Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: darkorange

turning tables on facts and disinformation is his main job, very irritating at times !!

As per the above article, it seems civil war is going to increase in intensity and US will try to provoke Russia to invade and then supply weapons to Junta to make another Afghanistan for Kremlin.

Keeping that in mind, Russia should prolong the Afghanistan for US by supplying crucial items and information to the right elements. That should keep the Kabul Coffee warmed up for the NATO troops and their backers in DC and Brussels all the while their dollar printing presses go from 3 shifts on 5 weekdays to 3 shifts for the whole week of 7 days.

Provoking civil wars in other countries and when their troops arrive in body bags they refuse any media filming. Guess this evilness is going on at various places since 1991 Iraq war. Ukraine is the place where this evilness will get CHOKED once and for all !!

Sorry you seem to believe anything on Russian news as being gospel and i can see how it irritates you guys to have to look at reality. But dont think Chechen s moving into Ukraine throwing separatists out of buildings and taking over by placing a Russian in charge. There movement has been hi jacked and its not going to go over well.

Here this article makes some great points.

While the presence of battle-hardened Chechens may bolster the fight on the battlefield, it’s an open question whether they will actually help or hinder the separatist cause.

“It kind of undermines the whole theme that this is a local battle," said Michael
Bohm, a Moscow-based journalist and an author of a book on Russian psychology. “For the average grandmother, grandfather, for the average person, who is not particularly in favor of Kyiv but doesn’t want to join Russia, they are not going to look very favorably upon this."

For older Ukrainians, the arrival of fighters from Chechnya — a region long associated with terrorism — is distasteful at best.

There is no doubt that Chechens are now fighting in Ukraine, said Yaroslav Kovalchuk, director of the internal politics department of the International Center for Policy Studies in Kyiv. He also said the presence of Chechen fighters would hurt the separatist cause.

“Earlier, a large part of local population supported or were loyal to the militia, because they thought it is local people,” Kovalchuk said. “Now, when they see Chechen people, they see indeed that it is not local gunmen, but it is military men coming from another country."

Ukraine's ambassador to the United Nations, Yuriy Sergeyev, on Thursday demanded that Russia end what he called “mercenary activities” in eastern Ukraine.

Turning to Russia's U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, he asked: “What are hundreds of Chechens doing in Ukraine? Did they come to protect Ukrainian Orthodoxy or Slavic unity?”

The Russian diplomat replied that Sergeyev's “ironic comments about Chechens” were “pointless.”

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a reply to: dragonridr

Battle hardened Chechens with right weapons can be very effective on pushing Junta's army away.

They will also provide lots of morale boost to the eastern region folks who are undecided on many choices.

Some high grade weaponry is definitely needed to be supplied by Russia to speed up the coming debacle for Kiev.

US Plans ‘First Strike’ Nuclear Attack on Russia or China

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Under the plan, the US attacks Russia with nuclear weapons, while NATO missile defense in Eastern Europe mops up any attempted response.

NSNBC News writes “it is most likely and understandable” Russia interprets NATO’s Star Wars deployment on its border as an “unofficial declaration of war.”

Aerospace analysts told Global Research that US Space Command is planning a nuclear first strike on Russia, as well as one on China in 2016.

originally posted by: victor7
US Plans ‘First Strike’ Nuclear Attack on Russia or China

www.globalresearch.ca...

Under the plan, the US attacks Russia with nuclear weapons, while NATO missile defense in Eastern Europe mops up any attempted response.

NSNBC News writes “it is most likely and understandable” Russia interprets NATO’s Star Wars deployment on its border as an “unofficial declaration of war.”impossible.

Aerospace analysts told Global Research that US Space Command is planning a nuclear first strike on Russia, as well as one on China in 2016.

Your a fool if you believe that see a little problem its called fall out couple of hundred nukes destroying Russia and the fall out destroys the rest of the planet. But as we see Russia paranoia at it again. The only first strike option the US would ever consider would be destroying them before launch than mop them up with military. China you cant successfully invade impossible. Russia it take a little while but again what would be the benefit there isnt any.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: dragonridr

Battle hardened Chechens with right weapons can be very effective on pushing Junta's army away.

They will also provide lots of morale boost to the eastern region folks who are undecided on many choices.

Some high grade weaponry is definitely needed to be supplied by Russia to speed up the coming debacle for Kiev.

Yeah Putin cares so much about ethnic Russians hes going to get them killed in a senseless civil war. To think i used to respect him but man someone needs to get him on prosaic hes totally lost touch with reality. Causing a civil war on your door step is stupid helps the US though tears apart his relations with Europe and allows CIA to cause all kinds of havoc in Russia if they chose to. If your believing the NWO exists Putin just fell into a huge trap. If they dont exist than the US will just watch as Russia self destructs. Than i guess will be stupid and bail the Russians out of trouble like we did last time. And of course trying to get democracy to work in Russia will fail once again because Russians dont understand free will.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Oh the hypocrisy in your post is astonishing.

I could say the same for those whom have being defending Ukraine's new oligarch poster child, its rather ironic. If this were WW2 right now you would be cheering for the fascists to take over in Ukraine.

wrong when Ukraine fights back against armed terrorists from Russia and now Chechnya.

Freedom Fighters in Ukraine fighting agaisnt fascist and oligarchs are armed terrorists even fighters whom are from Chechnya are even fighting for a worthy cause rather then blowing themselves at a school,and not using women as bombers to do's a man's job.


Yet cute rebels in Syria are Freedom Fighters.

originally posted by: ALoveSupreme
Pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine collect their dead and ask, Where is Putin?

america.aljazeera.com...

So while large numbers of Chechens and other mercenaries are pouring in wielding complex missile systems the DPR makes a public appeal to Putin?

In some ways this is starting to resemble the American misadventure in Afghanistan.

An source from aljazeera not very reliable. As seen with Syria and there news coverage of it.

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
CNN uses footage from Syria claiming its Ukraine.

If that was RT...................

No they didnt they were discussing the Syrian plane shot down by Turkey the ticker along the bottom repeats news stories and changes. So someone took a screen shot when the ticker said Ukrainian helicopter was shot down while they were discussing the Syrian fighter being shot down. Look at the screen capture it was obviously a jet and not a helicopter. Was this on RT or the web either way they lied to you.

actually it is a helicopter

CNN used an video which was an video from Syria 2011/2012.

Look at the screen capture it was obviously a jet and not a helicopter.

Jet Fighters once they are hit by something they dont fall like that, nice try though.

Alexander Khodakovsky, a defector from the Ukrainian state security service who now commands Battalion Vostok:

"The split of the country is final. There is nothing uniting us with them (the Kiev leadership) now," Alexander Khodakovsky, a defector from the Ukrainian state security service who now commands Battalion Vostok, told Reuters.

"Kiev has already understood that they have lost south-eastern Ukraine, that it is a sphere of Russian influence, and one way or another it will remain so," said the 41-year-old.

The men of Battalion Vostok see Russia as the heart of their own civilization and values, irreconcilable with the pro-Western course taken by the Ukrainian authorities.

Kiev denounces them as terrorists and accuses Russia of supporting the rebellion in the east, where separatists have proclaimed independent "people's republics" and where scores of rebel fighters died in clashes with Ukraine's army in May.

Composed and relaxed, Khodakovsky strikes a sharp contrast with many of his men - taciturn and hiding their faces behind balaclavas - who fought the heaviest battles with the Ukrainian army around Donetsk city airport and in the village of Karlovka this month.

For him, the conflict is part of a global standoff between Russia and the United States in a bipolar world, more than two decades after Ukraine took its independence during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

"Technically, we have been an independent country, but the borders were only a formality, and we could go on feeling ourselves part of Russia," he said.

"We do not want to be against Russia, and if we are allied with the European Union and NATO, we would automatically be. We made our choice."

Moscow denies involvement in the conflict that threatens to tear Ukraine apart and has dragged ties between Russia and the West to their lowest since the Cold War.

The Kiev leadership says Russian border authorities could do far more to stop these armed groups crossing into eastern Ukraine.

Violence in the east intensified in the run-up to the May 25 election in Ukraine in which a first round win by Poroshenko, a confectionery magnate, gave the signal for a Ukrainian military offensive against the separatists.

the rest of article

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a reply to: dragonridr

Mind your language MORON !!

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter

originally posted by: cosmonova

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
CNN uses footage from Syria claiming its Ukraine.

If that was RT...................

No they didnt they were discussing the Syrian plane shot down by Turkey the ticker along the bottom repeats news stories and changes. So someone took a screen shot when the ticker said Ukrainian helicopter was shot down while they were discussing the Syrian fighter being shot down. Look at the screen capture it was obviously a jet and not a helicopter. Was this on RT or the web either way they lied to you.

actually it is a helicopter

CNN used an video which was an video from Syria 2011/2012.

Look at the screen capture it was obviously a jet and not a helicopter.

Jet Fighters once they are hit by something they dont fall like that, nice try though.

Yeah as it turns out they used a video put out by Russian propaganda cant trust Russian media. Go back and look at my previous posts youll see its listed as onre of the lies they made.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: dragonridr

Mind your language MORON !!

Excuse me??? I dont resort to name calling however appears you do. wow need to step away from the computer you seem to need a break and calm down.

As they say it only gets worse.



British troops join in delivering stern message to Russia

Britain is looking at sending hundreds of troops to Poland and a warship to the Baltic Sea as part of an expansion of Nato exercises to demonstrate to Russia that the Cold War alliance remains strong, The Times has learnt.

www.thetimes.co.uk...

This could only become World War 3 if the US decides this is the hill it wants to die on! I doubt we will wanna die on this hill, it is not worth it, I do how ever route for Ukraine, and hope they beat the Reds back. I love watching the Videos and seeing the pro Russians call the others Fascists. They have no clue what Fascism is anymore. I also love watching the Leftist and Nationalist protest and riot in the rest of Europe. Anything that isn't liberal to a Leftist is Fascist. Hell, culturally, I think Europe needs another war. They got to complacent and weak.

a reply to: dragonridr

If you think you did not call a name then it seems you are a psychopath who does not even know what mistake he committed.

Read your posts again and correct your mistake.

a reply to: dragonridr

If you read that wikileaks link:
can't make link to work, I put the text below my response.


You can see it was well known what would happen giving the option to join the NATO, so they basicly knew what would happen and they let it happen, why?

Same as in Iraq, they knew different groups there would bring chaos so they invaded Iraq based on a lie (poking with a stick in a bee's nest).Controlling resourches and bringing hell on the same time, starting a fire which is still spreading and growing, where the EU of course helped the US out... nice to feel ''important'' (but foolish as well).

Russia didn't fire one bullet yet but they of course will defend their own security & of course they also won't play the nicest game.


And of course both sides have propaganda but the EU is the real fool not seeing they are being played by the US which is only after her own interest, the EU basicly does what the US wants, they did it for a long time and for now still do.
EU got nothing good coming from this, but the EU does not know leadership, there is none, only bureaucrats who are blind for what's in front of their eyes.

1. (C) Summary. Following a muted first reaction to
Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End
summary.

MFA: NATO Enlargement "Potential Military Threat to Russia"
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2. (U) During his annual review of Russia's foreign policy
January 22-23 (ref B), Foreign Minister Lavrov stressed that
Russia had to view continued eastward expansion of NATO,
particularly to Ukraine and Georgia, as a potential military
threat. While Russia might believe statements from the West
that NATO was not directed against Russia, when one looked at
recent military activities in NATO countries (establishment
of U.S. forward operating locations, etc. they had to be
evaluated not by stated intentions but by potential. Lavrov
stressed that maintaining Russia's "sphere of influence" in
the neighborhood was anachronistic, and acknowledged that the
U.S. and Europe had "legitimate interests" in the region.
But, he argued, while countries were free to make their own
decisions about their security and which political-military
structures to join, they needed to keep in mind the impact on
their neighbors.

3. (U) Lavrov emphasized that Russia was convinced that
enlargement was not based on security reasons, but was a
legacy of the Cold War. He disputed arguments that NATO was
an appropriate mechanism for helping to strengthen democratic
governments. He said that Russia understood that NATO was in
search of a new mission, but there was a growing tendency for
new members to do and say whatever they wanted simply because
they were under the NATO umbrella (e.g. attempts of some new
member countries to "rewrite history and glorify fascists").

4. (U) During a press briefing January 22 in response to a
question about Ukraine's request for a MAP, the MFA said "a
radical new expansion of NATO may bring about a serious
political-military shift that will inevitably affect the
security interests of Russia." The spokesman went on to
stress that Russia was bound with Ukraine by bilateral
obligations set forth in the 1997 Treaty on Friendship,
Cooperation and Partnership in which both parties undertook
to "refrain from participation in or support of any actions
capable of prejudicing the security of the other Side." The
spokesman noted that Ukraine's "likely integration into NATO
would seriously complicate the many-sided Russian-Ukrainian
relations," and that Russia would "have to take appropriate
measures." The spokesman added that "one has the impression
that the present Ukrainian leadership regards rapprochement
with NATO largely as an alternative to good-neighborly ties
with the Russian Federation."

Russian Opposition Neuralgic and Concrete
-----------------------------------------

5. (C) Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch
a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about
the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does
Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine
Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears
unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would
seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us
that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions
in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the
ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a
major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In
that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to

intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.

6. (C) Dmitriy Trenin, Deputy Director of the Carnegie
Moscow Center, expressed concern that Ukraine was, in the
long-term, the most potentially destabilizing factor in
U.S.-Russian relations, given the level of emotion and
neuralgia triggered by its quest for NATO membership. The
letter requesting MAP consideration had come as a "bad
surprise" to Russian officials, who calculated that Ukraine's
NATO aspirations were safely on the backburner. With its
public letter, the issue had been "sharpened." Because
membership remained divisive in Ukrainian domestic politics,
it created an opening for Russian intervention. Trenin
expressed concern that elements within the Russian
establishment would be encouraged to meddle, stimulating U.S.
overt encouragement of opposing political forces, and leaving
the U.S. and Russia in a classic confrontational posture.
The irony, Trenin professed, was that Ukraine's membership
would defang NATO, but neither the Russian public nor elite
opinion was ready for that argument. Ukraine's gradual shift
towards the West was one thing, its preemptive status as a de
jure U.S. military ally another. Trenin cautioned strongly
against letting an internal Ukrainian fight for power, where
MAP was merely a lever in domestic politics, further
complicate U.S.-Russian relations now.

7. (C) Another issue driving Russian opposition to Ukrainian
membership is the significant defense industry cooperation
the two countries share, including a number of plants where
Russian weapons are made. While efforts are underway to shut
down or move most of these plants to Russia, and to move the
Black Sea fleet from Sevastopol to Novorossiysk earlier than
the 2017 deadline, the GOR has made clear that Ukraine's
joining NATO would require Russia to make major (costly)
changes to its defense industrial cooperation.

8. (C) Similarly, the GOR and experts note that there would
also be a significant impact on Russian-Ukrainian economic
and labor relations, including the effect on thousands of
Ukrainians living and working in Russia and vice versa, due
to the necessity of imposing a new visa regime. This,
Aleksandr Konovalov, Director of the Institute for Strategic
Assessment, argued, would become a boiling cauldron of anger
and resentment among the local population.

9. (C) With respect to Georgia, most experts said that while
not as neuralgic to Russia as Ukraine, the GOR viewed the
situation there as too unstable to withstand the divisiveness
NATO membership could cause. Aleksey Arbatov, Deputy
Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, argued that Georgia's
NATO aspirations were simply a way to solve its problems in
Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and warned that Russia would be
put in a difficult situation were that to ensue.

Russia's Response
-----------------

10. (C) The GOR has made it clear that it would have to
"seriously review" its entire relationship with Ukraine and
Georgia in the event of NATO inviting them to join. This
could include major impacts on energy, economic, and
political-military engagement, with possible repercussions
throughout the region and into Central and Western Europe.
Russia would also likely revisit its own relationship with
the Alliance and activities in the NATO-Russia Council, and
consider further actions in the arms control arena, including
the possibility of complete withdrawal from the CFE and INF
Treaties, and more direct threats against U.S. missile
defense plans.

11. (C) Isabelle Francois, Director of the NATO Information
Office in Moscow (protect), said she believed that Russia had
accepted that Ukraine and Georgia would eventually join NATO
and was engaged in long-term planning to reconfigure its
relations with both countries, and with the Alliance.
However, Russia was not yet ready to deal with the
consequences of further NATO enlargement to its south. She
added that while Russia liked the cooperation with NATO in
the NATO-Russia Council, Russia would feel it necessary to
insist on recasting the NATO-Russia relationship, if not
withdraw completely from the NRC, in the event of Ukraine and
Georgia joining NATO.

Comment
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12. (C) Russia's opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine
and Georgia is both emotional and based on perceived

strategic concerns about the impact on Russia's interests in
the region. It is also politically popular to paint the U.S.
and NATO as Russia's adversaries and to use NATO's outreach
to Ukraine and Georgia as a means of generating support from
Russian nationalists. While Russian opposition to the first
round of NATO enlargement in the mid-1990's was strong,
Russia now feels itself able to respond more forcefully to
what it perceives as actions contrary to its national
interests.
BURNS

a reply to: RebelPanda

If US is not in the lead then human race may suffer. So I hope this hill called Ukraine is not a place where US would want to commit suicide.

Even if its leadership goes in that direction, after some severe initial losses, hopefully US Army turns tables on the politicians/bankers/power brokers and force them to make changes in their "policy demeanor".

If this all is done even before a shot is fired then all so much better. Current times are very sensitive to any slight changes in even the wind direction or minor changes in weather.

originally posted by: victor7
a reply to: dragonridr

If you think you did not call a name then it seems you are a psychopath who does not even know what mistake he committed.

Read your posts again and correct your mistake.

Done no insults where you texting someone else? Either way Your back to insults seems to be common theme from you but thats ok i understand you cant help it. See when someone doesnt have alot of evidence to back them they tend to get hostile seen it alot on ATS. I can understand its getting harder and harder to defend things Putin is doing to Ukraine. I figure in the end it will work out though.