Let's Cut To The Chase, Cut The Crap, And Talk About Radical Terrorism On A Real Level

originally posted by: CallYourBluff
Not complicated. The world is run by the Archons. They feed on fear and know the best way to juice it out of us.

They piss a lot of people off as well.

a reply to: Hefficide

And when the day come that those extremists either smuggle in a dirty bomb, biological agent or suitcase nuke and perpetrate more than your so-called nuisance violence? What then?

Ignoring this isn't going to make it go away.

a reply to: ketsuko

When 1.6 billion people smuggle in a dirty bomb?

originally posted by: Hefficide

Hello again ATS!

Obviously it has been a very active and emotional period of time for all of us here on ATS.

A good post but feels a little one sided in terms of putting again governments as the perpetrators of all bad. It is an obvious that all governments of the world have something to gain of some wrongdoings but is not always the case. Being friends with other countries is not a good enough outline of siding with the threat, building bridges with some of the right people benefits those that are good to understand the western worlds efforts to help. However you do realise that there is a bigger more intelligent threat by those not so large criminals such as islamic fighters, they do not have huge supplies of fighter jets or sea ships roaming around but what they do have is a battle with is the propaganda through news, internet and schools and they have been doing this for 25 plus years. The idea is too make western people question the very government that keeps them living a somewhat normal life. Look at 9/11 whatever your view is on that, the vast amount of people did not instantly push that the government was doing good buy unleashing on those that did the whole country wrong, no its very own people questioned its own government. This is an odd act of all public reactions today, its always the government before its enemies. The whole goes much deeper then just this but without conspiracies rolling around your head and others, this would seem fairly clear. Its right to question those in power but to distrust everything they say, well you are no better then the terrorists themselves as this is propaganda itself to help those that are killing innocent people for no real reason. If by reason anyone human should need to kill another anyhow.

Questionable.

a reply to: Hefficide

No. The 16 million. It is their stated goal to destroy us as a country if they can. And they move among the rest. I'm not worried about them conquering us and ruling us and neither are they.

But they can move over the Southern border as easily as anyone else can and there is good evidence they do. How do you know if they are just coming here for a better life and to escape the violence of the Middle East or to infiltrate and us those communities as cover? You can't, and without turning this country into something like The Seige there won't be any way to hope to contain it either, not without border control.

And I don't want The Seige anymore than you do.

originally posted by: GrantedBail
a reply to: Auricom

I don't believe a word you said. Not. A. One.

How is it that only Europe is being inconvenienced by these radicals that want Sharia law?? You are off your meds.

That is such a narrow and paranoid view.

You would think that the USA would be the victim of radicalism. Seeing as we are the ones that have fomented all the carnage in the Middle East and in Africa where those that adhere to Islamic religions have been the most tormented.

It is all bs. It is all false flag attacks. You cannot buy into to that scenario, while neglecting, Egypt, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia.

[SNIPPED]


I have spent almost 2 years all around Europe, and the last time I was in Norway (Christmas 2014), we got to the bus station at 4:30am from the airport. As I unloaded our bags, 3 young middle eastern looking men approached and they were looking at my wife like a piece of meat.

I can be intimidating at times, and I turned, stood fully up as I reached into my bag like reaching for a weapon and looked straight at them with a very serious expression. They altered course slightly and walked past us mumbling as they darted looks at me.


Do NOT discount what you have not experienced. The Islamic problem THROUGHOUT Europe, is a very real problem!

a reply to: 8675309jenny

Your definition of radical terrorism is some guys looking at your wife? And you further think this a trait of Islam? That kind of thing happens in the high end malls in Beverly Hills.

Next step - label the NBA a terrorist organization because several of them are always oogling a Kardashian.

a reply to: Hefficide

While I understand what you are saying, and support and agree (I, for one, am 60 and have more experience with the Arab conflict and the Cold War than most here...but probably not any the wiser for it) with much, and disagree with a few points.

I agree with your questions regarding why are we still "allied" with the Saudis?

It is my opinion, and has been for some time, that the extremists war on the west is being waged on behalf of Arab oil shieks, supported by the same. Consider this: If one is an Arab country, or the amalgamation of all of them, would a serious attack on the US amount to suicide? Oh heck yeah. Now...toss in the rest of the west (UK, France, the EU in general) and how suicidal would that be?

So...assuming they want to wage war on us, what better way than by proxie? What better way than to let us fund their war on us by selling us oil and then using a portion of the procedes to wage a low-tech war on the west?

Had I have been Prez when 9/11 happened, I would not have responded with physical attacks (at least, not as a knee jerk reaction) I would have sent Colin Powell to the Middle East, visiting each and every country.

I would have sent a simple message: If you wish to remain alive, as leaders...if you wish to still have a country that is not an irradiated cesspool, you will clean up the extremism in your own back yard. Do this, or the next attack on America of any kind will result in certain exterminations. Whether nuclear, whether by carpet bombing or by well placed munitions, we will accomplish your demise and perhaps the demise of your people as well. We will not tolerate this crap... period.

You fight fire with fire. We should be killing off the leaders of the countries, the leaders of extremism and anyone who even sticks their heads up in the air with well placed surgical strikes whether by missile, by black op, by Seal Team strikes or wipe out a whole city by using a number of MOABs.

Our problem, as a nation, as a society with regards to armed conflict is we refuse to finish the fight....we are, perhaps, too civilized to conduct anything but police actions anymore. It's like the boxer that cannot close the deal, so to speak. In order to win a conflict, one must utterly defeat the enemy. Utterly....leave no hope in armed insurrection. Leave no hope of any kind except that of if I keep my head down and behave I and my family may survive.

Every modern conflict we have been involved in since mid 20th century we have failed to do just that. We never finish the job....we pull that final punch and we do not lay into the first as hard as we should.

Yeah...I know. I am a barbarian.

I prefer to state it this way: I will not get involved in meaningless conflicts. If I do have to go to war, I will conduct war on the scale and intensity that shall guarantee a swift and final victory. Nothing less is acceptable.

I would make "shock and awe" look like child's play.

I was once told a tale by a Syrian. The leader was, I believe, the current leader's father. There was this city that was attempting to revolt. He circled the city with his tanks and artillery and bombarded it until there was nothing left standing, nothing left alive. Then he sent in bulldozers and flattened what was left, then paved the whole area of the city. One super large parking lot, so to speak.

Then he had busses bus in people from other cities with the message: This is what will happen to your city should you choose to revolt.

You have to admit...such measures are effective. Brutal but effective. I would prefer not to resort to such brutalism, but if I had to go to war, then it is only logical to end it quickly and utterly defeat the enemy in such a way that you remove all desire to continue the conflict.

a reply to: Hefficide

I get your point and you're quite correct to some extent that the same was said about the "others" that came to the US. But things were quite a bit different then. For one thing, the US had a sound immigration policy funneled and regulated through Eilis Island and the numbers were kept to a level expected to result in assimilation into the larger society as a whole. Having practiced law, I'm well familiar with the changes wrought by the 1965 Immigration and Reform act. It is an unmitigated disaster.

I could go on about the differences between the way things are now versus the way things are now. Suffice it to say, the US society that existed prior to WWII has been relegated to the dust bin of history and the resultant evolution is as fragmented as anything I've ever seen. It is, of course, taking its toll on the US economy and the first fracture point was residential real estate. I frankly don't believe that will ever recover. The truth be told, the old paradigm of home ownership/household formation is probably a thing of the past.

Don't get me wrong about all this. I'm actually not the bitter, angry old white guy you assume I am. For one thing, I don't have any "skin in the game". At my age, I could care less how this thing turns out in the US. My future is in the rear view mirror and the ultimate resolution will happen long after I'm gone. But it does make me angry and sad to see decent, innocent people killed in France all because their government has spent the last 30 years sucking up to the wealthy industrialists and the Royals that control the banks that finance the Royals that control the Industries who see an endless need for cheap labor.

Its the little people, in the end, that usually get the shaft. Pushed around by the wealthy and their dreams of endless profit at everyone else's expense.

While born in the US, I grew up overseas and didn't return until I went to college. Having grown up in Europe, I can tell you that there's this really strange phenomenon that has gone on there. The French for example. The crap bastard liberal pundits on US t.v. like to blame the French for having ghettoized the Muslim immigrant communities. That's true, they have. They're kinda weird that way because, being the "native" population of a country called "France", the French tend to think of "France" as their "homeland". As a result, they still try to exercise some degree of control over who their neighbors are. So, the immigrants end up living in ghetto suburbs of Paris and Marseille, etc. where they are allowed to "rent" apartments. The very same thing is happening dramatically in England.

The situation in England is almost amusing. According to reports and anecdotal evidence I've seen, it's so bad that the indigenous population of England,(who call themselves "English"), are migrating out of the cities to the suburbs and exurbs and country side to avoid problems in the cities.

Think about it. The US government solution to the "indigenous" population of the US, the "Indians", was to set up reservations. Perhaps the future for the indigenous populations of England and France is that they will be relegated to "Reservations" set aside by their so-called governments. I wonder if they'll get to run Casino's and Smoke Shops.

Of course, the real headache will be in France! Once relegated to "Reservations", how will the indigenous French population continue to make French wine? Muslims wouldn't allow that...they ban alcohol. And what about Brie and other fine, French cheeses? Ah, the humanity! No Bordeaux?

Ah well, as more are killed and more die as a result of the enforced worship of the god of diversity at the alter of the religion of Multiculturalism, I suppose such piddling affects of what was once enjoyed as products of "Civilization", like, roast beef, Champagne and Gorgonzola cheese will become things of the past. But, those who never enjoyed such things will never miss that which they never knew. Like...Freedom of Speech!

a reply to: TonyS

Freedom is a beautiful thing... it infects people once they've tasted it. It's a healthy virus. I'm aging myself and happen to be the eldest child of the youngest child from a large, large family - thus the stories I heard growing up were not about the same things my contemporaries parents were discussing. My friends parents were all talking about the sixties. My family was telling me about how my grandfather sold the farm, during the depression, and left Oklahoma ( a reservation ) and moved to California.

Honestly - there are things we consider normal today that would have stopped the entire country dead in it's tracks 60 or 70 years ago. Things like an unwed mother... or a divorced couple... or a black family moving into town. These things would have flown in the face of convention - even for freedom loving Americans.

But the virus - that freedom strain... it kept working.

Now imagine if the repressed of this other religion become infected as well. What a world of possibility that opens up.

a reply to: Hefficide

If that were true, you wouldn't have native born Muslim populations all over the world radicalizing. You can point at the ones in Europe and try to blame their marginalization by the native populations of those countries. But, what is the excuse in Indonesia? That country is a prosperous, modernizing nation where Muslims are the majority of a pluralistic society. That Muslim community used to be progressive and open-minded and tolerant toward its minority neighbors. But, it too is becoming intolerant and increasingly radicalized.

Like it or not, Heff, when you pay attention, this is a problem that is getting worse around the world and it will have to be dealt with sooner or later. It cannot be ignored for much longer.

originally posted by: 8675309jenny


I have spent almost 2 years all around Europe, and the last time I was in Norway (Christmas 2014), we got to the bus station at 4:30am from the airport. As I unloaded our bags, 3 young middle eastern looking men approached and they were looking at my wife like a piece of meat.

Young MEN all around the world look at women as though they were MEAT.

As I understand the hijab and burka, from the women's point of view, it's largely to not have to endure such jeers from men that the customs were introduced.

Ah, this particular religion called Islam, must be a powerful one to piss off the world.

a reply to: Hefficide

The problem is, is that freedom, liberty, is being curtailed in the name of "security".

We have already lost to terrorism. We have altered our way of life to a degree that is shocking. We have let the terrorists affect how we travel, how we conduct business and how we entertain ourselves. Go to a sporting event? Pass through a metal detector and get a wand waved at you... is this to produce a secure atmosphere or to produce the appearance of security?

I think we have seen demonstrated time and again that it produces the appearance of security without the actual substance....and we fear. Oh, how we fear.

a reply to: FyreByrd

Yes and when I was in school a Spanish student recalled how she and her sister were dressed modestly although not for Muslims when on holiday with her family in Morocco just across from Spain. A man approached their father and asked how much it was to have them both for an hour assuming they were prostitutes simply by their state of dress (shorts to just above the knee, sandals, t-shirts and no head coverings).

This was likely well before the incident described above, and I have read there are some places in Europe where non-Muslim women now cover their heads out of fear of harassment if they do not.

a reply to: ketsuko

And it is common courtesy to follow the customs of the countries you visit. Insisting that the country conforn to your patterns is not only incrediblly self-centered but just plan rude. Going to a country without basic research about their customs and laws in ignorance beyond compare and, as a practical matter, can be quite dangerous.

I got a Shakspearian Insult Calendar for the holidays, I'll use a quote now:

"Go, prick thy face
and over-red thy fear,
thou lily-liver'd boy." Macbeth

a reply to: Hefficide

The old divide and conquer has always and used the mechanism of fear quite impressively!

It has always been used to manipulate otherwise good people into the very monsters they hate.

The game of mass psychology has been masterfully crafted over the past century. Some of the fruits of this labor are what you speak of in regards to the brainwashing we see.

Anything to keep us from seeking inwards and finding our oneness.

We are amidst and epic battle of our global consciousness, we must acknowledge our darkness, conquer it and embrace our light.

Thank you for sharing Heff!

a reply to: ketsuko

Again, 1.6 billion people asked to purchase an hour with this girl?

This is also representative of Morroco and speaks to either the individual, his social class, or custom in that country as much as anything else.

a reply to: Hefficide

We have three bits of evidence, all anecdotal:

1. The story about the young men who approaching the wife in a menacing manner until the husband looked to be able and willing to defend her.

2. The group on holiday (years ago) who were propositioned as though the daughters were prostitutes in a tourist area.

3. The accounts of European women who are afraid to go out in their own cities and countries and cultures without covering their heads for fear of harassment.

This is an indication of a problem. If it ALL 1.6 billion who lack respect for others? No, but it shows that the problem is pervasive and long standing.

You keep defaulting to hyperbole. What keeps being avoided is the important thing:

I am content to leave anyone alone who leaves me alone. I think most of us are including most Muslims. The problem is that 1% that can hide in among most Muslims. How do we weed them out? Until we do, they keep creating a problem, and they are demonstrably a cancer, one whose ideology is incredibly virulent and spreads rapidly to other Muslims. This is something we can't continue to ignore because it will only continue to grow, and one day it could become all 1.6 billion like you keep using as a shield.

Either the 1.6 billion must be convinced to get them out or the rest of us have to find a way to do it.