Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Marylongstockings

It's just a poorly understood part of the laws of physics.

But yah....it can get depressing, as we all are so ignorant about these matters.

Kev

a reply to: Tulpa

I have already researched this - i.e., the connections all this may have with what was presented in the book 'The Stargate Consipiracy' (1999) by Picknett and Prince, as based on the research of Filip Coppens and Simon Cox also. And, the reason why I researched all this and more, is not only because there are things I had found in the 'coordinates code' that would make anyone suspect that the main themes presented in this are indeed related, but also because I was actually associated with some of the people cited in that book the year it was published and all 'seemingly' by chance I might add.
I have gone further with this than anyone could, and in this I mean that it helps to know the results of the 'coordinates code' first - add to that my perspective on having been associated with the people cited in that book.

For example, in 1999 and as a result of physicist Jack Sarfatti’s exclusive email list and via my association with author Colin Wilson (whom I had also met and become friends with), I had also been in brief correspondence with Ira Einhorn who was part of the counterculture, anti-establishment and anti-war movements of the 1960s and 1970s, and has a whole chapter dedicated to him in the book. Ira was very much associated with Andrija Puharich and his work. But, Einhorn was only one of many people I had corresponded with between 1999 and 2001 and because they were all on Jack's recipient list, and I mention him because the subject of Andrija and 'the Nine' were brought up.

Connections also exist between the Rendlesham Incident and some of the people mentioned in the book 'Final Events and the Secret Government Group on Demonic UFOs and the Afterlife', by Nick Redfern.

originally posted by: Marylongstockings
a reply to: ctj83

There is something re the hypnotic stuff for certain.

As far as handlers go. There is seemingly someone's behind
the men. I dealt with someone for quite sometime re this.
John Burroughs had dealings with the same person/s along
with Ronnie Dugdale and one other am aware of who I wont
name. It painted a very strange story indeed at the time.


There is really much much more to all of this.
But one can only deal with what is public knowledge in
most part and work from there.

There is enough now to suggest all is not quite right.

Can you elaborate, Tracy? Throw out a name or two. Green, Alexander, Puthoff? Anyone who was seemingly pulling strings in the background. It could be BIG in getting to the bottom of this. A picture is forming from some of these new avenues and I do believe a few more dots are being connected. Thanks, I appreciate your participation here and if we can elucidate a few things you're privy too, I believe we have found some new cracks to chip away at. Also, I do find it interesting and possibly suggestive--as you infer--that these two were receiving "downloads." If so, I doubt it was The Nine, eh?

It hasn't been mentioned since the early pages, but Jacques Vallee called Rendlesham as some sort of psychological and/or weapon testing as far back as Messengers of Deception. I believe he had good reason to do so.

a reply to: Tulpa

I'd never read this book. It's turning out to be a good read. It's plugging some holes I didn't know about "mystical disinformation", one of my favorite topics of all time.



Thanks,

Kev

a reply to: The GUT

That weapon is being tested on us.
We are the targets.
They took a few lights and dropped a few hints and we did the rest for them.

Did we pass?

Oh, while I've got you. All or any of those names should've raised a few eyebrows by now.

a reply to: The GUT

Hi The Gut,

Only that we know Dr Green has been assisting John B. Its my understanding
that John has been involved some way with Puthoff too. I don't know exactly
what, but he also mentioned this on his own page.

Gary will know more re all of that. John does put out Puthoff stuff from
time to time too. And of course He brings up Bigelow many times.

When I say handler or handlers, I have no hard evidence. I can only go by things
told to me and there is seemingly someone/s behind the men in some way. I say this due
to a source which came to me from 2011 until towards the end of 2012. I got tangled up
with an unknown person, I allowed the contact to continue communication on Facebook,
because I was wanting to get to the bottom of the things which
were occurring with Jim when I had been with him , this person seemed as though he knew and not
only knew, but part of some things re the RFI. I did try to resolve all this to even tell Col.Halt about it.

There was no resolve and this person simply vanished towards the end of 2012. I have to admit
I did find this very disturbing and I am still am very troubled by this aspect even to this day.
I know am not been very specific but it is a difficult area indeed to talk very openly about. What I can
say, John B, claimed to know who was behind all of this and there was more than one person involved.
John did want info from me re this person for whatever reasons, but otherwise I am none the wiser
to its true ID . He did mention he had been with RAF chicksands and was a civil engineer by trade.
But he could of been anything in reality.

Before I do forget he/they did mention that both men (Jim and John)
would eventually go quiet and both men would continue doing things
without the public knowing? This would to be a saga like the RFI.

I have no idea what this meant or could mean.

a reply to: Marylongstockings

When I say handler or handlers, I have no hard evidence.

John himself touches briefly on having had some outside influence exerted on him in the Phenomenon Radio interview with Chuck de Caro.

Air Force "Public Affairs" in the main, but also a mention of "somebody who had told him what he could or couldn't say" shortly after, and in relation to, the incident. I think John also intimated that prior to an interview with de Caro, he tried to get in touch with this individual but failed to do so. Reading between the lines, this might have been to go over what could or could not be said, and get his story straight beforehand.

I think in that same interview Linda Moulton-Howe claims Col. Halt told her (with Burroughs also present), that the NSA were on the scene around the Boxing Day (I don't know why the NSA particularly?). I think Halt or the command centre didn't do anything, either because there was an outside influence (from someone or a party "in the know"), or, as Burroughs suggests in that interview, things might have been reported, classified "Top Secret" then and there, and we'll never know just how far up it went and to what degree things were hushed up.

I have a sneaky suspicion also that de Caro knows something--he seems to be in a bit of a "debunk" mode in that interview, and I bet he has some good contacts.

a reply to: Tulpa

I believe that the quote that you and The GUT were talking about is this one:

www.ufoevidence.org...
The two most stunning cases of faked UFO events that Vallee has uncovered occurred rather recently in the history of saucer sightings. In 1980, a strange object purportedly "crashed" in England's Rendlesham Forest, a few miles away from an American Air Force Base. Dozens of military personnel were dispatched into the forest, without weapons, before the supposed crash of a luminous object. After the incident conflicting stories leaked to the press and to civilian investigators, some of the leaks apparently originating from the front office of the military base. Vallee's conclusion--controversial among UFO believers who insist that aliens touched down in Rendlesham Forest--is that "the event had all the earmarks of being staged for the benefit of the witnesses, perhaps so that their psychological reactions could be studied."

I did talk to Dr. Vallee about this incident when he came to my house. However he did not say anything that he did not already publicly say. That was mostly how my conversation with him went; I provided a great deal of information, and Dr. Vallee mostly repeated what he has already said. I got the impression (as other's have said), that he wanted to say more at various times, but did not due to non-disclosure agreements, etc.

As for RFI being a dry-run for things done to us at large, I cannot support that theory, but I can't deny the possibility either.

Kev

I was re-reading Gary's post
He is correct re all his own connections etc
He also knows I had dealings with Dr Sarfatti
was also on the mailing list for a while as I wrote
to Gary about it and the CC mail I got which included Puthoff,
Macabee and a few others and myself. Jack did want to meet with
me too at one point. He was on my face book page long
back and did look over some stuff re Jim and the time travel
stuff Jim told me about. Jack was seemingly not too
impressed at the time, lol. But things change and no clue
what he thinks these days. An interesting chap with his own
alleged experiences. I do follow his research from time to time.

Anyway Gary has indeed had very interesting connections.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm not giving them that much credit!!!

I meant that the way the information has been presented to to public after the fact.
I'm as clueless as anyone about what happened on those nights but as it became apparent that word was going to get out, things were "managed" in a particular way.

Bit like the worlds biggest ever game of Chinese whispers. Someone's having a good giggle about how many mutations and mutilations the original phrase has gone through.

In this neck of the woods, if you'll pardon the pun, some people can find hundreds of alien races visiting Earth for millennia with bases on the moon, in mountains and under the sea. They're experimenting on us and interbreeding and all sorts!

And they got all that from the phrase "lights in the sky".

Its got to be fun being the one with the lights. Just sitting back and watching these things grow.

a reply to: Tulpa

The same thing happens in all areas of thought not just UFOs.

We live in one giant control system.

Kev

@ The Gut,

I am not sure if this would mean anything to you, I am just reading
over things that I have.
I was told that the men had a force driving them on their re-visit to the UK ,first activated
by natural EM, they, whoever they were, facilitated it?
It was one of many many things told to me. The identity of the person/s tho would
be in question.

a reply to: Defragmentor

John himself touches briefly on having had some outside influence exerted on him in the Phenomenon Radio interview with Chuck de Caro....I have a sneaky suspicion also that de Caro knows something--he seems to be in a bit of a "debunk" mode in that interview, and I bet he has some good contacts.

That would be this interview for anyone who wants to listen (also posted earlier in the thread)



I was not as sure that Chuck really knew what was going on. He seemed to know about Cobra Mist and the Soviet Woodpecker and a few other military projects but was not really up to date on what had gone on in the last decade or so in regards to Rendlesham. There again, let's cut the guy some slack. A few months before the interview he had to undergo surgery after being involved in a shootout with a known criminal who had accosted his wife. He was shot once in the leg and twice in the abdomen : www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Whilst Dr. Vallee's theories are certainly well thought out and interesting I thought he made far too much of the Pentacle Memo.

I am also unsure of his claims that Rendlesham was a fake UFO. Mainly because it happened on, not one night, but three on foreign soil across the Christmas break whilst tensions were running high in Poland. Britain and America have been the best of buddies for a long time now. But would both nations really risk an exercise of this sort off base for three nights?

I am not saying it isn't possible though and I am not putting Dr. Vallee down whatsoever. I am just questioning the timing and the location.

a reply to: mirageman

Isaac Koi brought up a file on Cobra Mist the other day
He put the folder page on his face book page, but did not
go further with it, other than he had been looking into
that in the past etc. I think he was waiting to see
how people reacted to it.

a reply to: mirageman

Well frankly...

I personally believe that some sanctioned form of microwave testing was indeed happening on the base, and Halt knew about it...and was amused that there were a few pretty lights as a side effect.

I don't think that there was a craft...or a crypto plasmid or anything like that present. Maybe an artificially created Earthlight or 3 at most.

I think that Jim and Gary get pretty excitable
(over nothing whatsoever).

So I disagree with JV on this one.

But that's my intuition talking; I have no proof.

Kev

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Isaac has continually strived to put UFO information out there for everyone, for free. So if he finds something he feels interesting then I am sure he will share it.

As far as I remember Cobra Mist was an “over-the-horizon radar” system. It's primary function was to identify inter-continental ballistic missiles from the Soviet Bloc during the Cold War. However it was closed in 1973 because of an annoying 'noise signal' that could not be blocked and was disrupting the system .

Jenny Randles alluded to the fact that Cobra Mist was superseded by another project called "Cold Witness" which did not end until 1983. This is something I haven't been able to confirm and have not looked into recently.

The Foreign Office took over the 'Cobra Mist' site in 1975 and the BBC World Service began broadcasting from there a few years later. What happened to the apparatus and the people on site is probably worth digging into.


Cobra Mist Site]

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

There is another possibility. That night one was not as significant as the other night(s). Maybe night one was a dry run or test before the full on firework display? Night three was the biggie when things really happened.

If so perhaps certain person(s) not involved on night three have attempted to write themselves into the story and exaggerate the significance of their own involvement. Again I have no proof either.

But there are certain parallels with how the Rendlesham mythology is now stacking up 30+ years after the event and how the Roswell mythology was expanding like a freshly inflating weather balloon around 30 years after that happened.

I have looked at this seriously and come to agree this was a staged event that served several purposes for military and intelligence agency's. Vallee beat me to this conclusion in his book Revelations chapter 16.

The area of Suffolk was a natural choice for several reasons but timing it during a time of high world tensions baffles me.

a reply to: DaveBowman

I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid.


quote : 2001 A Space Odyssey

So are you saying there is some credence to this : Click for earlier link in the thread

I sense we are slowly getting closer to what may have happened but are still such a long way away as well.