, rape, stealing, violence... all the things that people do because of free will. This kind of evil is going against God and is thus 'willful evil,' since the individual is opposing God (ultimate good). The question of why this kind of evil exists has already been answered; because there would be no point if free will did not exist. Life is a series of good and bad decisions... a battleground. Willful evil is simply making a bad decision, and necessary evil is a result of that action.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I never heard of it I will have a look
I take out what I need out of all religions and philosophies
But given me being baptised and going through the whole think because my father raised me Christian I struggled so much with that idea. when I first opened the bible and read few first pages (old testament) I almost threw up I never opened that section again. Then I read the new testament and I can resonate with it and it actually does play to an extended into my believes. If I do ever have kids just the whole thing like godparents, then taking them to church to sing songs with others now and then, celebrating Easter and Christmas does fit how I want my family to have some traditions (if I will ever have one ). I will never make them to stick to this religion as is it is idiotic I would encourage them to form worldwide views. I just know with my father (even fudging politics and laws are still embeding god in it) they will get to know what Christianity is and I don't want them to struggle with it like me . I want nothing more the to ebolish religious dogmas (it is used and abused for monetary purposes and other bs) it sickens me that we can't unite in the idea that our believes are not respected(as long as they don't hurt anyone)

I have to be honest I have not read anything between ur original post to u responding to me. I guarantee ,u are getting bombarded and I guarantee I will get furious at some responses to u. So I chill a little have a little breather and actually will read through what u said.

and just to close this off I believe nature is beautiful but cruel and I think the only source of evil are humans. If an animal kills something for food are they evil? is all rubbish.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

plus the Biblical version of Jesus was marely and idea in fact I view him as a rebel against a corrupt system.
Rather, he was crucified next to fellow rebels, whose crime, like his, was agitating for Jewish independence.

And this is everything him and his"followers did" so I can label him as the "first one to stand up for human rights" and still very much relevant (the scripts in bible about this serve as records of these events)

Including the Excluded
Showing compassion toward social outsiders
Protesting gender inequality
Embracing the excluded Children
Challenging Cultural Practices

Rejecting racism
Samaritan work
Risking one’s reputation
Drunkards and prostitutes (throw a stone if u haven't done something stupid in your life)
Confronting the Powerful

Challenging unjust behaviour
Tax collecting large amounts from poor
Confronting the spiritually arrogant Pharisees
Reordering political power
Government rulers that are unjust
Advocating for the Oppressed

Advocating for the poor Hungry, sick and imprisoned
Advocating for the under privileged by rich rulers

Humans created evil . And we have got very good at it with practice .

originally posted by: MimiSia
a reply to: Krazysh0t

plus the Biblical version of Jesus was marely and idea in fact I view him as a rebel against a corrupt system.
Rather, he was crucified next to fellow rebels, whose crime, like his, was agitating for Jewish independence.

I find this highly plausible myself.

And this is everything him and his"followers did" so I can label him as the "first one to stand up for human rights" and still very much relevant (the scripts in bible about this serve as records of these events)

I'm not sure he stood up for human rights in so much that he stood up against corruption in the Jewish church. Jesus lived in the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire already practiced freedom of religion. That's why the Jews weren't being persecuted that ended up persecuting Jesus.

Including the Excluded
Showing compassion toward social outsiders
Protesting gender inequality
Embracing the excluded Children
Challenging Cultural Practices

Rejecting racism
Samaritan work
Risking one’s reputation
Drunkards and prostitutes (throw a stone if u haven't done something stupid in your life)
Confronting the Powerful

Challenging unjust behaviour
Tax collecting large amounts from poor
Confronting the spiritually arrogant Pharisees
Reordering political power
Government rulers that are unjust
Advocating for the Oppressed

Advocating for the poor Hungry, sick and imprisoned
Advocating for the under privileged by rich rulers

He certainly would be called a Liberal in today's times.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

i actually think this is the most accurate but didn't say it

I'm not sure he stood up for human rights in so much that he stood up against corruption in the Jewish church. Jesus lived in the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire already practiced freedom of religion. That's why the Jews weren't being persecuted that ended up persecuting Jesus.

going to read ur full opinion now

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
This is something that truly perplexes the mind. God is supposed to be the creator of everything. The universe, heaven, angels, hell, etc. God is supposed to be all that is good. We are supposed to strive towards God, so why did God need to create evil to juxtapose against His goodness? Couldn't God in His omnipotence have just created humans that intuitively appreciate good without evil to contrast it to?

Because God creates evil, this allows his angels to rebel against him and commit the ultimate sin against God. So more importantly, why did God let Satan and all the other betrayer angels survive knowing that they'd go on to tempt man in the ways of evil? Why didn't God destroy these betrayer angels on the spot? In the Old Testament, God isn't adverse to destroying whole cities for reprehensible evil, yet God can't bring himself to destroying angels that have committed the sin of war against God.

This allows these angels to supposedly go on and tempt man into the ways of evil. And again, we see God punishing man for falling to the temptations of these fallen angels (devils now). God doesn't ever hold these devils accountable for their actions. He just indiscriminately lays waste to large parts of the world killing sinner and believer alike for the actions that originated from a group that remains outside of judgment from God.

God does all this apparently so that when He has decided that evil has ran rampant throughout the earth for long enough, He can wage one final war against evil. But again, God is responsible for all of this. He created it. He allows it to continue. He could end it at any time. Sounds like a sick joke to me.

God did not create evil, this is yet another massive misconception. God created Satan, who had free will, who chose to be defiant which led to him being evil. God created Mankind which has the power of freewill which grants the capacity for good, and evil but it is up to man to decide which to use.

And thuss Mankind created evil, Satan as the whisperer tempts man to use his freewill for bad.

Why must everyone blame God for everything? Why does no one ever thank god for everything? God brought you into existence, did he ask for anything in return? He created the earth for you, did he ask for a receipt or payment? You woke up to day and you are still breathing, count it as a blessing that you are alive even.

God didn't force you to be evil, and did not even coerce you into committing any evil acts, man did that all by himself.

You should stop and ask yourself where God went wrong with anything... or was it mankind?

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
God did not create evil, this is yet another massive misconception. God created Satan, who had free will, who chose to be defiant which led to him being evil. God created Mankind which has the power of freewill which grants the capacity for good, and evil but it is up to man to decide which to use.

And thuss Mankind created evil, Satan as the whisperer tempts man to use his freewill for bad.

Why must everyone blame God for everything? Why does no one ever thank god for everything? God brought you into existence, did he ask for anything in return? He created the earth for you, did he ask for a receipt or payment? You woke up to day and you are still breathing, count it as a blessing that you are alive even.

Well according to Christianity, God DOES demand your undying worship and servitude in exchange. He used to destroy large swathes of people indiscriminately for not obeying His edicts.

God didn't force you to be evil, and did not even coerce you into committing any evil acts, man did that all by himself.

You should stop and ask yourself where God went wrong with anything... or was it mankind?

God set some pretty nasty examples as punishments for misbehavior. Things like punishing the kin of a sinner. The kin several generations removed from a sinner would have no idea what they are even being punished for, but still get God's wrath. If God's punishment system were incorporated into modern governments, then the white people of America would all be in jail for the sins of our forefathers for things like slavery and manifest destiny.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I wrote this else where this is what I think when It comes to bible(religion) .well at some point we had to establish some basic rules of what is acceptable to society and what is not the 10 commanding rules were established and if you don't obey these simple rules for morons, big monster will come and burn u all in armageddon .back then I guess with freedom starting to be demanded something else had to keep us under control

ok like what would u do if u found a bunch of amazon folks eating and bashing each other and u had to bring them into civilization. I guess somewhere along the lines u would add stuff like police , judge, court Goverment that will punish u for certain stuff that is a no no. they probably think the same think about the most powerful top dog stuff we are discussing here about god. and they probably label u their Jesus .

problem is when that religion as it is now is turned again to fit someone's propaganda

a reply to: Krazysh0t

lol u know an awful lot about a religion u don't accept

God guided mankind, he set down the guidelines to benefit YOU not HIM. Those guidelines are for your own good health and fortune. Time on this earth is limited in comparison to eternity, and so if you want to use your short stay here on earth to do bad things and then blame God for setting the scene... you are only fooling yourself.


God gave you all the tools you need to live productive lives and to do good because you have a brain, and you have free will, and you have wiser people around you that will educate you and advise you... on top of this you had God saying very clearly in his guidelines that you should not do such and such evil acts like Murder, and that you should be patient and build communities and strengthen ties of kinship (obviously as a deterrent to suicidal tendencies or negative vibes that often lead to committing crimes)... if despite all of this you commit evil then whose fault is that? Certainly not Gods

Obviously not everything in life goes according to plan, does that mean that God wasn't listening? Or that you are not a patient? Some people are born into a hectic environment more prone to setting an individual up for a life of crime from a young age, but God will judge you when you have come of age and can discern for yourself what is bad and what is good. This is why he gave us a concious as well as emotions such as guilt and sadness.

You cannot see what other subtle work God may have done within an individuals life to prevent him from doing evil, this is another deeper subject, but if the topic is concerned with God, then it's a valid concept that God sends us personal messages and prevents events from taking place so as to lead us onto righteous paths, ways that will only be apparent to the individual in question.

But if you want to tell me that naturally, mankind is evil by nature, then I strongly disagree.

If you pose the question, "Okay so why does god let people do bad things, and why does it have to affect my life?"

This is a much deeper question, maybe for another topic?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

on page2
u have something that reminds me of the Job story I thought what the hell?

but if u re read it ultimately "god" is not responsible for what horrible stuff can strike us in this life and I re read the story and it just says to have always faith .things will get better and whey they are not good is so easy for us to become hating jealous bitter not just to ourselves but to everything around us. so that story kinda made sense to me after the second time reading it.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
God did not create evil, this is yet another massive misconception. God created Satan, who had free will, who chose to be defiant which led to him being evil. God created Mankind which has the power of freewill which grants the capacity for good, and evil but it is up to man to decide which to use.

And thuss Mankind created evil, Satan as the whisperer tempts man to use his freewill for bad.

Why must everyone blame God for everything? Why does no one ever thank god for everything? God brought you into existence, did he ask for anything in return? He created the earth for you, did he ask for a receipt or payment? You woke up to day and you are still breathing, count it as a blessing that you are alive even.

Well according to Christianity, God DOES demand your undying worship and servitude in exchange. He used to destroy large swathes of people indiscriminately for not obeying His edicts.

God didn't force you to be evil, and did not even coerce you into committing any evil acts, man did that all by himself.

You should stop and ask yourself where God went wrong with anything... or was it mankind?

God set some pretty nasty examples as punishments for misbehavior. Things like punishing the kin of a sinner. The kin several generations removed from a sinner would have no idea what they are even being punished for, but still get God's wrath. If God's punishment system were incorporated into modern governments, then the white people of America would all be in jail for the sins of our forefathers for things like slavery and manifest destiny.

Okay while I cannot represent the Christian scripture, because too me I find a few contradictions/ incomplete texts, I do put forward all my statements based on the teachings of the Quran. Where God asks that you submit to him, and worship him as the one and only creator for your benefit only, not his benefit. As God neither needs you to pray for him , or needs you at all.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

i love ur responses u know everything that is wrong with the whole story
ultimately I know u know what is right
I appreciate ur guts to get into a discussion about it
tough task lol

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Read the Upanishads.

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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Punishment is a necessary requirement in my opinion, it just acts as another deterrent to mankind commiting evil/ sins. You don't get punished for doing good things, you get punished for doing realy bad things.

And if the punishment is severe, then yes you are way less inclined to commit it in the first place. And if you did go ahead and commit the serious crime anyway than you must have been willingly ignoring Gods rules, your inner voice/ conciousness telling you ''Don't do this dave'', as well as anyone else that might have stood in your way - preventing you from committing the crime.

Thus if you were so willing in committing the crime, and done so, then why not receive severe punishment? In response to the sever repercussions of you actions?

Extreme circumstances require extreme measures.

We all punish people everyday, whether it's your kid for eating too much chocolate and you put him on a diet, or in the workplace in the form of disciplinary action. If it is the level of punishment that is in question then that is up for debate, but remember in Islam some forms of punishment require the persons own admission/confession as well as several witnesses.


And thus, God has put in place many safeguards against a person receiving punishment... as a last resort.. so again.. who is to blame?