NLBS #35: The Anti-Vaccination Movement and the Measles Outbreak

I wonder about the ones that crossed the open border last summer and the ones that will this upcoming summer... vaccinated? How can you blame anti-vaxxers as the CDC says themselves it came from overseas?



LINK

"We don't know exactly how this outbreak started but we do think it was likely a person infected with measles overseas," Dr. Anne Schuchat of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told reporters.

originally posted by: raedar
How can you blame anti-vaxxers as the CDC says themselves it came from overseas?

Because herd immunity is vital in the prevention and control of infectious diseases.

Anti-vaccer's reduce our herd immunity.

a reply to: peck420

It's a circular argument. If your herd is vaccinated, you are yay! If our borders were actually controlled, measles would STILL be in check in the US. PERIOD. It was pretty much eradicated until last year. That is NOT a coincidence!

People in the US still have a choice in this matter, so when you blame the ones that choose not to vaccinate, you should consider ALL the factors since they, well, factor in!

a reply to: raedar
There is nothing circular about it.

There is just those that don't understand how vaccinations work or what is in them...and those that do.

a reply to: Kusinjo
Bottom line is, everyone has the right to choose what they put into their own bodies. It sucks people get sick, that is part of life. All the needles in the world isn't going to change that.

If I were you, I would be more worried about securing the border. All those illegals from third world countries, unvaccinated, being bussed right into the big cities. A whole lot more dangerous than us people out in the country that say no to the needle.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Kusinjo
Bottom line is, everyone has the right to choose what they put into their own bodies. It sucks people get sick, that is part of life. All the needles in the world isn't going to change that.

Not when that decision affects other persons health.

If diseases were incapable of evolving and adapting, I would not care in the least what others did or didn't do. But, they are very capable of evolving and adapting...in fact, they are exceptional at it.

So, for every person that does not get vaccinations, that increases the probability of infection to every other member of the population.

a reply to: peck420

THE FDA SAID IT WAS NOT FROM A CITIZEN but this thread is full of people blaming anti-vaxxers. It is pointed out, then comes the claim herd immunity - around and around we go without addressing the REAL ISSUE. People illegally crossing our border are more than likely NOT vaccinated, here comes the measles outbreaks right at the time of the first wave!

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
You are sadly misinformed.
The mild case developed from a vaccine is not contagious. a reply to: WeAre0ne

Sorry it is you that is misinformed. The "mild case" of measles and mumps you can get from the vaccine can most definitely be spread and is contagious. Someone must have lied to you.

originally posted by: raedar
THE FDA SAID IT WAS NOT FROM A CITIZEN but this thread is full of people blaming anti-vaxxers.

Indeed.

If there were not unvaccinated children who were exposed to the threat in California, we'd not have a critical outbreak right now. A critical outbreak in the same city hosting the Super Bowl I might add.

And part of this critical outbreak is that people who have been vaccinated are getting the potentially-deadly and debilitating measles because the "herd" is less immune due to the anti-vaxxers.

Why is logic so difficult for some?

originally posted by: WeAre0ne
The "mild case" of measles and mumps you can get from the vaccine can most definitely be spread and is contagious.

Incorrect.

There's a great deal of false information out there. The "mild measles" some people attribute to the vaccine is a rash that appears very similar to the disease, sometimes accompanied by a fever. It's not contageous.

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
a reply to: WeAre0ne
Wow talk about missing the point. The point being that that small amount is not going to have any affect on the baby what so ever. Also by the time the MMR vaccine is due most babies are off the breast anyway. One year old.

It is you that missed the point.

Any and all amounts of mercury have an effect. It doesn't matter how large or small. Mercury is cumulative. We should be avoiding all consumption of mercury, if avoidable, and not willingly inject it into our blood.

Mercury is one of the most potent neurotoxins known to man. In very small doses, it doesn't kill you, and you may not notice any instant change, but but it is definitely destroying parts of your brain. Until you can trace the mercury through your blood stream and through your brain, you'll never know which parts of the brain will be slowly destroyed by the mercury, and what effect that will have. It could cause all sorts of mental problems in the end.

originally posted by: raedar
a reply to: peck420

THE FDA SAID IT WAS NOT FROM A CITIZEN but this thread is full of people blaming anti-vaxxers. It is pointed out, then comes the claim herd immunity - around and around we go without addressing the REAL ISSUE. People illegally crossing our border are more than likely NOT vaccinated, here comes the measles outbreaks right at the time of the first wave!

That's great that the initial wasn't from a citizen. Does that change the fact that it is now here? Nope. Does it chang ethe fact that 2014 was the highest number of measles infections in US history since measles was eliminated from the US in 2000? Nope. Does it change the fact that this outbreak is now spreading via unvaccinated persons? Not in the least.

CDC

The majority of the people who got measles are unvaccinated.

CDPH

Measles is a highly infectious, airborne disease that typically begins with fever, cough, runny nose and red eyes, and within a few days a red rash appears, usually first on the face and then spreading downward to the rest of the body.

Vaccination is the most important strategy to prevent measles. Two doses of measles-containing vaccine (MMR vaccine) are more than 99 percent effective in preventing measles. Measles vaccines have been available in the United States since 1963, and two doses have been recommended since 1989. If you are unsure of your vaccination status, check with your doctor to have a test to check for measles immunity or to receive vaccination.

Every major health centre in the US is recommending the same thing...combat these outbreaks by ensuring that everybody gets vaccinated. Many are even recommending increased vaccinations over ou rlives.

Anti-vaccer's response...but it didn't come from an American!

My response? Who gives a $hit. It is here now, and we have to fight it before it adapts.

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

That is just an outright lie.

A virus is a virus. The MMR vaccine gives you the live measles virus. It's weakened, but still alive. It can still spread and be contagious.

a reply to: peck420
You can choose to take vaccines if you want, your choice, I opt out. Not interested. I won't be guilted into taking another vaccine, I have enough neurological problems as it is.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: peck420
You can choose to take vaccines if you want, your choice, I opt out. Not interested. I won't be guilted into taking another vaccine, I have enough neurological problems as it is.

Do what you will, but I will leave with this.

Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

What was one of the major diseases that decimated Aboriginal populations in North America? Measles.

Herd immunity for the sheeple, how very fitting!
Baaa, baaa is all I hear. Why are you people so dammed afraid of everything, your going to be afraid of your own GD reflection pretty soon!

Definitely next level bs. I don't think I've ever read such a chilling thread on ATS. The bottom line that I'm hearing is "We will do what we want to your body because it's good for us. Period. Yes, we know some people will be harmed in the process, but we're special and it will be good for us, so too bad for them." No room for abuse there, right? Because some people are so special that such power will never be used against them, right?

First and foremost, we have a Constitutional right to be secure in our person, in accordance with that pesky natural law that gives us those darn inconvenient inalienable rights. No one has any right to do anything to anyone else, especially for our own selfish benefits... though people can use the force of government to enforce special privileges and entitlements. Further, if we had the right to be free of disease we could achieve it all on our own without doing anything to anyone else. But we can't, because there will always be a risk, because we do not have vaccinations for every disease, and even the vaccinations we do have do not work 100% for everyone on every disease every time. And perhaps most important, in the end, vaccinations do not save any lives... none... zilch... nada... it may extend lives, but everyone will die sooner or later, with or without vaccinations. So the benefits (for those who do benefit) are temporary because it can only prolong the inevitable.

And the potential -- I would say inevitable -- abuses are innumerable! Once we give government the power and authority to do it for us, we give them the power to do it to us. Beyond simple human incompetence and ignorance, which can and will create its own problems, the consequences of unmitigated greed and power trips will only compound other problems.

History is filled with people who can and will do the most unconscionable and despicable things to others, up to and including the present day... just imagine the possible abuses once we give others the power to do as they will to our bodies for their good -- not ours...

For example, if we can be forced to receive vaccinations, we can be forced to receive RFID chips. Or, even worse...

"Congratulations Mrs. Smith! According to our health data base, you are a perfect donor match for the President, who needs a new kidney. We do realize you only have one, but please know that you are giving your life in order to save the most powerful man in the world. What an honor. Your children will be so proud of you when you're gone."

Hyperbole? I wish...

a reply to: peck420

Those without foresight are doomed, period.

What you fail to see is that vaccines make your immune system weaker. In the future, everyone's immune systems, and their bodies, will be weaker because of the constant use of vaccines. Our immune systems will eventually devolve because they rely on vaccines to help.

You see, the vaccines don't really do anything, it is your immune system that ends up doing all the work. The vaccines simply give you the virus which has been weakened so your immune system doesn't have to work as hard to learn to fight the virus off.

An analogy: You are training an army to fight using an enemy that doesn't fight back. Your army (immune system) will not be very strong in the end, because it is practice fighting with weak enemies (weakened vaccine virus). When it comes up against an enemy that fights well, you are doomed.

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When you get a virus, or sickness, all the symptoms you get such as fever, cough, regurgitation, mucus, etc. those are not caused by the virus. That is your body's defense mechanism, the immune system at work. Your body's temperature increases (fever) in an attempt to kill the virus with heat. You cough and sneeze to eject the virus from your lungs. You get mucus in your nose because your immune system is trapping the virus in mucus to protect you from it. You regurgitate and get diarrhea to remove the virus and or sickness from your body as well. Your body basically purges all liquids from your body in hopes of sending the virus out with it. Sometimes your immune response is so powerful that your own immune system ends up killing you (in extreme cases) with those defense mechanisms.

Your immune system works great... unless you take medications and or products designed to suppress these symptoms (responses) which are becoming more and more common. People take "fever reducers" not knowing that they are prolonging their sickness by reducing the immune system's fever response. Same for coughing, sneezing, and running nose... people take medications to stop said symptoms, and they don't realize those symptoms are actually helping you, if you stop them you are helping the virus that is causing them.

Vaccines pretty much only help to remove the major symptoms. Your immune system fights the virus off without having to resort to fever and inflammation, and other symptoms. Over time, your body just might forget how to heat up and kill virus (fever) or encapsulate virus with mucus (running nose and congestion). Human's might devolve because we rely on vaccines, and our bodies never have to fight any worthy opponents.

I'd rather give my immune system a challenge, so next time it will be even stronger. None of this fighting crippled viruses nonsense.

...and don't worry. I have manners. When I cough or sneeze, I cover my mouth. I wash my hands. So you won't be in danger. That is my vaccine.