NLBS #35: The Anti-Vaccination Movement and the Measles Outbreak

It is NOT that people shouldn't vaccinate your kids if it is safe to do so.

However - this movement against "anti-vaxxers" is dangerous to children and even adults today - who can't take those medications due to known adverse effects. It is they who are at increased risks when these communicable disease spring up in nature.

My cousins for example. They are allergic to all kinds of medications. Antibiotics that people gobble up like candy, are a death sentence to them if they are administered these life saving medicines. They cannot receive the immunity from those vaccines the rest of us are afforded. So they depend on the rest of the population's inoculation to help keep them well too.

Now because they are genetically pre-disposed to all sorts of disorders (MS, severe food and medicine allergies, congestive heart failure) - and cannot receive immunizations (I think some of them are safe so they have partial immunities.) I guess they should just get stuck in the arm anyways and when they die from their known adverse reaction to said medicine (vaccines) we should just shrug and say "Oh, well at least mine and my own are safe". ???

For me, this is once again - the media using fear and propaganda to fuel ratings and possibly an agenda to boost vaccine sales. What results is very polarized views, with people failing to objectively look at the real world concerns out there. Not everyone can vaccinate. Others vaccinate very carefully. Due to real medical concerns. Sheesh.

CdT

Just wait until they release the second H1N1 ingredient and all of you that took the shot in the first place will see consequences.

a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

I hear you on the vulnerability issue, totally.

It is, in fact, the "herd immunization" that protects vulnerable kids who are not able to have vaccines due to age or illness or genetics, etc.

If the "herd" chooses not to have that immunity, these individuals are at greater risk.

I just wish there was far more investigation into which populations of children should be considered vulnerable to vaccines.

My child's physician worked with me, incidentally, with both my boys, to spread out the number of vaccines given over time, so that several were not given on one day. (The MMR was still a three-in-one, but it was JUST that and no others. Sometimes doctors will give multiple shots in order to "keep on schedule" and that must be considered, too.)

I also kept my youngest out of day care (grateful that I could) for years in order to avoid regular colds/flu, etc., that in his case caused scary illnesses for a child with a serious CHD, and asthma-like reactions. Anytime we have a child with unique vulnerability and increased risk, it is an extra challenge to protect them.

The bottom line in all of this "to vaccinate or not to vaccinate" is that PARENTS WANT TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS!

peace,
AB

After reading through this thread and star counts for each post it would seem the readers voices have been heard and the only next level BS is what the OP is spewing. 0 stars for your supporters and many for those "so-called crazy anti-vax" people. It's good to know that the "movement" is growing strong and people are waking up to this vaccination insanity that truly is all about big money for Big Pharma and not about our well-being!

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord

originally posted by: deadeyedick

well it does say greater than 25 mcg so that leaves much wiggle room

The symbol used is a less-than symbol.

ok i guess i am backwards man. i have not used such in 20yrs

It is quite backwards

a reply to: deadeyedick
Greater than 25 would be: > 25 mcg
Less than 25 would be: < 25 mcg

International standard since 1631.

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
Does it matter if only one child dies if that child happens to be your flesh and blood? I think it does

Sure it does, but to live in fear of that when the possibility is a statistical anomoly is just plain uber-paranoid and not a good enough reason to artificially stimulate the immune system when it's unnecessary.

You know, you could get hit by a falling brick from a building today that could possibly kill you. Make sure you put on your hard hat or a helmet today--you know, just in case of that tiny, statistically insignificant chance that it'll happen.

You wouldn't even do that, yet you'll fill your body with crap that you don't need that really doesn't protect your life at all, just stops you from getting a illness with improbable complications. Hell, prior to the vaccination, the population of the U.S. was 180,000,000 people. Of those people:

From 1958 to 1962, the United States had an average of 503,282 cases and 432 deaths each year. (Measles reporting began in 1912; prior to this time, no statistics are available.) In large cities, epidemics often occurred every two to five years.

So, of the 180 million people, 0.0279601% of the population--unvaccinated, mind you, every 180 million of them--contracted measles. Of that 180 million people, 0.0000000024% of the U.S. population died from contracting measles.

I reassert my point that the statistical chances of my daughter or son or wife dying from contracting measles is at 0%, and I'm willing to take that bet because it's not even considered a bet.

As an aside, even in a world without a vaccine, an "epidemic" in large cities still only occurred every 2-5 years. Pardon me if I intelligently dispute all the pro-vax hype on this issue...

a reply to: deadeyedick

Remember...the side that the alligator is trying to bite is more, because it wants a bigger meal

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: deadeyedick

Greater than 25 would be: > 25 mcg

Less than 25 would be: < 25 mcg



International standard since 1631.

So because everyone else accepts stupidity does not mean i have too.

Common sense tells one that 25 would be less than because the smaller part of the symbol is facing the number

This is a prime example of how they program us to accept things that should not be

What do you think an advanced race would think of such? It definitly is not part of some cosmic laungauge. They laugh

My post are not showing up correctly just quote it to see what i ment

originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: deadeyedick



Remember...the side that the alligator is trying to bite is more, because it wants a bigger meal

remember that the bigger part of the symbol represents big or great and would then be saying greater and the little end pointing would be less than what ever comes next. this is the basis for mental programming. it was the first stop in confusing the masses

Once the numbers go from being 100% or 0% then there is always room for manipulation at that point. When you add money into the scenerio and a system that has told lies before it becomes very hard to trust even when the excuse of "child abuse" is thrown into the mix. We just can not know how many people will die tomorrow but we can guess and make claims in an attempt to make laws regarding data that could be skewed and in many cases has been shown to be decieving at best.

a reply to: KillaCommie4Mommy

I think the situation is much more complicated than that, and it's again getting into having such rigid polarized views when both sides of the argument should be weighed.

Take for example - GMO food. In the end may be the only thing that grows in a world where the climate is rising. Or out in space for that matter. Drought and difficult growing conditions in the imminent future is guaranteed. Yes, the research in the early testing of this food is showing to have some promise, while I'm sure others are complete failures and have had to be scraped. However, our need to be able to make our own, nutritional food artificially - in a changing global climate - is valid and vital.

Now immunity against communicable diseases is very important to those children who can't vaccinate. Can you guess why? Because usually it is these children and adults - who would be at increased risk to morbidity and mortality (death) due to diseases like measles and mumps and rubella. Their body is already at war with itself, with countless autoimmune responses that presents in allergies. The peanuts you munch on for a protein source - cannot be their protein source. For an example. So these children and adults who cannot take certain vaccines (for whatever reason) are at increased risks when some of these communicable diseases pop up in society. They, those who legitimately cannot take the medicines are those who are at most severe risk to falling very ill from them the very disease they cannot protect themselves from. Oh the irony - right?!? A healthy person would combat with minimal consequences. So all those children healthy enough to hold immunity to not carry an active infection to others - through inoculation - the safer those immune compromised children are.

We vaccinate to protect our young, old, and infirm. Those who do and can vaccinate safely - those able - do help protect those - who cannot.

This is why nurses, doctors - those in the medical field are always vaccinated. Why soldiers must vaccinate going overseas. You don't want to carry disease somewhere, into a populated, poor area and decimate the population. My daughter is learning that the hard way - but reading some papers on auto-immune diseases, communicable diseases - and understanding - helped her understand - you are working with patients with compromised immune systems. You have to be safe for them to help them get better or stay well. So guess what. She was a pin cushion with all her booster shots she's received, a few months ago. TB test. Flu Shot. MMR booster - to do her clinical s. Why? Because she wants to help people, and she took the risk and immunized herself - for the privilege to do so. Why shouldn't she? She's never had an adverse reaction to a shot before. It's very unlikely she'll start now.

CdT

a reply to: CirqueDeTruth

The problem is that many want to make it mandatory for everyone.

This has to be put out there now especially since the scientists working for Merck on the MMR claim that an attenuated version of the measles virus was used to test the efficiency of the MMR vaccine.......

this a convenient article to bash so called anti-vaxxers when the MMR is about to get some major bad press in the mainstream media........

I would suggest you look at my post on page 4 and follow the link .....

a reply to: Darkblade71

a reply to: deadeyedick

I know it's the gut punch, which makes this a unique moral and ethical dilemma - always worthy of the pro and con argument.

The more you know...

CdT

a reply to: fnpmitchreturns

Do you happen to know what the outcome of the class action lawsuit was?
It was in 2012,
and reading it,
seems a lot of accusations.

What were the findings?

The lunatic side of me made a thread called ungrounded rain in skunk works. By drinking it one could make null such shots. However that is skunk works talk.

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