Is there an organized effort to undermine the Aliens and UFOs forum?

a reply to: seabhac-rua


Well said.


You're real good with your word hole

originally posted by: duaneology
a reply to: DJW001

Personally I enjoy off topic posts in my threads.

They keep things interesting

Sounds to me like an organized effort to undermine the "Is there an organized effort to undermine the Aliens and UFOs forum?" thread.

a reply to: draknoir2

Uhmm ... it was a personal reply by me to GUT on an issue they raised in thread.

I addressed their point of comment and returned to the threads topic at hand and I said ...

As for this threads topic, as long as people continue to have dreams of UFO's and Aliens and to follow them up in the real world, then this forum will never die and never be undermined.


Sightings are not required to have a passion for some seriously interesting phenomena to be discussed, since the Drake equation points the way to advanced civilizations far beyond our own.


Dream On!

And so I think your comment is a bit rough considering that I made a decent effort to maintain forum decorum!

a reply to: draknoir2


You know too much.


Time to rub something toxic on your doorknob.

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: draknoir2

Uhmm ... it was a personal reply by me to GUT on an issue they raised in thread.

I addressed their point of comment and returned to the threads topic at hand and I said ...

As for this threads topic, as long as people continue to have dreams of UFO's and Aliens and to follow them up in the real world, then this forum will never die and never be undermined.


Sightings are not required to have a passion for some seriously interesting phenomena to be discussed, since the Drake equation points the way to advanced civilizations far beyond our own.


Dream On!

And so I think your comment is a bit rough considering that I made a decent effort to maintain forum decorum!

Uhmm... it was a joke.

Paid posters are all over the internet, most are ex-military or government employees with no other job prospects, and have decided to sell-out mankind for a paycheck. It is not a matter of whether they exist, it is only a matter of who they are.

This.

For some people the above sentiment and it's implications needs to be a reality so that they can perpetuate their beliefs. There is no other option for them, how can they explain steadfast objectivity in the face of their claims? How can they explain away the large numbers of people who don't see the world as they do, and who are prepared to tell them so?

For me, and I'm not dismissing the idea that certain agencies may observe and interact covertly on sites like ATS, the members who continually spout the 'paid agent' rhetoric are the ones to watch if you wish to see delusion in action.

a reply to: draknoir2

I am sorry that I misread your post as lacking sarcasm and in light of the threads topic of derailing topics I was in no mood to play any games.

The dead pan delivery appeared a bit overly critical and an emoticon would have toned down that affect.

Let this be an example of when a single emoticon would have been highly informative and essential to getting the real meaning of your post across to your fellow ATS members.

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: draknoir2

I am sorry that I misread your post as lacking sarcasm

and in light of the threads topic of derailing topics I was in no mood to play any games.

The dead pan delivery appeared a bit overly critical and an emoticon would have toned down that affect.

Let this be an example of when a single emoticon would have been highly informative and essential to getting the real meaning of your post across to your fellow ATS members.

I thought it was fairly obvious... seemed so to the OP.

"Paid government shills" would have the task to infiltrate websites to spread disinformation as to make a source of information less credible. This is how I understand it.

On a fringe site (and ATS *is* a fringe site), the idea is hideous since it's already full with all kinds of stories and tales, where serious stories are mixed with hoaxes, bigfoot etc.... and the idea that "paid government shills" are needed to make the site (or particular stories) less credible is just.....far fetched. IMHO it would be a giant waste of government money.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Exactly, there is little or no need for some vast horde of 'paid agents', the alternative/conspiracy world is rife with hoaxers, clowns and out and out insane people who do the job of discrediting subjects like UFO's etc very well on their own.

originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed

On a fringe site (and ATS *is* a fringe site), the idea is hideous since it's already full with all kinds of stories and tales, where serious stories are mixed with hoaxes, bigfoot etc....

Bigfoot is real.

a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

It does seem like it would be an incredibly inefficient way to cover something up. Not only that, everyone "knows" exactly who they are AND they seem to have to comply with the same rules as everyone else AND who exactly is their target audience? Not me. I am already a member. AND the impact such an operation would have would go unnoticed because people that believe something are going to believe something no matter what.

Obviously the most efficient approach is to feed everyone exactly what they want to hear and then some. AND then you alpha dog the person giving straight answers so that everyone hates that person even more. You divide the community up into us and them so that nobody knows what is true.

So if I was going to run an operation here, I would keep things going just the way they are.

a reply to: DJW001

Not really. Snowden merely exposed the extent of programs that everyone already knew about and revealed the degree f cooperation that NSA gt from the private sector.

Thanks for the heads-up, It was my 1st post. I'll do some more research and work on my delivery.

I like your phrase "breakaway civilization," but I don't see how government paper pushers can acquire more knowledge about the nature of reality than anyone else can. Certainly, there is research into weapons systems going on that remains classified, but the fundamentals of the physical world are universal and can be explored by all. In other words, if there is some sort of anti-gravity machine that is possible, it is as likely to come from a lab in Copenhagen as it is from a secret one in the US.

Thanks, a phrase I picked from a youtube vid on the secret space program and superluminal propulsion(zero-point etc..) or superconducting ORMUS(anti-gravitic,multi-dimensional REM's) iirc. Paper pushers are compartmentalized, I'm talking about the top of the pyramid. We can agree on the weapons systems, still using tesla's ideas no doubt. Mcclandish gives compelling testimony regarding ARV's' with anti-grav capabilities derived from sequestered technology aquired from the Kingman AZ crash in '53, j-rod and what-not. Seems credible. But idk.


While the fundamentals of physics are universal and can be explored by all with the means and inclination to do so, the access to or application of seems to benefit only a privileged few. A few who, at great cost to the many, will literally do anything to conceal the truth. The closer you get to the truth, the more resistance you can expect... aaand we're back on topic. I think the problem here is dissemination, mis / disinformation, thread-jacking trolls, weekend keyboard warriors, apathy, etc. An apocalypse (Ancient Greek: apocálypsis, meaning 'un-covering'), translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation.

a reply to: Ridhya

Check out The Revelations of the Pyramids if you havn't already. It discusses at length the math and geometry used to create the pyramids and how the speed of light, the second, and the metre were found in the math. Calculations they couldn't possibly have had any knowledge of.

Long but worth every minute... The origin of the metre
metricviews.org.uk...

I am not new here, but in the past I posted I would never, never bring a photograph of a ufo I took to this site. Further, I have had several sighting as have my wife and I do not discuss it here for the reasons put out in this thread. Rather, I do put out some events, but in the grey area which illicits some very intelligent and open comments, nothing to debunk there.

As to taking a picture, I only carry my phone which is a laugh as to quality. And if you post without a picture, the first debunking comment you get is, "no picure or it didn't happen", I call these guys DAVE! I year ago, I watched an object over the gulf which defied all physics, blinking brightly mid day, darting up and then down so fast it would have killed a pilot. I am a pilot, I know what a plane can do and not do. So I mention this to DAVE, my neighbor. His response is, I didn't see it, so it didn't happen as it was out of his experience.

I or my wife have many sightings which we don't share due to the many Daves in this world. Two I convinced when I shared an experience in Wisconsin. I looked at the stars that night while walking, stopped and pointed at a group of stars. I told them to watch this, nothing was out of the orginary until one of the stars took off and put on a show, diving down, taking an abrupt turn or so then darting up and out of the atmosphere. Of course for the debunkers here, it didn't happen as I took no picutures and had I, I would have been attacked anyhow.

Try and keep in mind it might also be people using common sense, and tired of watching the same people report the same things day in and day out as if it is "news".

Namastayoffmylawn

a reply to: covertbasepoet

Problem is, researchers have made better measurements of the pyramids in recent years, yet "Pyramidologists" continue to use the outdated Victorian surveys. What has that to do with UFO s?

a reply to: aynock

Offtopic but... how'd you do that youtube link mask??

a reply to: DJW001

It's based on the ancient astronaut theory.