Breaking the Strong Delusion: Our Morality vs. God's Morality

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I did. Twice.

a reply to: graphuto

Well you are either intentionally playing stupid and ignoring my question to you or you need to go re read it again because it is there plain as day.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Dude, do you really want Biblical insight into this or not? I've told you thrice now that I really don't know what you're talking about. Show me the verse that commands us to kill heathens.

I see plenty of other stuff, "How does God feel about Murder" "How does God feel about child sacrifice, etc etc"

But I don't see what you're saying about killing heathens. Seriously. I'm not going to go through your 2 entire posts of blasphemy again and address each point 1 by 1 after reading through your nonsense and conjecture. Show me the verse, I'll present it in context, and then tell you what I think about it. Not that you'll believe it anyway, and as I've already stated, the Bible says that those who aren't saved can't understand the things of God.

a reply to: windword

Witchcraft can produce results, Satan can show you wonders, and Oprah can sell you The Truth, and it work, but is it saving faith?

Who has translated you? Was it your higher self?

a reply to: graphuto

Ok, I will give you the benefit of the doubt..

Heathen: a person who does not belong to a widely held religion (especially one who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim) as regarded by those who do.

Kill people who don't listen to Priests. (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Kill witches. (Exodus 22:17)
Kill fortunetellers. (Leviticus 20:27)
Kill homosexuals. (Leviticus 20:13)
Kill nonbelievers. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Kill followers of other religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12, Deuteronomy 17:2-5)
Kill false prophets. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, 18:20-22, Zechariah 13:3)
Kill an entire town if anyone there worships another God. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)
Kill women who are not virgins on their wedding night. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Kill people working on the Sabbath. (Exodus 31:12-15)
Kill sons of sinners. (Isaiah 14:21)
Kill in the name of the Lord. (Jeremiah 48:10)

Death for striking parents. (Exodus 21:15)
Death for cursing parents. (Leviticus 20:9, Proverbs 20:20)
Death for fornication. (Leviticus 21:9)
Death for adultery. (Leviticus 20:10)
Death for blasphemy. (Leviticus 24:10-16)
Death to followers of other religions. (Exodus 22:19)

Oh and I think it's funny.. I'm using heathens in my question but above is a whole list of people you are commanded to kill for various, often petty reasons.

Ok, gotcha. So you're just against the death penalty in general.
Let's also be clear that there is a difference between MURDER and JUSTICE.

It goes like this :

It isn't my or anyone else's right to just go around killing these people in such a manner. Individuals are not to just take the law into our own hands. We no longer have a system of judges setup by which to follow these laws. We are to follow the laws of the land. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's.

a reply to: Bleeeeep

Witchcraft can produce results, Satan can show you wonders, and Oprah can sell you The Truth, and it work, but is it saving faith?

What the heck is "saving" faith? What do I need to be saved from?

Who has translated you? Was it your higher self?

It's amazing what you can learn about yourself by being honest with yourself.

a reply to: graphuto

Allow me to rephrase the question.

If the law was on your side, and in your hands, would you follow those commandments?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Why wouldn't I, if we were still living under the system of judges? It would be the law of the land. This is what EVERYONE would be doing if this system was still in place. Or rather, NOT doing. A couple of public executions would whip people into shape really quickly.

You have to understand though that there is still judiciary process. A person doesn't just say "THIS GUY IS WORTHY OF DEATH, KILL HIM!"

The matter must be established before 2 or more witnesses, and taken before the judges...

Luckily for us, God did away with the system of judges.

a reply to: graphuto

Thanks for your honesty. I think it's safe to say we disagree on many things. Despite that, I appreciate the input, and accusations of blasphemer.

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I'm referring to the judiciary and societal structure by which Israel carried out the laws of God and lived their daily lives.

Exodus 18:25 And Moses chose able men out of all Israel, and made them heads over the people, rulers of thousands, rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties, and rulers of tens.

originally posted by: graphuto
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
Luckily for us, God did away with the system of judges.

So then why condemn Catholicism for graven images?

a reply to: graphuto

I agree that such actions are exceedingly wicked. Like, YHWH's ordering the killing children who couldn't even crawl yet. They were just too wicked to survive, as the parents were going to sacrifice them anyway. Got it.

By the way, that was not the reasoning. You are echoing Church Propaganda now to deflect the obvious, and uncomfortable truth. It is tribal mythology. The Amalek genocide was a revenge killing for the alleged treatment Israel received coming up from Egypt. 1 Samael 15:2. It was ordered to be indefinite from generation to generation in Exodus 17:16.

Besides, lets not lose focus. Judges 18 was a town with without blame. What reason do you give for the dead children then?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Stating that they're wrong and KILLING them are two entirely different things.

To not make and worship graven images is one of the 10 commandments. It hasn't gone anywhere, and is still wrong. Just because we aren't killing these people doesn't mean that what they're doing isn't wrong.

a reply to: Not Authorized

What reason do I give? Idol worshipping wicked people decided to destroy a town...
What's hard to understand about that?

The Bible records stories as well as the Word of God. Just because a story is written down, doesn't mean that God commanded or condoned it.

a reply to: graphuto

Sorry I didn't mean condemn them to death!
I meant, to speak down on them, kind of condemnation.

But how are they wrong? Just a moment ago you said, "I'm referring to the judiciary and societal structure by which Israel carried out the laws of God and lived their daily lives." and "Luckily for us, God did away with the system of judges." So do the laws apply or don't they?

a reply to: WakeUpBeer

Well, I kind of mis-spoke. I said "luckily for us" because it seems like a pretty harsh way to live life. God didn't really get rid of the system of judges, but the people did. They wanted a king. He told them that wasn't the way He wanted it, but that He would allow the people to do as they wished.
When we moved to the "system of kings" we didn't get rid of the law and the 10 commandments.
Even Jesus didn't do away with the 10 commandments.

What was wrong then, is still wrong now. The laws still apply, we just don't carry them out anymore because man has gotten so far away from God. I believe that God highly values our free will. He WANTS/WANTED us to behave in a certain way. He KNOWS/KNEW that we can't and won't. He sent Jesus to make it easier for us.

a reply to: windword

Just as it sounds.

The Spirit in your works - the evidence of your salvation.

a reply to: graphuto

Again, you ignore the text itself. A priest said it was favorable. His prophecy per requirements in Deuteronomy 18 came true. As for the idol, they stole a silver idol on the way, not worshipped it. That's what they 'knew to do'. Pick up some phat lewt on the way. Besides, why did the holy spirit not footnote he didn't condone it? He left the story as is. Where was the Angel of the Lord to stop it? So many questions.

Your propaganda lacks substance. It is opinion. The double speak is obvious.

It is fiction. Fake. Mythology. Embellished tribal history.

Have a good evening. May the True God find and bless you.

a reply to: Not Authorized

There are tons of times that man does wickedly without the Angel of the Lord putting a stop to it.
The priest didn't prophecy, he simply said "Go in peace."

Yes, they did worship the image. At the end of the passage, it says :

30 And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

31 And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.


To "set up" means to like, put it on a pedestal and worship it!


I'm not going to continue arguing with a non believer about what the Bible says.
It's like a physicist arguing with a 3rd grader about math...