Why did God create evil?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'm still waiting for someone to answer why God doesn't punish all the demons in hell for corrupting humans on earth while at the same time mercilessly punishing humans on earth who may not even be guilty of having been corrupted by demons.

Sodom. Gomorrah. The audacity to assume that every man, woman, and child punished during these events was evil is just ridiculous. But regardless. Not a single demon is held accountable for corrupting people. The only time that God strikes out at the fallen angels is when he uses the Great Flood to kill the Nephilim. Naturally, that wipes out most of humanity. Nothing like the scorched earth policy when it comes to punishing misbehavior

Then we have the Tower of Babel. I'm not even entirely sure what humans did wrong here, but the punishment has by far spawned the most hardship and difficulty of any violent punishment God could give out. The creation of the language barrier has made it incredibly easy to spread evil. After all, why should you sympathize with someone you can't understand? We are STILL reaping the repercussions of this punishment today. In fact, I'd say that the Tower of Babel punishment is God batting for the other team. It's something that Satan would think up...

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That would take away the fear of punishment to keep people in line.

God seems to use Satan to stay in business, kinda like how the American government uses terrorism to keep people in fear and complacent about wars being fought. Same same. No Satan, no business.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Yeah. I'm aware of the name of the game. I can see past the duplicity. I'm just trying to get an idea of how the religious rationalize the irrational.

It's funny reading the Bible though. God blesses us and demands our worship then does all sorts of nasty tricks to lead us in the wrong direction. Then celebrates this fact by loudly proclaiming his actions in a book.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I know you do my friend.

The best answer you'll probably get is that free will is taken away if there is no evil. That's to ignore the fact that sinful humans' free will was taken away while they were writing the bible. If the bible is incorruptible and it was written by corruptable humans, that means their free will to deceive was taken away from them.

Why couldn't God do the same but on a much bigger scale instead of just with the bible?

Sorry if I'm going off topic, your question just got me thinking a bit.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

It is a sick joke.

God created evil to cause suffering. It's through the suffering of others that the cheapest form of power is attained.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Then we get to the ultimate weirdness. The account of the demi-god named Jesus. After all this self-creating evil. God decides that his current scorched earth policy isn't working so he creates Jesus the "son of god". Nevermind that humans are already supposed to be the children of god. Clearly humans are still more important than Jesus though, because Jesus' entire purpose is to die violently so he can save us from the evil that God created and allowed to propagate throughout the world because He didn't take care of the problem at the source.

The answer to all of this is of course, "God works in mysterious ways." Mysterious maybe. Completely bass ackwards? Definitely.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I'm still waiting for someone to answer why God doesn't punish all the demons in hell for corrupting humans on earth while at the same time mercilessly punishing humans on earth who may not even be guilty of having been corrupted by demons.

Sodom. Gomorrah. The audacity to assume that every man, woman, and child punished during these events was evil is just ridiculous. But regardless. Not a single demon is held accountable for corrupting people. The only time that God strikes out at the fallen angels is when he uses the Great Flood to kill the Nephilim. Naturally, that wipes out most of humanity. Nothing like the scorched earth policy when it comes to punishing misbehavior

Then we have the Tower of Babel. I'm not even entirely sure what humans did wrong here, but the punishment has by far spawned the most hardship and difficulty of any violent punishment God could give out. The creation of the language barrier has made it incredibly easy to spread evil. After all, why should you sympathize with someone you can't understand? We are STILL reaping the repercussions of this punishment today. In fact, I'd say that the Tower of Babel punishment is God batting for the other team. It's something that Satan would think up...

You keep attacking things from the Bible, as if Christianity is the only view of religion. I thought you were an Atheist but now I'm beginning to think you're an "anti-Christian Atheist" (my made-up term). Maybe if you studied other religions and their interpretations of things, you wouldn't have such a harsh view of religion.

In Islam, there's no concept of "fallen angels". Angels have no free will and only exist to do God's bidding. Those sentenced to Hell are punished by Angels. Even Shaytan (aka "The Devil") will be punished in Hell after Judgment Day.

As for evil & righteousness, I already explained in this thread what that's all about.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

"God sent himself to sacrifice himself to himself to save us from himself."

Makes perfect sense! Convoluted? Absolutely. Necessary? Depends on if you have faith in such a convoluted and unnecessary system.

I think God destroying all those people in the OT for worshipping false gods was him taking away their free will to do so. But let's ignore that contradiction, hell is pretty scary you know.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
LOL! This is definitely another example of why the creator God notion just is not the case.

Christians, and really everyone who believes in an all-powerful Creator-God, must question some of these types of arguments - but unfortunately many people are too distracted with their search, their consumerism, etc., to really care all that much. Or at least not until they are suffering, and then they want God to help them out. Sounds pretty childish.

Of course, some people are real in their understanding and intention, and do question their inherited beliefs.

There are some who understand that Jesus was a spiritual Master who initiated followers into the spiritual understanding of the unity that is the "substance" in which all appears and disappears. In fact, his two great commandments point to this indivisibility. He called people to take responsibility for their lives with those commandments.

What men did, especially Paul, to make these profound esoteric teachings of Jesus nearly forgotten, is another matter. That was man, not God nor Jesus who did that.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Can't answer for Christians...


But I'll try and explain it in an Islamic sense...



God created Angels, made of light (perhaps metaphorical light)...
God then created Djinn, made of fire (perhaps metaphorical fire)...
God then created Humans, made of clay (perhaps metaphorical clay)...

Angels had no free will, they were created to protect heaven, spread the word, & guide people...

Djinn were similar, but had free will...

Humans were given earthly domain, again with free will...



When Humans were created God asked/ordered the Angels & Djinn to bow to his magnificent creation of Man...
His best work so far...


Iblis, a Djinn (the devil perhaps), refused...
With free will deciding that there was none better than the Djinn...

God cast Iblis & his followers down...
The fallen Djinn...


Iblis, knowing God was merciful, stuck to his guns and requested respite for judgement until Judgement Day...
God agreed...

Iblis said he would do his best to prove that man was fallible to God...
Would whisper and lead us astray...
Sending us to Jahannam in place of himself and the fallen...
For he felt he was right...



Now, this is why Islamically, Iblis hasn't been punished...
1) Personal responsibility (whispers are not enough to change someone's free will)
2) Judgement Day still cometh...




The reason we say fallen Djinn, rather than Angel...
Is because Angels cannot disobey God...
They were created to do his bidding, so to speak...
So it's oxy moronical to call them fallen Angels, in our opinion...




Why did transgressions get worse?
Why has evil persisted and gradually worsened?


Because of "the devil"?

I don't blame the devil for the Stalins, Blairs & Hitlers of the world...

I blame the Stalins, Blairs & Hitlers...




But their hierarchical philosophy of the haves and have nots...
Maybe, maybe that will be layed on the shoulders of the devil...

For he tempted man enough to envy what we cannot understand...
& we have no way of knowing, if it's actually an enviable position...

If I pictured God as a man/woman, I see a tearful man/woman...

But I cannot even comprehend what an sad God would feel...
My human emotions/mind negate such.




Not so much why he created evil, not that I'm saying he did, but more a reason for why he hasn't just punished the devil already!

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I speak about Christianity because it is the religion I am most familiar with. I question Christianity's dogma because the majority of religious on these forums are Christian.

Though your point about Shaytan being punished in Hell on Judgment day is actually true of Christianity as well. The Book of Revelation actually spells out that hell is just a lake of burning sulfur and its only purpose is to punish the devil. Christianity of the middle ages made up the whole "burning in hell tripe". Though that is the dogma of the day, so it's worth questioning.

As for your point about good and evil. I don't agree. Things are judged as evil today that would have been judged as good or benign back in the times of the bible. Things like slavery. How can one determine their goodness or evilness if a few hundred years down the line something they thought was a normal part of life becomes vile and evil?

Like I said earlier, good and evil don't exist. All is just shades of gray.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I think God destroying all those people in the OT for worshipping false gods was him taking away their free will to do so.

While I agree it sounds contradictory...

What if those people who worshiped other than God, were forcing it onto others...

So you get burned alive for Moloch despite believeing in Yehova?


Not agreeing, or saying it happened...

Just wondering on your take 3NL1GHT3N3D1.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

That is an interesting account of the Islamic tradition (I'd say mythology), and it definitely explains some of the Christian loopholes a bit better.

Question, does Satan (or Iblis) tempt Eve in the garden in Islamic tradition? If so, where is the punishment for that? If evil's defeat is still preordained like in Christianity, then what's the point of worrying about it?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I'm just trying to rationalize the Christian account of why god created evil here. The logic doesn't make sense.

God did not created evil. Where in the bible says that God created Satan to be a bad guy?
God only gave us choices. We decide.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

My simple answer would be that god didn't create evil as much as evil created god.

I'm of the belief that man created religion for selfish gain and control over the masses...maybe that's just me.

a reply to: Abednego

The bible clearly says that god created the universe and everything in it. Therefore god created evil.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Iblis said he would do his best to prove that man was fallible to God...
Would whisper and lead us astray...
Sending us to Jahannam in place of himself and the fallen...
For he felt he was right...



Now, this is why Islamically, Iblis hasn't been punished...
1) Personal responsibility (whispers are not enough to change someone's free will)
2) Judgement Day still cometh...

So, all this..........we're all just "Job" to God and Iblis; a bet has been made, the challenge issued, we're merely pawns in the game. In the end, if we prove God right, we win, if not, we lose.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No that was a human choice by Eve & also Adam (who gets a bit of leeway from Catholicism)...

We also believe they were forgiven.


Original sin is not something we believe in.

a reply to: windword

Hmm, I suppose some could see it that way...

I don't feel like a pawn.
I feel guided to do the right thing. (Even before I had a religion I still believed in a battle between good and evil)



So I guess that's subjective to the individual.

The questions you asked make me wonder why people believe in god.

I guess most people need an excuse.

"It's god's will".

There is no "god".

If there is he's cruel and I don't love him / it....whatever.