The Conspiracy Theory Is True: Agents Infiltrate Websites Intending To "Manipulate, Deceive, And De

It seems in true ATS style most of the people here have missed what the source article is really saying and are running with any crazy idea they can think of.

This was an operation to go after members of anonymous who were attacking government web sites and servers. Now everyone here thinks that anyone who ever disagrees with what they are saying about anything could be a government shill.

reply to post by PhoenixOD


That is correct

There is no shortage of corporations and institutions willing to pay people to post.

i can pay a company to search my companies name out thousands of times a day. Search, then click my web page link. Search more broad/generic, then click my link. Drive up my ranking. Or i can just buy ranking directly from Google.

There are many ways to acheieve the same thing. One guy hooked up an AI bot to a twitter account to argue for global warming on his behalf. There was a link on ATS a few weeks ago about it.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


If such a person could be identified for sure, it would be interesting to see what they were trying manipulate, shoot down and what they were trying to propagate. It could lead to learning some truths.

The GUT



For the rest of us: I say it's important information…just use it wisely.

That's just it, if you look around, there are little dribbly bits coming out all the time, stuff is happening all the time. Look at the events since Wikileaks and Snowden alone, and it's all related, and enough to know our poiiticians are lying gits.

reply to post by PhoenixOD


If you seriously imagine for a nano-second that this would be limited to 'hunting down' members of Anonymous, you're delusional or worse.

Did you actually believe the NSA when they told Congress with a completely straight face they were not spying on American Citizens...did you think they were spending trillions just to hunt for 'terrorists' and deliberately ignoring any other juicy intel they could get their mucky hands on? What...because they are principled and have scruples eh?

Same thing here, there is absolutely NO chance this has not been happening for years already, not a chance in hell.

Believe what you like if it helps you sleep better at night, but you're forgetting, or ignoring, where you are and what this sites' motto is...and i'll tell you this for nothing, it has nothing to do whatsoever with reinforcing ignorance.

reply to post by dreamingawake

They garner more attention- negative or not it's attention for some

Bullies often have a following while victims, who appear weak in peoples eyes because they do not use similar tactics, do not.

When the harsh or cruel who resort to name calling and derogatory personal attacks gain followers of those who wish to feel strong, it is a cumulative effect.
Stars and flags reinforce and make them look wise in their followers eyes. This is actually how leaders are born and why most leaders are not great people.

Char-Lee
reply to post by WhiteAlice

 

If such a person could be identified for sure, it would be interesting to see what they were trying manipulate, shoot down and what they were trying to propagate. It could lead to learning some truths.

Yep and even if one isn't 100% certain, it can still be interesting to see if there's a pattern. Then again, that's coming from somebody who IS a self declared pattern junky, lol.

reply to post by dreamingawake


Im naturally suspicious, especially of 'leaders' on boards like this - it seems like people are always looking for someone to follow, instead of ignoring the source and assessing the information - and especially because it has been known for quite a while that the internet is such a danger to the controllers - they have been active here for ages.

A desire to be part of a group or to agree with the prevailing thesis makes deception a lot easier. Human beings are very predictable - and people who like to be part of the 'in crowd' are so easy to deceive. It is time some of those cheerleaders of the popular posters started to respond critically, instead of filling the space with inane chatter.

I do however agree with some earlier comments regarding the desire of the intelligence community to appear more effective than they actually are - they are like animals who puff themselves up to appear more intimidating - hopefully causing people to self censor. It can also sow disharmony - which is why it is ALWAYS the information that should be assessed, and never the person.

Restrain your emotions, stay logical, critical, skeptical and respond to the information presented regardless of source and respond politely - and so many of the tools used by the controllers become useless.

EDIT: Of course, restraining our emotions is a challenge - and not one we will always succeed at

PhoenixOD
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Now everyone here thinks that anyone who ever disagrees with what they are saying about anything could be a government shill.

edit on 25-2-2014 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Where did you get that idea? that's anathema to debate.

reply to post by WhiteAlice


Well this is one of the big problems is it not? The worst of it, is that there is more than a single source for all the disinformation which is out there right now. Pretty much every government on the planet has some arm or tendril, which is responsible for spinning the truth, or creating new truths from scratch, and placing that altered or brand new truth in the public eye in specific places.

With so many sources of lies and propaganda flying about, finding any one truth in amongst them, save the ones you create for yourself, is not practical. Not for folks outside the loop anyway.

WhiteAlice


Yep and even if one isn't 100% certain, it can still be interesting to see if there's a pattern. Then again, that's coming from somebody who IS a self declared pattern junky, lol.

Well looking at it like that, all you see in the left-hand corner of the screen is a screen name and perhaps an avatar. It doesn't tell you if it is the same person using it all the time.

real life examples can been seen in the chemtrail geo engineering forums, obvious Covert Agents Infiltrating every discussion on that forum for years..

reply to post by MysterX


Do i think this is the only time an operation to go after some organization has happened? No of course not.

Do i think that even 1% of the worlds millions of forums that say anything they consider to be controversial are being infiltrated monitored and manipulated on a daily basis? No of course not.

Spying on the American public is a relatively easy thing to do autonomously. But a complex operation like the one described in the OP can only be co-ordinated by teams of real people using significant resources. The operation would be costly and man power intensive. Because of this it would be restricted to high value targets who are producing a significant threat.

So dangerous terrorist groups or hackers attacking government websites and computer systems..yes very obvious targets worth co-ordinating an operation against. Joe Bloggs posting he has solved zero point energy with a few home made batteries and a set of Lego in his moms garage?...no. John Doe posting about aliens flying into volcano's and abducting his pet goldfish?..er no.

So yes the stuff presented in the op is verifying what everyone already knew , that people who are high value threats will have covert action taken against them by the governments they are causing trouble to. But is this 'war on our internet' as the op claims?..hardly.

PhoenixOD
reply to post by MysterX

 

Spying on the American public is a relatively easy thin to do autonomously. But a complex operation like the one described in the OP can only be co-ordinated by teams of real people using significant resources. The operation would be costly and man power intensive. Because of this it would be restricted to high value targets who are producing a significant threat.

So dangerous terrorist groups or hackers attacking government websites and computer systems..yes. Joe Bloggs posting he has solved zero point energy with a few home made batteries and a set of Lego in his moms garage?...er no.

The infrastructure and manpower is already there and 'for good' bought and paid for with dollars and the rest, by people's money, and who are being spied on....and yes it's all pretty expensive, but it is ongoing, one off's okay, but the cost is a but a paper exercise. Staff and systems don't just melt into the walls when a 'one-off' is finished.

smurfy
Where did you get that idea? that's anathema to debate.

We must visit different ATS's then

Phoenix has a very valid point, something like this will simply make the fringe posters of ATS even that more kooky, heck there are very logical and intelligent posters on ATS that always get the instant 'your a shill' posts (or at least thinly veiled versions) when they chime in on a topic, those who do that will now feel even more justified in their attacks on balanced thinking. The average run of the mill ATS poster however is fine from what ive seen.

Bound to be many way out their people on ATS who will read this and instantly go 'See!.. I must be right!'

**Insert Buzz Lightyear and Woody meme here**

"Shills... Shills every where"

edit- Why is my posts text so big?...nvm fixed it seems nested quoting borks the post up

i never cease to be astounded at the endless paranoia of the governments of the world, all of whom doubtless carry out these secretive surveillances and worse. and why? because internationally, it seems that the ordinary citizen is what those governments fear the most and are most threatened by. and they hate what they fear.

Argyll
reply to post by dreamingawake

 

Interesting and well presented OP :up

Problem here at ATS is now whenever one of those crazy Mars anomaly threads pop up, and someone calls it out for what it is (it's a rock!)....I can all ready here the screams of "shill!"....."disinfo agent!"....."paid poster!" with a reference back to this thread

strange that , ive been in quite a few mars anomaly threads of late , and on the whole I think folks have been fairly civil, I do however remember an incident a few months back

funBox

reply to post by TrueBrit


Pretty much and that's not even taking into consideration that PR firms, corporations, organizations and any other entity with an interest in swaying public opinion probably have more than a few in play as well. It can give one a really cynical view of the world and its online discourse when thinking in that light. I tend to modify the principle of charity to assume that the majority of people that I may engage in a discussion with online are, in fact, doing so on both their own volition and aren't getting paid. To think otherwise would just, imho, lead to despair and a sense of futility.

I do think that one can come close to finding some bit of "truth" but even then, it still can be dependent on interpretation. It's a mess but I still think that there are ways to figure at least some things out. My personal favorites are those things hidden in plain sight or behind paywalls--patents and research.

If there is any one truth that I am absolutely certain exists is that the world is filled with a lot of people trying to see their particular $.02 win the day. lol

This has been said and acknowledged many times over and I don't think anyone really cares. There is nothing that anyone can do about this, but move along as normal.

reply to post by smurfy


There are methods. Most decent to good writers have what is called a "voice" and each "voice" tends to be unique. Considering that having some level of good writing ability is a logical requirement for such a job, then such a person would also logically write with a voice. The most influential and appealing literary works have a distinctive voice. That's pretty much a fact. If an account were shared, then, either it'd be amongst those with similar "voices" or an infrequently used one to avoid detection. Some people can actually pick up voice discrepancies in writings.

Writer's voice

I personally don't think the accounts would be shared for that reason.