NLBS #35: The Anti-Vaccination Movement and the Measles Outbreak

Last week, our episode on EMF Sensitivity inspired a lot of hate from many of our viewers, so for today's episode, we decided cover something "less controversial," the Anti-Vaccination Movement. Following the outbreak of measles in California, and the ensuing measles outbreak in Arizona reaching critical levels, the anti-vaccination movement is being blamed, and for very good reason. We dig into the misinformation, deception, and outright lies at the center of this movement, including the supposed CDC whistleblower of a few months ago. And for good measure, we also look at the pharmaceutical industrial complex as an influencing factor in why some parents are opting out of vaccinations. So enjoy the show while we don our flame-proof gear.




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Well, I am not anti MMR but question if the measles vaccination is really needed. I mean the mumps kill more people or cause some problems with fertility, but I am not quite sure if sterility was just a misconception about mumps after seeing all the scare tactics over the years. Now Rhubella wouldn't be so much a problem if we didn't travel all over the world and spread diseases, but we do so I guess we need it.

Does stimulating the body to fight viruses so much have negative side effects? Well, the body has some weird ways. I think the flu vaccine would be more of a problem, the bodies defense system against viruses can utilize components of cartilage. Constantly triggering the body to fight something all the time might lower cartilage levels in my thinking which could make us less able to properly deal with a virus. Also some of these compounds are used to fight cancer. The flu vaccine also causes the blood to be a little on the acidic side on a regular basis, good for fighting viruses but bad for defending from other microbes. Maybe the acidity actually melts the cartilage and releases certain chemicals to fight things. Deplete the chemicals and we suffer consequences.

But this is just speculation on my part. But at least I can think on my own while trying to decipher all the articles I read on these things. I may not be right, and I sure do not have the resources to test these hypothesis. So all I am doing is rambling on.

I'm just a little concerned that we could be over medicating people which can cause problems which cannot be easily traced back to the source.

a reply to: theNLBS

There is no anti vaccination movement.
There is a movement to preserve the human right to control what is injected into your body.

There is also a statist movement to force medical interventions on perfectly healthy people --at gunpoint if necessary.
Even if the intervention was risk free, which obviously it isn't, this is a grave moral degenracy with no practical boundaries.

This moral degeneracy, is in a class with the most grievous human right violations currently afflicting the US. Those that prefer ignorance have a tendency to worship technocrats. But it's the short memory that is the most shocking thing.

For the sake of all that's moral and true, research the uncountable lies and cover-ups that have been perpetrated on dupes. Please start with human destruction caused by the initial release of the live virus Measles vaccine in the 60's.

Next level is right. I'm sorry I wasted my time clicking on the first level.

This was a great one!


People who don't vaccinate their kids scare the crap out of me.

I can understand a flu shot, and avoiding one because they can make a person sick,
but if you don't get one, and do get sick, stay home, pretty simple,
however childhood vaccinations are a MUST in order to keep children healthy (an entire population of them) and even into their adult lives. This measles outbreak is a perfect example, and imagine if Polio made comeback due to non-vaccination,kind of a scary thought.

If you don't vac your kid, you put everyone else's kids at risk too.

Disco ball for you!
Especially for putting out there WHY and who created the hoax/fraud that seems to have spread and gets people paranoid about the vaccines.

Good Job!!

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
There is no anti vaccination movement.

You've been misinformed

There is also a statist movement to force medical interventions on perfectly healthy people --at gunpoint if necessary.

There is currently no gunpoint for parents opting out of childhood vaccinations. There should be other restrictions/penalties, but no guns. Just forms to fill out.

Please start with human destruction caused by the initial release of the live virus Measles vaccine in the 60's

That has nothing to do with the contemporary vaccines.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
There is currently no gunpoint for parents opting out of childhood vaccinations. There should be other restrictions/penalties, but no guns. Just forms to fill out.

Hell of a good point. Let's see non-vaceener's sign a medical release and accept all medical costs associated with diseases that would have been prevented for their children. Then when their kids get sick and Mom and Dad go bankrupt because they skipped the vaccine society doesn't have to bail them out. It was their choice.

I'm so glad you guys did this. I'm sure you'll get flipped an enormous load of poo, but it's worth it.

Good job with the show, it looks pro and Joe is doing great!

originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
There is currently no gunpoint for parents opting out of childhood vaccinations. There should be other restrictions/penalties, but no guns. Just forms to fill out.

Hell of a good point. Let's see non-vaceener's sign a medical release and accept all medical costs associated with diseases that would have been prevented for their children. Then when their kids get sick and Mom and Dad go bankrupt because they skipped the vaccine society doesn't have to bail them out. It was their choice.

Interestingly enough I just stumbled upon this article at Forbes. Measles Can Kill, And It's Spreading. Sue Parents Who Didn't Vaccinate? Absolutely.

What happens if a child dies because some parents decided not to vaccinate their own kid?

What happens if it’s my child?

Thankfully, it’s still a hypothetical. But there’s reason to worry: More than 100 people in six states are now sick with the measles, in an outbreak that can be traced directly back to Disneyland. Dozens of newborns have been put into isolation.

How did I know you would be pro-vax? Because you are always on the wrong side of individual rights and freedom.

ETA: You do NOT have the right to force a needle into my arm or that of my family. Just, no.

a reply to: theNLBS

Good article! Here's a part that caught my attention,
"Brendan Nyhan, an excellent political scientist at Dartmouth University, has done pathbreaking research into convincing anti-vaxxers to back off their flawed ideas.

His team’s disturbing findings: Trying to educate anti-vaccine parents only forces them to retreat further into their shell. Attempting to correct false beliefs about vaccines “may be especially likely to be counterproductive,” Nyhan dryly notes."

Having read MANY threads at ATS my anecdotal evidence confirms his finding completely!

originally posted by: noeltrotsky

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
There is currently no gunpoint for parents opting out of childhood vaccinations. There should be other restrictions/penalties, but no guns. Just forms to fill out.

Hell of a good point. Let's see non-vaceener's sign a medical release and accept all medical costs associated with diseases that would have been prevented for their children. Then when their kids get sick and Mom and Dad go bankrupt because they skipped the vaccine society doesn't have to bail them out. It was their choice.

What about individual 'freedom'?

You reply: "But it affects MY rights".

And I answer: "As does your gun affects MY rights"

a reply to: Metallicus

I'm on the side of science and facts, I don't think that's wrong at all. I'm definetly not on the side of discredited scientist, Andy Wakefield, or pusedo-science activists like Jenny McCarthy.

Jenny McCarthy: ‘Lemon Juice Cures Ebola’

“If you’re infected with the ebola virus, skip the trip to the hospital and go straight to your local grocery store,” she told host Matt Lauer. “Freshly squeezed lemon juice contains compounds called citronols which help your body fight off viral infections naturally.

“According to a blog post I wrote myself on the Internet, citronols are 100 percent effective in eliminating all traces of the ebola virus from the body and can even prevent infection if taken daily. They also help combat cancer, inflammation, heart disease and possibly Alzheimer's.

“The pharmaceutical companies want you to believe that ebola is incurable, so that they can develop so-called ‘treatments’ and make billions. But if you’re worried about getting ebola, save your money and your life and go to my website, where I have high-citronol lemon juice available for immediate purchase.”

originally posted by: FyreByrd
What about individual 'freedom'?

What about it?

What about my freedom to be able to send my children to school and group events with the assurance that no other kids might be carrying preventable diseases?

Freedoms are good, but so is acceptance of responsibility. If you don't want to vaccinate your children, you should be prepared to accept reasonable consequences of your children being exempt from group situations.

People freaked out over Ebola, and part of that was rather intense frustration over a lack of an effective vaccine. Measles is exponentially more contagious, kills, and has a long list of potential debilitating outcomes for survivors.

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: theNLBS

Good article! Here's a part that caught my attention,
"Brendan Nyhan, an excellent political scientist at Dartmouth University, has done pathbreaking research into convincing anti-vaxxers to back off their flawed ideas.

His team’s disturbing findings: Trying to educate anti-vaccine parents only forces them to retreat further into their shell. Attempting to correct false beliefs about vaccines “may be especially likely to be counterproductive,” Nyhan dryly notes."

Having read MANY threads at ATS my anecdotal evidence confirms his finding completely!

a reply to: theNLBS

I reserve the right NOT to have mercury injected into me or mine.

ETA: Oh, and who the hell brought up Jenny McCarthy? Not me.

a reply to: FyreByrd

You still get your freedom to choose Byrd! No way I'd take that away!

But when you choose something that is proven dangerous then you should accept the medical costs to fix a problem you created with your choice.

Probably better not to involve gun rights into an already sticky topic...

a reply to: Metallicus

This episode is specific to the course of childhood vaccines, specifically the MMR vaccine, not the flu vaccine. The vaccines given to children under six years of age have less than 1 microgram of mercury.

Plus, 25 micrograms of mercury (as indicated on the box) is less than what you breath on a daily basis from the pollutants in the air.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: theNLBS
I reserve the right NOT to have mercury injected into me or mine.

I guess you're not serving fish when we all come over for dinner, eh?

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Regardless it would be our CHOICE if we want to eat it or not.

originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
a reply to: Metallicus

This episode is specific to the course of childhood vaccines, specifically the MMR vaccine, not the flu vaccine. The vaccines given to children under six years of age have less than 1 microgram of mercury.

My child got those vaccines and I am not anti-vax I am pro-choice.